Futurist Only Prophecy to be fulfilled.

[Luke17:37]

I meant the 144,000 are selected from out of the vast multitude.

Nowhere does the Bible say His living people will be taken to heaven. But many prophesies tell of a great gathering and going to live in all that area given to Abraham, where God will bless His people. Ezekiel 34:11-31
White robes are given to the DEAD martyrs.

No, but many other prophesies describing the Lord's Day of wrath do. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 2:4-5

That is where the Lord's people will live, they will select their own leaders. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11 They will build the new Temple. Ezekiel 43:10-12 They will be His witnesses and His messengers. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 66:19

Read Ezekiel 38:8-12, a devastated Land now inhabited by a people becoming prosperous. It cannot be during the Millennium, as the Lord is not physically present yet. Ezekiel 39:21-29
The attack at the end of the Mill, is another one, a type of the previous G/M attack, but the outcome is different; at the one against Beulah, the dead are buried, at the one against Jesus they are all instantly cremated.

Sorry, typo. Isaiah 28:14-15
It will result in a time of peace for 3.5 years, but the Anti-Christ will break the treaty then and desecrate the Temple. This starts the G.T.

The question of Daniels 1290 days and 1335 days is unanswerable as we are just not told anywhere the meaning of these extra days. I believe Jesus will Return after 1260 days and gather His people. Revelation 12:6 Maybe the 30 days will be the Wedding feast of the Lamb, Revelation 19:5-9, and the extra 75 days for the Temple to be cleansed.

The way you put the quotes in makes it look like your words are mine. And you included none of my words nor an actual response to my arguments.

Your Beulah beliefs before the Return of Christ aren't found in Revelation but you just pick out random verses from the Old Testament to make the claim (passages which, if it talks about peace, I am convinced are about the thousand year reign of Jesus).

The impression I have is that you need to construct a reality in which you can survive the Tribulation. Most people like this are just Pre-Tribulation Rapture believers. You don't believe that false doctrine, but it seems like you don't want to accept the likelihood (if you are alive) of experiencing the tribulation and martyrdom for your faith. Thus, even though peace prior to the return of Christ is not in Revelation, you cling to this hope and you teach it to others.

Maybe you won't live long enough to see the Tribulation. But if you do, don't be surprised if you suffer as a Christian until your life is demanded of you.

Remember Jesus' words about the foolishness of self-preservation when our lives are on the line:

Mark 8:35
35 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it.

Jesus says this in Matthew 10, Matthew 16, Mark 8, Luke 9, Luke 17 (specifically about the Tribulation), and John 12, so it ranks up there in pretty important for us to pay attention to.

This is my last correspondence with you, Keras. Goodbye.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Your Beulah beliefs before the Return of Christ aren't found in Revelation but you just pick out random verses from the Old Testament to make the claim (passages which, if it talks about peace, I am convinced are about the thousand year reign of Jesus).

The impression I have is that you need to construct a reality in which you can survive the Tribulation. Most people like this are just Pre-Tribulation Rapture believers. You don't believe that false doctrine, but it seems like you don't want to accept the likelihood (if you are alive) of experiencing the tribulation and martyrdom for your faith. Thus, even though peace prior to the return of Christ is not in Revelation, you cling to this hope and you teach it to others.

I am not trying to offend here sister, but, if you think Keras believes like this, then you have completely misunderstood him. And there is no need for you to venomize your response to him because he believes it differently from you. May I suggest you take a deep breath, back up off of brother Keras. Read his posts, so you may understand truly his position.

 

[Luke17:37]

I am not trying to offend here sister, but, if you think Keras believes like this, then you have completely misunderstood him. And there is no need for you to venomize your response to him because he believes it differently from you. May I suggest you take a deep breath, back up off of brother Keras. Read his posts, so you may understand truly his position.

