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I do believe that in God's eyes, true believers are deemed to be Israelites. 1 Peter 2:9-10
Each of all the people from every tribe, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10, will be assigned to one of the 12 original tribes. Ezekiel 48:30-34 Revelation 21:12
However, we are told the Lord's people and the holy Land will be given new names. Isaiah 62:4

No, wanting God's people to mean those are made to be Israelites doesn't make it so. Gentiles can be grafted in to be people of God, with true Israel, in Christ. But if you were true Israel you would be Jewish. You should observe the commandments for Jews, from circumcision at the start. You won't then argue against doing as the commandments say.

But Paul really was discussing the issue of the people of Israel generally not coming to Jesus Christ, who came to them, and meant that revelation that the time would come that those who remained of them would all become believers in Christ and be saved in him. They will then be the testimony to the world that they should be, and Yahweh's promises will be fulfilled. It won't take gentiles to fulfill them.
 
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No, wanting God's people to mean those are made to be Israelites doesn't make it so. Gentiles can be grafted in to be people of God, with true Israel, in Christ. But if you were true Israel you would be Jewish. You should observe the commandments for Jews, from circumcision at the start. You won't then argue against doing as the commandments say.
Ephesians 2:11-18 makes it crystal clear that ethnicity counts for nothing.
The main message of the New Testament is that Salvation is open to all who will accept it. Those who do, every born again Christian believer, become the Israelites of God; His overcomers. Galatians 6:15-16, 1 Peter 2:9-10
They retain their ethnic roots, of course; we do not 'become Jews', physically circumcised, or any other such nonsense.
Christian Jews will not be the majority of God's people. As Romans 9:27 says: As for Israel, only a remnant will be saved.
The majority of the new inhabitants of all the holy Land area will be people from every race, nation and language, as shown in Revelation 7:9
 
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Ephesians 2:11-18 makes it crystal clear that ethnicity counts for nothing.
The main message of the New Testament is that Salvation is open to all who will accept it. Those who do, every born again Christian believer, become the Israelites of God; His overcomers. Galatians 6:15-16, 1 Peter 2:9-10
They retain their ethnic roots, of course; we do not 'become Jews', physically circumcised, or any other such nonsense.
Christian Jews will not be the majority of God's people. As Romans 9:27 says: As for Israel, only a remnant will be saved.
The majority of the new inhabitants of all the holy Land area will be people from every race, nation and language, as shown in Revelation 7:9

The Greek text of Romans 9:27 does not contain any word even implying the concept of "only." "a remnant shall be saved" is essentially different from "only a remnant will be saved."

Revelation 7:9 does not take place in the land of Israel, but in heaven.

And none of the other scriptures you have quoted here actually says what you claim they mean.

But many scriptures from the Old Testament clearly state exactly the opposite of the interpretations you are presenting here.

For instance, Ezekiel 36:1-10 explicitly states that absolutely all of "the house of Israel" will again inhabit "the mountains of Israel," along with the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate places, and the cities that are forsaken.

The Hebrew word "KOL" which literally translates as "all" is doubled in verse 10 to stress that the meaning is absolutely all of them.

This is only one of a very large number of scriptures which literally promise a future restoration, not only of the nation of Israel, but also of the two sub-nations of Judah and Ephraim. And they are literally promised, not only restoration to their ancient homeland, but to their God.

And not only the peoples, but the real estate, are explicitly promised restoration. I cited one of several such scriptures about the land, but the city of Jerusalem is also promised restoration.

Your interpretation flatly denies ALL of these explicitly stated promises of God.
 
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Revelation 7:9 does not take place in the land of Israel, but in heaven.
One of your many errors.
Revelation 7:1-3 sets the venue for all that follows, an earthly location for all that chapter, nowhere is heaven mentioned. You just assume that 'vast multitude' is in heaven, as it fits the false rapture theory. They are in Jerusalem, as we see in Revelation 14:1 again.

