Ten Commandments still valid so says Bible and pro-Sunday Scholars

[Sophrosyne]

I would assume its because they have not embraced the full reality of Galatians 5, and other scriptures. This is true of RC even more so, i believe.

Most legalists don't really take Paul seriously, they use parts of his writings that support their thinking but on average reject him overall. The SDA folks don't have any love for the RCC they attack them at times viciously so making any connection between the two as an argument will either irritate them or be ignored/rejected.

 

[Bob S]

I dont believe they mean to be tricky, its just that they havent got sick of all the discord yet, and are still not seeing properly.

They have been challenged from the get go, 150 some years, and yet use the same "proof" texts to persuade the unsuspecting to join their ranks. Their interpretation of those very verses are what convinced me to accept their message. They might have been just not seeing it properly then, but there is no excuse now. As long as it works they will continue. The bigger the ranks the bigger the hierarchy. If you would dig into the history your eyes would dilate.

 

[Sophrosyne]

It wont stop RC from derailing many peoples faith either.

I think you have to be content with giving people information when it comes to these areas most people will not be persuaded by arguments at best you can force them to get more information and often online they only go to sites that support their thinking instead of exploring the whole of the topic at hand.

 

[Extraneous]

Most legalists don't really take Paul seriously, they use parts of his writings that support their thinking but on average reject him overall. The SDA folks don't have any love for the RCC they attack them at times viciously so making any connection between the two as an argument will either irritate them or be ignored/rejected.

RCC has no love for your doctrine either. They may seem like they do, but in reality they are just more crafty, they know that if they allow you to fight their battle against SDA for them, then they themselves don't need to. They also know that if they enter the debate that their own doctrine will be challenged. They think they are the head of the whole church, they need not explain themselves to anyone. In reality they detest what you say about freedom.

 

[Extraneous]

I think you have to be content with giving people information when it comes to these areas most people will not be persuaded by arguments at best you can force them to get more information and often online they only go to sites that support their thinking instead of exploring the whole of the topic at hand.

I guess im blessed then. My hardship in life has caused me to have no other avenue besides CF. Its very hard though, because its full of discord everywhere, in theology, politics, religion.

 

[Sophrosyne]

RC is the one who is tricky. They sit back in silence and allow their doctrine to go unchecked.

I take it you have issues with the RCC personally.

 

[Extraneous]

I take it you have issues with the RCC personally.

I have issues with anyone who apposes simplicity and loves discord.

 

[Bob S]

Some of my truest friends are Catholic and SDA. Even though I have written that those trying to persuade others into their ranks use out of context proof texts most have been taught excellent moral values and are great citizens. Someone someplace is doing something right. I cherish all my friends and family members still in bondage.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I guess im blessed then. My hardship in life has caused me to have no other avenue besides CF. Its very hard though, because its full of discord everywhere, in theology, politics, religion.

I try to ignore the strife, and focus on hope. People out there still need Jesus, and legalism tries to put a fog in front of him that makes one focus on themselves and their own works instead of his glory.

 

[Extraneous]

Some of my truest friends are Catholic and SDA. Even though I have written that those trying to persuade others into their ranks use out of context proof texts most have been taught excellent moral values and are great citizens. Someone someplace is doing something right. I cherish all my friends and family members still in bondage.

Its not personal. I try not to let things get personal. That only causes more strife and more discord, more ungodliness. It also causes us to stumble in our walk in the spirit. However, that walk is about simplicity in Christ. That's what i preach. I preach Galatians 5 and the parable of the sower. I cant let things get me down, although they try. I just speak what i hear and go with the flow, best i can.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I have issues with anyone who apposes simplicity and loves discord.

I have issues with false doctrine, I find opposing people can lead you to getting too personal in debate. I often try to use logic instead of endless hammering of scripture because those who want to believe something and have been shown scripture ignore it but a logical argument can sometimes make them at least stop for a minute and think.
For the most part those of us who are attacking these false beliefs are doing for the hidden audience, we already know it is a fruitless endeavor to try and convince hard core followers of an error ridden organization to reject that organization

 

[Extraneous]

I try to ignore the strife, and focus on hope. People out there still need Jesus, and legalism tries to put a fog in front of him that makes one focus on themselves and their own works instead of his glory.