Hi Handmaid for Jesus,

I am not angry and I'm not mischaracterizing Keras. If you read his posts, you see that he believes that there will be peace in Israel after an event he believes will happen during the sixth seal. He believes that he can move to Israel and survive the Tribulation. But this isn't in Revelation at all. God gives provision for 144,000 Israelite believers in Jesus to be protected from the plagues (Revelation 7:1-8), but from all I can see, most every other Christian (Gentiles and Jews) coming into the Tribulation can expect to be slain for their testimony and because of the word of God and since they don't take the mark of the beast. I can't know Keras' heart, but I'm just exhorting him not to cling to this expectation of survival.

I wasn't being venomous and I am not flustered at all. We've talked back and forth about these things many times especially in the last week and there's no point in continuing to talk. He isn't open to changing his position.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I wasn't being venomous and I am not flustered at all. We've talked back and forth about these things many times especially in the last week and there's no point in continuing to talk. He isn't open to changing his position.

Sister, Keras does not believe there will be any rapture at all. That is what you need to know about him. He is a solid believer, and if anything, respect that.

 

[Luke17:37]

Sister, Keras does not believe there will be any rapture at all. That is what you need to know about him. He is a solid believer, and if anything, respect that.

I wasn't lying about his position. If you click on his name and go back and read his posts for the last week, you will see. I know Keras doesn't believe in a rapture. He believes in a post-Tribulation Resurrection-Gathering at the return of Christ, which I also believe in. Where we differ (greatly) is that he expects to survive the Tribulation (and that it's possible for Christians besides the 144,000 sealed who are alive coming into the Tribulation to survive) and I don't. I believe the 144,000 plus converts late in the Tribulation (all or mostly Israelites) will be the only Christian survivors. If God doesn't take my life prior to the Tribulation, I expect to be killed during that time.

 

[keras]

I wasn't lying about his position. If you click on his name and go back and read his posts for the last week, you will see. I know Keras doesn't believe in a rapture. He believes in a post-Tribulation Resurrection-Gathering at the return of Christ, which I also believe in. Where we differ (greatly) is that he expects to survive the Tribulation (and that it's possible for Christians besides the 144,000 sealed who are alive coming into the Tribulation to survive) and I don't. I believe the 144,000 plus converts late in the Tribulation (all or mostly Israelites) will be the only Christian survivors. If God doesn't take my life prior to the Tribulation, I expect to be killed during that time.

My only aim and object is to point out what all the prophets say. This is, of course, far more than Revelation, although Rev. does give the sequence of events correctly. With interspersed details, so it does take discernment and the help of all the other Prophetic Words to sort into a coherent and logical sequence of where it all fits.
I do believe in a post tribulation gathering of the Lord's people into all of the holy Land. As most of the OT prophets describe.
But the 'tribulation; referred to in Revelation 7:14 is not the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls: that will take place during the last 3.5 years before the Return, it is the great 'ordeal', REB, of the Sixth Seal; the Lord's Day of wrath, the Day of darkness that Ezekiel 34:11-16 refers to. Revelation puts it correctly: the first five Seals are already open, as Jesus arrived in heaven. Revelation 5:6-7, but not yet the Sixth or Seventh Seals. This is evident from all the wars, famines, plagues and economic disasters since then, plus all the martyrs since Stephen.
Revelation 7:1-17 describes things on earth after the Sixth Seal and the Seventh Seal is a time gap of about a half hour in heaven. This equates to about 20 years earthly time, which is about right for all that must happen before the Return of Jesus.
If you think the scenes in Revelation 7:9-17 must be in heaven, remember that heaven is a spiritual dimension and isn't necessarily 'up there' or in any physical place at all. Elijah saw it, Ezekiel 1:1-28 saw it while standing by the Kebar river. John 'came up here', but what he saw, from chapter 6 to chapter 22, were earthly scenes.