But I fully agree that the House of Israel will occupy all of the holy Land. True Israel now comprises of every Christian believer, THEY will be the Lord's people in His Land. Isaiah 62:1-5
 
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One of your many errors.
Revelation 7:1-3 sets the venue for all that follows, an earthly location for all that chapter, nowhere is heaven mentioned. You just assume that 'vast multitude' is in heaven, as it fits the false rapture theory. They are in Jerusalem, as we see in Revelation 14:1 again.

But I fully agree that the House of Israel will occupy all of the holy Land. True Israel now comprises of every Christian believer, THEY will be the Lord's people in His Land. Isaiah 62:1-5

The interpretation of Revelation 7 is opinion,so I will not further comment on your view of that chapter.

But the church cannot be rationally interpreted to mean any of the twelve tribes of Israel. Judah and Ephraim, as the leaders of the two divisions of the ancient nation of Israel, are specifically mentioned in many prophecies, and all twelve are speifically mentioned in Ezekiel 48, along with which part of the land each of them will occupy. This totally destroys your interpretation.
 
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The interpretation of Revelation 7 is opinion,so I will not further comment on your view of that chapter.
Not an opinion, but a fact that heaven is never mentioned in Rev 7. That chapter starts with the first 3 verses setting an earthly scene. There is no mention of a change of venue for anything that follows.
That I am correct in stating the 'vast multitude' are on earth, is proved by the many prophesies throughout the Bible, saying how the righteous people of the Lord will gather and live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 37:29, + and Romans 9:26 says that it will be in the same place that the ancient Israelites were told they were no longer God's people; we Christians will be called the sons of the Living God.
 
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But the church cannot be rationally interpreted to mean any of the twelve tribes of Israel. Judah and Ephraim, as the leaders of the two divisions of the ancient nation of Israel, are specifically mentioned in many prophecies, and all twelve are speifically mentioned in Ezekiel 48, along with which part of the land each of them will occupy. This totally destroys your interpretation.
As there is no one alive today who can prove their lineage, it will be the Lord who will assign His people to each of the 12 divisions of the new nation of Beulah. He knows who His people are, Amos 9:9 and He will take some of them to be Levites and rulers, according to their individual characteristics. Isaiah 66:21, Revelation 5:9-10
 
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In my opinion, the modern day Church moved away from End Time Bible Prophecy and left it to the Evangelicals and fringe denominations as a "proselytizing" tool forty years ago, virtually abandoning any serious study of eschatology after that. Television programming, book sales and movies, as well as printed tracts and pamphlets circulated by fringe groups became the mainstay of prophetic study. Of course, all this is "profit" driven and has nothing to do with the Spirit of God. And as they say, "You are what you eat", or a better computer analogy "Garbage in, garbage out".

This whole anti-prophecy atmosphere, deliberately ignores Scripture in which Jesus himself is identified as being the "Spirit of Prophecy",(Revelation 19:10). It ignores the Christian prohibition against "Quenching the gifts of the Spirit", among which is the gift of prophecy, (1 Thess. 5:19). The gift of "prophesying and the interpretation of prophecy" is also one of the greatest gifts according to Scripture, (1 Cor. 4:15). And there is also the Apostolic admonishment not to "despise" prophesying, (1 Thessalonians 5:20).

Now you know what "restrained" the spirit of iniquity and has been removed during the End Times and prepares the way for the coming of the Antichrist, (2 Thessalonians 2:7). The Holy Spirit, (Which reveals to us what is the truth and what is to come, John 16:13), has been totally "swept aside" by popular mainstream (Christian ?!) theology.

You better believe the modern day Church is in "desperate" need of reformation and restoration to the Spirit of God, which is exactly the reason Elijah must come before the Second Advent of Christ, in order to restore what has been "LOST", (Mark 9:12, Malachi 4:5-6). If it were possible for religionist waving certificates of graduation from Bible prophecy schools to accomplish this, Elias and Elijah would not be necessary and they would not be needed, (Revelation 11:3).

So yes, until these two prophets and witnesses arrive, the modern day Church is in some pretty deep trouble, (to put it mildly).


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While I do not agree with everything you said, it certainly is true that the churches have not focused on prophecy.
But it is also true that it was never God's Will for the Saints in any Kingdom to understand the END of their Kingdom.