I agree.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Its not personal. I try not to let things get personal. That only causes more strife and more discord, more ungodliness. It also causes us to stumble in our walk in the spirit. However, that walk is about simplicity in Christ. That's what i preach. I preach Galatians 5 and the parable of the sower. I cant let things get me down, although they try. I just speak what i hear and go with the flow, best i can.

Just remember how Jesus sometimes handled the Pharisees, he didn't go on and on with them he made his point and moved on.
Most likely any point you make is for the hidden audience which is at times nonexistent but perhaps through a search engine someone will stumble upon one of these threads and read them and see the light.

 

[Bob S]

Its not personal. I try not to let things get personal. That only causes more strife and more discord, more ungodliness. It also causes us to stumble in our walk in the spirit. However, that walk is about simplicity in Christ. That's what i preach. I preach Galatians 5 and the parable of the sower. I cant let things get me down, although they try. I just speak what i hear and go with the flow, best i can.

Great testimony my friend. May the Lord continue to bless you as you present the true Gospel to all you are able. Those are works of goodness James preached.

 

[Extraneous]

I have issues with false doctrine, I find opposing people can lead you to getting too personal in debate. I often try to use logic instead of endless hammering of scripture because those who want to believe something and have been shown scripture ignore it but a logical argument can sometimes make them at least stop for a minute and think.
For the most part those of us who are attacking these false beliefs are doing for the hidden audience, we already know it is a fruitless endeavor to try and convince hard core followers of an error ridden organization to reject that organization

Its a burdensome task i suppose. It takes constant vigilance. The secular aspect of CF makes it all the more challenging.

Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Anyway back on topic. I think most of us can agree that the 10 commandments are valid and binding, but ONLY on those who WISH to be bound by them and to probably bind yourself to them one must become a legal part of Israel, which requires circumcision (becoming a Jew).

 

[Extraneous]

Just remember how Jesus sometimes handled the Pharisees, he didn't go on and on with them he made his point and moved on.
Most likely any point you make is for the hidden audience which is at times nonexistent but perhaps through a search engine someone will stumble upon one of these threads and read them and see the light.

Yes, i consider that from time to time. I agree.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Its a burdensome task i suppose. It takes constant vigilance. The secular aspect of CF makes it all the more challenging.

Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

Secular? All but one or two theology type areas are Christian only. There is a theology area in Christianity and World Religions and Controversial theology that allow some "bending of the "Christian only" rules but non Christians are not allowed to post in the other theology areas.

 

[Extraneous]

Secular? All but one or two theology type areas are Christian only. There is a theology area in Christianity and World Religions and Controversial theology that allow some "bending of the "Christian only" rules but non Christians are not allowed to post in the other theology areas.

I know that, but its still here. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. Secularism spreads and gets in the whole batch of dough. Secularism is good in that worldliness and holiness are separate, but they are not separate here. Anyway, i'll bow out brother, i need to get things done today. Thanks for the discussion. Have a good day Bob R, Bob S, Sophrosyne, bugkiller, ECR, and everyone else.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

BobS, it seems that you have a particular ax to grind with the SDA as you have testified here that you were once an adherent to Adventist doctrine.... to pick up on what Extraneous was saying, you don't seem to mind the Messianic's espousing Sabbath worship but are venomous against Adventists same belief. It's been my experience that those that come out of any denomination that they determine to be in error, are the most ardent critics of that former belief... just my experience.

When you say that we are teaching error and trying to proselytize others to do the same, it is because we are one of the few denom's that believe that the Decalogue as written is still in effect... this is not Biblical trickery as you call it but simply how we see it. I challenge you to show a post where an SDA said that Sabbath observance is salvational. as a former member, you know that we believe that it is not a test of salvation until the sunday law comes into effect, so saying we are bullying others with the spectre of loss of salvation is disingenuous at best.

Almost every premise against what we believe starts by removing the 4th Commandment as if God made a mistake in putting it in the decalogue and then proceed to show how obeying this one Commandment is akin to keeping the mosaic law... talk about Biblical acrobatics!

The message I would like to be giving on here is the 3 angels message but I have been shut down on numerous occasions for doing that. Even a reasoned discussion of the Godhead is disallowed even thought the case against the RC teaching is Biblically sound.... bizarre times we live in. At least it won't be long now till Christ comes and this whole 6000 year old mess can be done away with once an for all.