The whole plan of God from His selection of Abraham, is to have a people in His holy Land, being His witnesses and displaying His glory. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 43:10, Matthew 24:14 Will that Plan fail? I don't think so!
So, Luke 17, that gathering of all true believers, from every tribe, nation, race and language, will happen as much as 20 years before the Return of Jesus and it is them who say: Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the Lord.

 

[Riberra]

The whole plan of God from His selection of Abraham, is to have a people in His holy Land, being His witnesses and displaying His glory. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 43:10, Matthew 24:14 Will that Plan fail? I don't think so!
So, Luke 17, that gathering of all true believers, from every tribe, nation, race and language, will happen as much as 20 years before the Return of Jesus and it is them who say: Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the Lord.

Hi Keras,

God's plan will not fail ....but the sequence of God's plan is slightly different than what you expect.

You may find that page interesting:
http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app198.html

 

[keras]

God's plan will not fail ....but the sequence of God's plan is slightly different than what you expect.

I read the plan of God according to the dispensational idea. Seems to have omitted a considerable amount of Bible prophecy. The end times will, therefore be rather different than what they think. Here is proof of how and why the Lord will fulfil His Plan for His righteous Christian people:

Ezekiel 36:1-38 This is what the Lord says about the Land of Israel: Israel, you were trampled down when you were occupied by other nations. I will now speak to the Land, plundered and despised by the surrounding nations.
In My burning zeal, I have spoken out against the rest of the nations, especially Edom, for with glee and malice they seized My Land as spoil. Therefore, because Israel has suffered the scorn of the nations, I swear that those nations will in turn suffer scorn.

But you, Land of Israel, bring forth your branches and yield your fruit for My people, for their homecoming is near. See how I will look on you with favour, you will be fruitful. I shall settle on you many people -the whole 12 tribes of Israel, the towns inhabited and the Land prosperous. My people, Israel will live there again, never again to leave. No longer will they suffer the scorn of foreigners.
When ancient Israel was living in the Land, they defiled it by their idolatry. I sentenced them to exile around the world. But I have concern for My Holy Name, so you Israelites, it is not for your sake that I am acting – I shall show My Holiness through you and all the nations will know that I am the Lord.

I shall take you out of the world, gather you from every land and bring you back to your homeland. I will purify you of everything that defiles you. You will have a new heart and I will put My spirit within you and you will desire to only follow My Laws.

Then you will live in the Land that I had given to your forefathers. You will be My people and I will be your God. Having saved you from all that defiles you, I shall command the Land to be plentiful, trees will bear abundant fruit and the soil will produce heavy crops. Never again will you suffer famine.
You will recall your wicked conduct and evil deeds and will hate yourself for them. Feel the shame and disgrace of your old ways, people of Israel.
The Lord says: when I have cleansed you of all your wrongdoings, you will settle in the Land and the ruined places will be rebuilt. The Land will be ploughed and sown, no longer a wasteland, rain will come in due season.

The nations still left around you will know that it is I, the Lord who has done this.

The Lord says; once again, I will let the Israelites pray to Me for help. They will become many, as flocks of sheep in the Land. As Jerusalem has flocks of sheep at festival time, so will the towns of Israel be filled with flocks of people.
Then they will know that I am their God. Ref: REB verses abridged.

‘I will now speak to the Land, plundered and despised by the surrounding nations’. The Lord will once again take action on the earth, His holy Land; now inhabited mostly by atheists and foreigners are surrounded by nations and entities who hate the State of Israel and want to ‘remove the cancerous growth in their midst’. Micah 4:11-12, Jeremiah 12:14, Psalm 83:1-18

‘In My burning zeal, I have spoken out against the rest of the nations, especially Edom’. This refers to the forthcoming Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, a worldwide judgement of fire, prophesies over 100 times in the Bible. The coronal mass ejection sunstrike, that He will use on that Day, will strike initially in the Middle East, particularly affecting Edom, the Islamic peoples. Zephaniah 2:4-5, Ezekiel 35:1-15 describes in detail who modern day Edom is and what the Lord has planned for them; Ezekiel 35:5-6 They are peoples that have kept up their ancient feud with Israel and they glorify bloodshed and death. Just as todays terrorists do.