The Saints living in the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" were never meant to understand prophecies about the END
of their Kingdom. The ministry of Jesus was not understood, in fact much was not understood by the Apostles
until AFTER the Resurrection and Pentecost.

Likewise, the Saints in the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" are not meant to understand the END of their Kingdom.
Daniel 12:8-10 makes it clear that the truth of Daniel's prophecies would remain "sealed" until the period called the
"time-of-the-end" (which is also called the "Season and Time" on earth after Daniel's Fourth Beast - Dan 7:11-12).

From a practical standpoint we can understand how Saints would not be "overcome" and "killed" by the Anti-Christ
(the "Little Horn" or "False Prophet") if they already knew the NAME of that person and they understood the fulfillment
of those prophecies.

The opposite is true. The Bible PROMISES the Saints would not understand Daniel's prophecies until AFTER the end
of the Fourth Kingdom (the Great Tribulation). However, the Bible promises the Saints "shall understand" those
"sealed" mysteries AFTER the Fourth Kingdom/Revelations Beast during the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:11-12]

And the Bible PROMISES the Saints "shall see" the fulfillment of Daniel's Abomination and more than that,
the Bible promises the Saints "shall see ALL these things" (all Great Tribulation "signs") fulfilled before His Return
[Mat 24:15,33]. Think about it... when the Lord Returns at the Seventh Trumpet the Saints are NOT preaching
the Gospel of the Jewish Kingdom and the Saints are NOT preaching the Gospel of the Great Commission and
the Saints are NOT preaching the Gospel of the Great Tribulation... they are preaching "unsealed" mysteries
which are not revealed until AFTER the Fourth Kingdom is destroyed... fulfilling Daniel 12 and Matthew 24.

The Point is... it was always God's Plan for Jewish Saints to not see the END of their Kingdom.
It was always God's Plan for Christian Saints to not see the END of their Kingdom (and start of the Great Tribulation)
It was always God's Plan for the "Wise Virgins" (the Last Saints) to understand the END of these Kingdoms....
during the "Season and Time".

That is why we now know Daniel's Four Kingdoms were:

(1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
(2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"... named in Matthew 22:2
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".... named in Matthew 13
(4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"... named in Matthew 25:1
(5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".... named in Matthew 5, 7, 8 and 19]

And we know know the "Season and Time" or the "time-of-the-end" is the brief period AFTER
the Fourth Kingdom [Dan 7:11-12] and it is shown as the period AFTER the Second Woe is Past...
but BEFORE the Third Woe begins [Rev 11:14] and it is shown as the period BETWEEN Rev 19:20
(when the Revelations Beast is "cast alive" into the "Lake of Fire") and Rev 20:10 (when Satan
JOINS THE BEAST in the 'Lake-of-Fire")

There are other confirming passages for the "Season and Time".... but that is enough to prove the point.

Again... it was always God's Plan for end-time prophecy to remain "sealed" until the specific time
called the "time-of-the-end" or the "Season and Time" on earth AFTER the end of the Fourth Kingdom.


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Not an opinion, but a fact that heaven is never mentioned in Rev 7. That chapter starts with the first 3 verses setting an earthly scene. There is no mention of a change of venue for anything that follows.
That I am correct in stating the 'vast multitude' are on earth, is proved by the many prophesies throughout the Bible, saying how the righteous people of the Lord will gather and live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 37:29, + and Romans 9:26 says that it will be in the same place that the ancient Israelites were told they were no longer God's people; we Christians will be called the sons of the Living God.
The Bible simply does not teach that "the righteous people of the Lord will gather and live in all of the holy Land." It very clearly, repeatedly, and explicitly,says that this will be the lot of Israel,Judah, Ephraim, and the twelve tribes. This is very different from the interpretation you are choosing to impose on these names.

And the Bible just as explicitly says that the believers of the present age have a place prepared for them in the Father's house, which is a very different place.

These are two entirely different promises, set in entirely different places.
 
