It is the pre-tribbers who usually suggest that these verses are talking about the rapture (becuase he says one will be taken and the other left), but why would Jesus warn the people not to go back for their stuff if they've already been raptured up into the air anyway?
Well I'm pre-trib myself and I'll tell you the parable of the days of Lot is 110% not the rapture. You have to know Jesus and how He communicates. He throws people off with parable and figurative languages. You're taking what He said in Luke 17:34-36 and think it's the same as Matthew 24:40-41.
The days of Noah in Matthew 24:36-44 is the actual rapture of the church.
The days of Lot from Luke 17:20-37 is not the rapture. The timing of these two events are 3 1/2 years apart. The days of Lot is actually the destruction event during the abomination of desolation when Jerusalem gets nuked.
Let me ask you this question again. Do you know what the days of Noah and the days of Lot are? They are two completely different parables involving different groups of people during a different time.
No, you've misunderstood the information in the video. First off, Luke 17:34-36 isn't the example of Lot's day. The Lot's day example is from verses 17-32, though verses 34-36 carry on with the same theme of going when God says to go. Lot wasn't magically whisked away. He had to listen to God and then act in order to avoid the coming problems.
Trust me, I know what the guy said in your video and completely understood his argument. Sorry but his information is wrong. One has to know the parable of the days of Lot to see his mistake. So is your comment above about Luke 17:34-36. Luke 17:34-36 is part of the parable that starts from verse 20 and ending at verse 37.
Look at the translations below in the link. The title for this parable all starts at verse 20 (not verse 17) and ends at the last verse of the chapter, verse 37.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke 17:20-37&version=NKJV;GNT;NLT;ESV
Are you using the King James translation or some other translations without titles?
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The spirit of the lesson is that one person hears and obeys when God calls (i.e they are taken) while the other either does not hear or ignores what he hears (and is left).
No that's not what it means. Okay, you pretty convinced me by now you don't really have an understanding of the parable. This parable is about the Jewish people during the middle of the tribulation when they see the abomination of desolation, they are suppose to flee to the mountains for their lives before they get nuked. (Matthew 24:15-21).
This is why Jesus compares this event to the days of Lot when Lot had to flee Sodom for his life before the city was bombard with fire from above. This event is not the rapture.
The ones taken and the ones left here is not the same as what's written in Matthew 24:36-44 because the days of Noah is the rapture.
Those taken in the days of Noah are in heaven after the rapture.
Those taken in the days of Lot are dead, their corpses are where the carrion birds are. Their lives where taken. The ones not taken in the days of Lots are those who fled the abomination of desolation and survived.
He also said a couple of women would be grinding in the field, which they'd not be doing at night. Whether the two people are sleeping in their beds, or grinding in a field, or driving down the road or whatever makes no difference to the lesson.
He did not say two women would be grinding in the field. Go back and read Luke 17:35. Then go read Matthew 24:41. It's not what you think it means either. Jesus does this all the time with parables and figurative languages. You have to get to know how He communicates because He deliberately throws people off and reveals His messages only to His disciples, and not just the original 12.
Matthew 13:34
Jesus spoke all these things to the crowds in parables. He did not tell them anything without using a parable.
John 10:6
Jesus spoke to them using this illustration, but they did not understand what He was telling them.
Mark 4:34
He did not say anything to them without a parable. But privately He explained all things to His own disciples.
John 10:24
So the Jews gathered around Him and demanded, "How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly."
John 16:29
His disciples said, "See, now You are speaking plainly and without figures of speech.
And that parable He gave about the fig tree and this generation in Matthew 24:32-35, Oh my goodness, what a classic!
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Yeah, there's actually 7 of these trumpets and they are collectively known as the "7 trumpets of the Great tribulation" by pretty much everyone, though it sounds like you are suggesting these are not trumpets 6 and 2 of the Great Tribulation? If so, then where's the first trumpet and is the 6th trumpet the last trumpet which Paul talked about, or are there more. If I have misunderstood you and you do view these trumpets as the 7 trumpets of the Great Tribulation, then that would necessarily mean that Paul's "last" trumpet is a reference to the rapture, immediately after the other 6 trumpets of the tribulation. Can you please more clearly explain your position?
I hope you understand that I'm not trying to trick you. I'm trying to understand your perspective. You suggested that the "last" trumpet mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15 was not related to the 7 trumpets of the tribulation, which is why I asked you to elaborate on which other series of trumpets it did relate to.
You do realize those 7 trumpets during the tribulation are not the only trumpets right? And the 7th trumpet is also not the last trumpet during the tribulation. You do know this as well right?
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