Jeremiah 25:32-33 Ruin spreads from nation to nation, a mighty tempest is coming onto all the godless peoples. Those whom the Lord has slain on that Day, will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other, they will be as dung spread over the ground.

‘The homecoming of the whole of Israel is near. The Lord sentenced them to exile around the world for their sins, but now I shall take you out of the world, gather you from every land and settle you in your inheritance’.
The righteous will possess the Land…. Psalms 37:29 True Israelites are all the believers in God. Galatians 3:26-29, Isaiah 56:1-8
The gathering of all the Israelites, people of every race and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Rev 7:9
To all the land promised to the Patriarchs. Micah 7:11-12, Ezekiel 47:13-23
They will enter the land with great joy. Isaiah 66:14, Isaiah 62:1-5, Zechariah 8:4-8
And live in peace and security. Isaiah 66:12-14, Jeremiah 30:19-20

‘I shall show My Holiness through you, you will receive a new heart and My spirit will come upon you’. This proves that all these events happen before the Return of Jesus, when he ‘comes in glory and all the world will see Him’. But until then, the Lord uses His people ‘to be a light to the nations and be His witnesses to the world’. Isaiah 49:8, Isaiah 43:10-12 The Lord will change the minds of His people, they will love Him unfailingly. Isaiah 32:15, Isaiah 59:21, Ezekiel 37:14 & 23

‘I shall command the Land to be plentiful, no longer a wasteland, rain will come in due season. The towns of Israel will be filled with people’. After the burning and earthquakes of this terrible CME; Malachi 4:1-3, Isaiah 66:15-16, Revelation 6:12-17
Ezekiel 38:8; says that His people, who will be gathered from the nations, will be living in a Land recently recovered from ruin. Rain will come and the Land will be fertile. Zechariah 8:12, Psalms 68:9-10


“The nations still left around you’;
Amos 1:1-15 and many other prophesies describe the judgement of fire the Lord will send onto all the attackers of Israel. Not many will survive.

‘They will know that I am their God’. This makes it obvious that all this must take place before the visible Return of Jesus. His people will be living once again in the holy Land, sending out missionaries and preparing for the coming Kingdom. Revelation 14:1-7, Isaiah 66:19 They choose their own leader. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11

Ezekiel 28:24-26 No longer will the Israelites suffer from the scorn of their neighbours. When I gather the Israelites from where they have been dispersed, I shall show My Holiness in them for all the nations to see. After I execute My judgement on those scornful neighbours, My people will live on their own soil, undisturbed and they will build houses and plant vineyards, thus they will know that I am the Lord, their God.

 

[dfw69]

Your belief isn't supported by scripture. Many prophesies tell us, that God's original plan to have a people in all of the holy Land, will come to fruition. There is simply no point in taking His people to heaven and this would mean God's plan and promise's to the Patriarchs, have failed. Ezekiel 20:34-38

I believe gods original plan was always to build a city where Jew and Gentiles will live and be one man under God through Jesus blood

Right at this moment this city is in heaven and after the 1000 years this city comes to earth over the promise land

 

[keras]

I believe gods original plan was always to build a city where Jew and Gentiles will live and be one man under God through Jesus blood

Right at this moment this city is in heaven and after the 1000 years this city comes to earth over the promise land

Rather much yet to happen before that City comes down to earth. Revelation 21:1-4

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Rather much yet to happen before that City comes down to earth. Revelation 21:1-4

! There is soooo much more prophecy too be fulfilled before the New Jerusalem descends to the Earth.

 

[dfw69]

Rather much yet to happen before that City comes down to earth. Revelation 21:1-4

Yep ..