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As there is no one alive today who can prove their lineage, it will be the Lord who will assign His people to each of the 12 divisions of the new nation of Beulah. He knows who His people are, Amos 9:9 and He will take some of them to be Levites and rulers, according to their individual characteristics. Isaiah 66:21, Revelation 5:9-10

Although no man today can prove his lineage, God knows exactly who the modern descendants of the ancient nation of Israel are, and exactly where they are. And He has promised to bring all of them back to their ancient homeland. And no such promise was ever made to the church.
 
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While I do not agree with everything you said, it certainly is true that the churches have not focused on prophecy.
But it is also true that it was never God's Will for the Saints in any Kingdom to understand the END of their Kingdom.

The Saints living in the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" were never meant to understand prophecies about the END
of their Kingdom. The ministry of Jesus was not understood, in fact much was not understood by the Apostles
until AFTER the Resurrection and Pentecost.

Likewise, the Saints in the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" are not meant to understand the END of their Kingdom.
Daniel 12:8-10 makes it clear that the truth of Daniel's prophecies would remain "sealed" until the period called the
"time-of-the-end" (which is also called the "Season and Time" on earth after Daniel's Fourth Beast - Dan 7:11-12).

From a practical standpoint we can understand how Saints would not be "overcome" and "killed" by the Anti-Christ
(the "Little Horn" or "False Prophet") if they already knew the NAME of that person and they understood the fulfillment
of those prophecies.

The opposite is true. The Bible PROMISES the Saints would not understand Daniel's prophecies until AFTER the end
of the Fourth Kingdom (the Great Tribulation). However, the Bible promises the Saints "shall understand" those
"sealed" mysteries AFTER the Fourth Kingdom/Revelations Beast during the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:11-12]

And the Bible PROMISES the Saints "shall see" the fulfillment of Daniel's Abomination and more than that,
the Bible promises the Saints "shall see ALL these things" (all Great Tribulation "signs") fulfilled before His Return
[Mat 24:15,33]. Think about it... when the Lord Returns at the Seventh Trumpet the Saints are NOT preaching
the Gospel of the Jewish Kingdom and the Saints are NOT preaching the Gospel of the Great Commission and
the Saints are NOT preaching the Gospel of the Great Tribulation... they are preaching "unsealed" mysteries
which are not revealed until AFTER the Fourth Kingdom is destroyed... fulfilling Daniel 12 and Matthew 24.

The Point is... it was always God's Plan for Jewish Saints to not see the END of their Kingdom.
It was always God's Plan for Christian Saints to not see the END of their Kingdom (and start of the Great Tribulation)
It was always God's Plan for the "Wise Virgins" (the Last Saints) to understand the END of these Kingdoms....
during the "Season and Time".

That is why we now know Daniel's Four Kingdoms were:

(1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
(2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"... named in Matthew 22:2
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".... named in Matthew 13
(4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"... named in Matthew 25:1
(5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".... named in Matthew 5, 7, 8 and 19]

And we know know the "Season and Time" or the "time-of-the-end" is the brief period AFTER
the Fourth Kingdom [Dan 7:11-12] and it is shown as the period AFTER the Second Woe is Past...
but BEFORE the Third Woe begins [Rev 11:14] and it is shown as the period BETWEEN Rev 19:20
(when the Revelations Beast is "cast alive" into the "Lake of Fire") and Rev 20:10 (when Satan
JOINS THE BEAST in the 'Lake-of-Fire")

There are other confirming passages for the "Season and Time".... but that is enough to prove the point.

Again... it was always God's Plan for end-time prophecy to remain "sealed" until the specific time
called the "time-of-the-end" or the "Season and Time" on earth AFTER the end of the Fourth Kingdom.


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While Daniel 12:9ondeed said the words recorded there were "closed up and sealed until the time of the end," 1 John 2:18 clearly stated that the last time had already begun by the time John was living. And in the sixth through the eighth chapters of revelation seven seals were opened. When each of these seals was opened, there followed a vision of the destruction of the present world order. Then John was told to eat (study) the little book, and all the symbols from the rest of the Revelation are straight out of Daniel. Then, at the end of the Revelation John was explicitly told NOT to seal the writings of the book, "for the time is at hand." (Revelation 22:10)

The Lord explicitly stated that the purpose of the Revelation was To show His servants things which must shortly come to pass. Again, 1 Timithy 5:4 says that we are not in darkness, that these things shouls overtake us as a thief. So there is no scriptural basis for imagining that Christians of today cannot understand Bible prophecy.
 