 

[dfw69]

! There is soooo much more prophecy too be fulfilled before the New Jerusalem descends to the Earth.

For sure

 

[Riberra]

I read the plan of God according to the dispensational idea. Seems to have omitted a considerable amount of Bible prophecy. The end times will, therefore be rather different than what they think. Here is proof of how and why the Lord will fulfil His Plan for His righteous Christian people:

The Gathering of the Holy People in the Holy Land will happen at the SECOND ADVENT OF JESUS not after the 6th seal... The 6th seal is about a terrible devastating worldwide earthquake and scary signs in the sky...

G THE SECOND ADVENT. "The first resurrection." The kingdom established. The King enthroned. "The day of the Lord." Matthew 24; 25:31. Luke 19:11-27. Isaiah 2:11-19. Joel 2; etc.
F THE CHOSEN NATION RECALLED AND BLESSED. Romans 11:11-36. Acts 15:16. Isaiah 60, 61, 62. Jeremiah 30, 31. Zechariah 12:13, 14; etc.
E MANKIND DEALT WITH AS A WHOLE. Joel 3:2. Matthew 25:31-46. Acts 15:17. Romans 15:8-12. Revelation 4-19.
D SATAN BOUND AND THE CONSEQUENCES. Revelations 20:1-3.
C THE EARTH RESTORED AND BLESSED. Revelation 20:4-6. Isaiah 35; etc. The Millennium.
B SATAN'S FINAL REBELLION. Revelation 20:7-10. Followed by the second resurrection and the judgment of the "great white throne". The destruction of "all things that offend". Revelation 20:11-15.
A THE NEW HEAVEN AND THE NEW EARTH. The day of God. Revelation 21, 22. 2Peter 3:12, 13. Isaiah 65:17; 66:22.


http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app198.html

 

[keras]

The Gathering of the Holy People in the Holy Land will happen at the SECOND ADVENT OF JESUS not after the 6th seal... QUOTE]

That is your opinion and to support it you must shuffle the given sequence of Revelation. To say the Sixth Seal happens at the Return of Jesus, means it comes after the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls. This isn't logical or even feasible, as seals must be removed before a scroll can be unrolled. Why would Jesus strike the world with fire, earthquakes, etc at His Return? Nothing like that is mentioned in Revelation 19:11-21.
The great gathering of all the Lord's righteous people will happen soon after the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Which is the 'mega thipilis' of Revelation 7:14 and it is them who stand before the Lord in Revelation 7:9. Revelation 14:1 confirms this happens in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 34:11-31 describes this great Exodus out of the nations, soon after the Day of cloud and darkness.

The 6th seal is about a terrible devastating worldwide earthquake and scary signs in the sky...

Yes it is and at the Return there will be an earthquake, but just in Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:4, that also has cosmic signs too, but not the same as for the Sixth Seal,...The moon will shine blood red....Joel 2:31, Revelation 6:12
At the Return; the moon will not give her light.... Matthew 24:29 These are two different events, years apart.
Can't get it to post separately, sorry.

 

[Riberra]

Yes it is and at the Return there will be an earthquake, but just in Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:4, that also has cosmic signs too, but not the same as for the Sixth Seal,...The moon will shine blood red....Joel 2:31, Revelation 6:12
At the Return; the moon will not give her light.... Matthew 24:29 These are two different events, years apart.
Can't get it to post separately, sorry.

There will be no Coming of Jesus at the 6Th Seal....Jesus will Come ONLY after the Tribulation (Revelation 19),(Matthew 24:29-31.)
The angels will assure the transport of the Holy People (elect) to meet Jesus in the air over the Holy Land ....if you need to take a airplane to go in the Holy Land at any time before the Coming of Jesus (which Jesus said will be AFTER the Tribulation) don't go there for staying/

Revelation 18
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

 

[keras]

There will be no Coming of Jesus at the 6Th Seal....Jesus will Come ONLY after the Tribulation

Quite right, Jesus' Return is after the Great Tribulation.
But at the Sixth Seal He instigates an explosion of the sun, that will fulfil all that is prophesied about the Lord's Day of wrath. Prophesies like Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, sending fire and scorching wind upon His enemies....
Psalms 18:7-15...He made darkness His covering....
Habakkuk 3:4 ....rays of lightning flash from His hand, but His might is veiled.
However, soon after that terrible Day, Jesus will be revealed to His own.... 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Revelation 14:1
Years later, He will Return for His Millennium reign, seen by all the world.

 

[Biblewriter]

The belief of Two People Two Promises is only held by those who must maintain that idea in order to have the Church be raptured to heaven, while Israel faces tribulation on earth. It is a false and un-Biblical theory. John 10:16, 1 Corinthians 1:13, Ephesians 4:4-6
The truth is, those who believe in God and have accepted the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, are the true Israel of God, Isaiah 56:1-8 and now after so many generations have passed, it is proven that we all have at least some genetics from ancient Israel. And the Jews themselves are very mixed up genetically, as well.
So what I believe isn't replacement theology, but the fulfilment of God's plan to have a righteous people, who will soon gather and live in all of the holy Land, where they will at last, be as God always intended His people to be. His promises to the Patriarchs will come to fruition and His people will be His witnesses and the light to the nations. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 43:10

The testimony of a future restoration of Israel to both her God and to her ancient homeland is so overwhelming that the only way to escape that conclusion is to say that very, very many prophecies will never be fulfilled.

This conclusion is not based on the concept of a rapture before the great tribulation, but on scripture. A demonstration of this can be seen in a commentary on the book of Ezekiel published in 1723, long before the timing of the rapture ever began to be debated. This commentary was written by William Lowth, who was born in 1660, just 50 years after the first publication of the King James translation of the Bible.

Lowth commented on the future restoration of the Jewish nation to its ancient homeland in many places, but one of the more interesting ones was:


“Ver. 38. And I will purge out from among you the Rebels,] I will separate the Righteous from the Wicked, (See Ver. 37.) in order to destroy the latter, as I did the rebellious Israelites in the Wilderness: Numb. xiv. 29, 30. Compare Ezek.xi. 21. xxxiv. 17,2o.
“Ibid. I will bring them forth out of the Country where they Sojourn, and they shall not enter into the Land of Israel.] See the Note on Ver. 35. The Word Country in the Singular Number may be
equivalent to Countries in the Plural Ver. 41. The Sentence alludes as the former does, to the
Judgment denounced upon the rebellious Israelites, that their Carcasses should fall in the Wilderness, and themselves never enter into the Land of Canaan: which shall be only a Portion for the Righteous among them. This Text among many others favours the Opinion maintained by several Authors both Ancient and Modern, that the Jews upon their Conversion shall return into their own Land. Comp. Chap. xi. 14. xxviii. 25. (See the Note there) xxxiv. 13. xxxvi. 24.”
("Commentary Upon the Prophet Ezekiel," by William Lowth, London, 1723, pp 152-153)

Again, commenting on the second verse after that one, he said on the following page (pg. 154):

“Ver. 40. For in my holy Mountain, in the Mountain of the height of Israel.] In the Christian Church, called God's holy Mountain in allusion to the Temple at Jerusalem, built upon Mount Moriah: See the Notes upon Chap. xvii. 23. and Isa. ii. 2. The Prophet speaks here of the Jews as converted and united to the Christian Church: tho’ some Learned Men are willing to believe that upon their Conversion and Return to their own Countrey, certain Privileges shall belong to the Earthly Jerusalem, as the Metropolis of that Nation. See Isa. lxv. 18, 19. lxvi. 20. Jerem. iii. 17. Joel. iii. 1 7, &c."