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The Bible simply does not teach that "the righteous people of the Lord will gather and live in all of the holy Land." It very clearly, repeatedly, and explicitly,says that this will be the lot of Israel,Judah, Ephraim, and the twelve tribes. This is very different from the interpretation you are choosing to impose on these names.

And the Bible just as explicitly says that the believers of the present age have a place prepared for them in the Father's house, which is a very different place.

These are two entirely different promises, set in entirely different places.


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Are you saying there are differences in the "Body of Christ"?
What specific verses/passages are you talking about?

Are you saying the Saints in the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" [named in Matthew 22:2]
are some how segregated in the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"?

Does that mean that Saints from the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [named in Matthew 25:1]
are some how segregated in the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" [named in Matthew 5, 6 ,8 and 19]

Do you think each "generation" of Saints, including the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Matthew 13]
are segregated?

I have never heard such a doctrine....
can you cite specific verses?
Does that mean Saints from the (2nd
 
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I find it very shortcoming of saints just recognizing the necessary prophecy as previously future truths of prophecy where future prophecy appears outstanding. When I listen to the prophetic expectation of the saints i find prophetic lack among saints. Many concentrate on the rapture and make another prophecy useless as if the apocalypse has nothing more important for Christians. There are still outstanding prophecies that prolongs the time of prophecy.:clap:
Of course there is one major prophecy, future and imminent, to be fulfilled. The return of Christ. I understand that Christians get anxious about this but the truth is we have to wait. I know that Christ will return and raise his church, some will be alive and most of them are going to be diseased, but I'm more sure of that then anything that happened today. We simply don't know when God is going to start opening seals, sounding trumpets and pouring out vials of wrath. One thing is sure, when he does it will be unmistakable. All the believers that went before us waited in anxious expectation of the soon return of Christ and they are still waiting, we may well join them, it makes no difference.

Either we know Christ or we know nothing and I don't really care what is on God's calendar regarding final judgment. That's his call, I only want to know right here and right now when I pray God have mercy on me a sinner God will meet me there. For me, that's enough.

Grace and peace,
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The Bible simply does not teach that "the righteous people of the Lord will gather and live in all of the holy Land." It very clearly, repeatedly, and explicitly,says that this will be the lot of Israel,Judah, Ephraim, and the twelve tribes. This is very different from the interpretation you are choosing to impose on these names.
The New Testament, clearly, repeatedly and explicitly states that there is neither Jew nor Greek, for all of the Lord's people, since Jesus came: John 3:16, Galatians 3:28
So all those unfulfilled prophesies that you like to assign to ethnic groups, now apply to every true born again Christian believer, Ephesians 3:6, Romans 8:16-17, from every race. nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10, +
Any belief otherwise, is based on the false teaching of a rapture removal of the Church. Not going to happen!
 
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The New Testament, clearly, repeatedly and explicitly states that there is neither Jew nor Greek, for all of the Lord's people, since Jesus came: John 3:16
So all those unfulfilled prophesies that you like to assign to ethnic groups, now apply to every true born again Christian believer, from every race. nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10, +
Any belief otherwise, is based on the false teaching of a rapture removal of the Church. Not going to happen!
I don't think it will happen either, but I'm in favor of it. Right now is good for me.
 