These particular statements are of particular interest because they refer to "several Authors, both Ancient and Modern" and "some Learned Men," who had taught this idea previous to himself. Unfortunately, he did not state the identities of these authors to whom he referred.

This is only one of many places where Lowth not only proposed as a possibility, but insisted as a certainty, that the Jews would be restored to their ancient homeland.

One of the plainer examples of this is:

re: Ezekiel 28:

“Ver. 24. And there shall he no more a pricking Briar unto the House of Israel, &c.] My People shall dwell in their Land quietly and securely, when the rest of their ill Neighbours are destroyed: who were a continual Vexation to them, and as to many Thorns in their Sides. Compare Numb. xxxiii. 55. Josh. xxiii. 13. So a Thorn in the Flesh 2 Cor. xii. 7. Signifies a cruel Enemy or Persecutor, as appears by comparing that place with the Context, Ver. 9, 10. The following Verse shews, that this Promise chiefly relates to the General Restauration of the Jews, when all the Enemies of God's Church and Truth are vanquished and subdued, often denoted in the Prophetical Writings, by the Names of Edom, Moab, and other Neighbouring Countries, who upon all Occasions shewed their Spite and ill Will against the Jews. See the Note upon Chap, xxxviii. 17. and upon Isa. xi. 14. and compare Jer. xii. 14. with this place.
“Ver. 25. When 1 shall have gathered the House of Israel from among the People among whom they were scattered, &c.] This, if we follow the literal Sense of the Words, is a plain Prophecy of the general Restoration of the Jews and their Return into their own Land, as will appear, by comparing the Words with the Parallel Texts in this Prophet, viz. Chap. xi. 17. xx. 38, 41. xxxiv. 13. xxxvi. 24. xxxvii. 12, 14, 21, 25. xxxix. 27. and the Rules laid down concerning the Division of the Land Chapter among the Twelve Tribes, Chap. xlvii, and xlviii. do very much favour this Interpretation. Compare Isa. Ixv. 9, 10. Jer. xxx. 18. xxxii. 41. in which Prediction most of the other Prophets agree with him: See the Note on Isa. xi. 11.
“Ibid. And shall be sanctified in them.] See Ver. 22. and Chap, xxxvi. 23."
(pp. 222-223)




You can read the entire book online at: http://www.globalgrey.co.uk/commentary-upon-the-prophet-ezekiel/

 

[Luke17:37]

The testimony of a future restoration of Israel to both her God and to her ancient homeland is so overwhelming that the only way to escape that conclusion is to say that very, very many prophecies will never be fulfilled.

I don't disagree with you, but what Scripture suggests this before Jesus' return?

Isaiah 9:3, Isaiah 26:15 speak of Messiah enlarging the borders of the land. Check out Isaiah 27:12, and compare that with Genesis 15:18. The context of Isaiah 26-27 is Jesus' return and reign. You can see that He provides peace (Isaiah 26:12) and He does warfare against His enemies (Isaiah 26:20 - Isaiah 27:1) and He gathers the surviving Israelites who were stuck in other places (Isaiah 27:13).

Zechariah 13:8-9 talks about 2/3 of the house of Israel dying and 1/3 believing and being refined. Isaiah 25:9 is a song of praise to Messiah (after His return) by the Israelites who believe and trust in His coming before it happens. Hosea 5:14 - Hosea 6:3 suggests Jesus won't come back until there's a decent remnant of Israelites who have repented, trusted, and believe 100% in His coming.

 

[Riberra]

However, soon after that terrible Day, Jesus will be revealed to His own.... 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Revelation 14:1
Years later, He will Return for His Millennium reign, seen by all the world.

The 144,000 sealed of God.

I see your point now...if the requirement to be part of 144,000 sealed of God is literal, then there is about zero chance that we will be part of them.

Revelation 14:4
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

By the way ,that is not clear what will be the role of the 144,000 during the Tribulation outside that they will have God's protection ????

If you have some clues about that point i will greatly appreciate it !