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I don't think it will happen either, but I'm in favor of it. Right now is good for me
A rapture removal to heaven of any living person will not happen. Nowhere does the Bible teach such a thing. Jesus plainly said it was impossible. John 3:13

But shouldn't we Christians know what God actually does plan for His people? We should not be in the dark, we are children of the Light, that Day will not come upon you like a thief.... 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5
That Day, the one that will come as a thief, shocking and unexpected. is prophesied and described over 100 times in the Bible. It will not be Jesus' Return in glory, but His Day of wrath, when He judges and punishes the nations. Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-16, Luke 21:34-35
What the Lord will use to literally fulfil all the graphic effects of that terrible Day, is plainly told to us in Isaiah 30:26 and confirmed by Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3, and Psalms 11:4-6, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, Revelation 14:17-20
 
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The New Testament, clearly, repeatedly and explicitly states that there is neither Jew nor Greek, for all of the Lord's people, since Jesus came: John 3:16, Galatians 3:28
So all those unfulfilled prophesies that you like to assign to ethnic groups, now apply to every true born again Christian believer, Ephesians 3:6, Romans 8:16-17, from every race. nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10, +
Any belief otherwise, is based on the false teaching of a rapture removal of the Church. Not going to happen!
In so applying Galatians 3:28, you are lifting it out of its context, which is "in Christ," verse 27.

But this is only the beginning of your error. your problem is that you are using your interpretation of the meanings of a relatively small number of scriptures, which never actually say what you imagine they mean, as an excuse to deny the explicit statements of afar larger number of other scriptures.

If God could legitimately tell Israel, Judah, Ephraim, and the twelve tribes, that the promises He made to them actually meant a different people in a different place, he could just as legitimately tell us that the promises He made to us were actually meant for a different people. THus, your doctrine destroys the very foundations of our fauth.
 
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A rapture removal to heaven of any living person will not happen. Nowhere does the Bible teach such a thing. Jesus plainly said it was impossible. John 3:13

But shouldn't we Christians know what God actually does plan for His people? We should not be in the dark, we are children of the Light, that Day will not come upon you like a thief.... 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5
That Day, the one that will come as a thief, shocking and unexpected. is prophesied and described over 100 times in the Bible. It will not be Jesus' Return in glory, but His Day of wrath, when He judges and punishes the nations. Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-16, Luke 21:34-35
What the Lord will use to literally fulfil all the graphic effects of that terrible Day, is plainly told to us in Isaiah 30:26 and confirmed by Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3, and Psalms 11:4-6, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, Revelation 14:17-20

While the timing of the rapture is a legitimate subject for debate, the fact of its happening is not. This is a blatant, up front, denial of explicitly stated scripture. And it totally discredits you as a teacher of scripture.
 
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Of course there is one major prophecy, future and imminent, to be fulfilled. The return of Christ. I understand that Christians get anxious about this but the truth is we have to wait. I know that Christ will return and raise his church, some will be alive and most of them are going to be diseased, but I'm more sure of that then anything that happened today. We simply don't know when God is going to start opening seals, sounding trumpets and pouring out vials of wrath. One thing is sure, when he does it will be unmistakable. All the believers that went before us waited in anxious expectation of the soon return of Christ and they are still waiting, we may well join them, it makes no difference.

Either we know Christ or we know nothing and I don't really care what is on God's calendar regarding final judgment. That's his call, I only want to know right here and right now when I pray God have mercy on me a sinner God will meet me there. For me, that's enough.

Grace and peace,
Mark
What you are actually saying is that you don't really care about approximately a third of everything God has bothered to tell us. For the New Testament repeatedly refers to the Psalms as prophecy, and when we include the Psalms, the prophetic portions of the word of God bulk to about a third of its entire volume.

But I agree with you that we do not know when God's prophetic calendar will start.
 
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Are you saying there are differences in the "Body of Christ"?
What specific verses/passages are you talking about?

Are you saying the Saints in the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" [named in Matthew 22:2]
are some how segregated in the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"?

Does that mean that Saints from the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [named in Matthew 25:1]
are some how segregated in the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" [named in Matthew 5, 6 ,8 and 19]

Do you think each "generation" of Saints, including the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Matthew 13]
are segregated?

I have never heard such a doctrine....
can you cite specific verses?
Does that mean Saints from the (2nd
And I sincerely doubt that anyone here has ever heard of doctrine like you are advancing here. But that is beside the point. You are making divisions in scriptural doctrine that re interpretations at best, and like others here, are using those interpretations as an excuse to deny a very large number pf explicitly stated promises which God made to Israel, to Judah, to Ephraim, and to the twelve tribes of Israel, as well as to the physical land of Israel and to the physical city of Jerusalem.
 
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