7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[Aman777]

I don't subscribe to that view one little bit.

John
NZ

Neither can you refute it Scripturally. Want to try? Can you tell us when God rested from ALL of His creating? Gen 2:2-3 Or is it future to our time?

 

[Johnnz]

I don't accept the underlying exegetical basis you come from for the creation account. Thus we will differ significantly on many matters.

John
NZ

 

[Aman777]

I don't accept the underlying exegetical basis you come from for the creation account. Thus we will differ significantly on many matters.

John
NZ

IF God rested in the past, it would be impossible for anyone to be created in God's Image, or in Christ Spiritually today, since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to create a New creature in Christ. Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16 Amen?

 

[-57]

It cannot be proven from Genesis 1 IMO that the earth was created in a literal 6, 24 hour days.

A careful study has changed many minds from a young earth to an old earth belief.

When one reads the text in Genesis 1....in fact when one reads the text of anything....you look at the surrounding text and ideas to interpret the text. Basic reading 101.

In Genesis the days are numbered. In the text the days are bracketed by evening and morning....The common sense reading of the text most certainly indicates 24 hour long days.

 

[-57]

The days are a literary device to convey what the author was intending to convey, the ordering of the earth by its Creator for it to sustain human life. There are 3 days of creation of each sphere, followed by 3 days of filling - day 1 with day 4, day 2 with day 5, day three with day six. It's about God ordering our world for our life on it, as His regents and priests in His temple. Issues of how long it took were not in mind. Genesis 2 is about relationships, not a varied account of what we see in Genesis 1.

For a young earth position virtually all of science including its methodology must be brushed aside. I defy any Christian using their computer or smart phone to participate here to argue consistently against science as practised.

John
NZ

I think it's rather ironic how some christians bounce the 24 hour days off of "old earth science" and demand that science says the days are ages...then turn around and say Jesus rose from the dead on day 3 despite the fact that their science says if you're dead you stay dead on day 3.

 

[-57]

The days are a literary device to convey what the author was intending to convey, the ordering of the earth by its Creator for it to sustain human life. There are 3 days of creation of each sphere, followed by 3 days of filling - day 1 with day 4, day 2 with day 5, day three with day six. It's about God ordering our world for our life on it, as His regents and priests in His temple. Issues of how long it took were not in mind. Genesis 2 is about relationships, not a varied account of what we see in Genesis 1.

For a young earth position virtually all of science including its methodology must be brushed aside. I defy any Christian using their computer or smart phone to participate here to argue consistently against science as practised.

John
NZ

I think it's rather ironic how some christians bounce the 24 hour days off of "old earth science" and demand that science says the days are ages...then turn around and say Jesus rose from the dead on day 3 despite the fact that their science says if you're dead you stay dead on day 3.

 

[Foghorn]

When one reads the text in Genesis 1....in fact when one reads the text of anything....you look at the surrounding text and ideas to interpret the text. Basic reading 101.

In Genesis the days are numbered. In the text the days are bracketed by evening and morning....The common sense reading of the text most certainly indicates 24 hour long days.

I disagree, I think anyone can and many do, read that into it.

What happen to day 7, evening and morning? Seems to me God is still resting. Scripture teaches we can enter this rest now. I believe day seven ends after this rest and the start of day 8 is when God creates a new heaven and a new earth.

 

[Foghorn]

I think it's rather ironic how some christians bounce the 24 hour days off of "old earth science" and demand that science says the days are ages...then turn around and say Jesus rose from the dead on day 3 despite the fact that their science says if you're dead you stay dead on day 3.

How about Genesis 2, This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven.

Seems like a period of time to me.

 

[-57]

I disagree, I think anyone can and many do, read that into it.

What happen to day 7, evening and morning? Seems to me God is still resting. Scripture teaches we can enter this rest now. I believe day seven ends after this rest and the start of day 8 is when God creates a new heaven and a new earth.

If that be the case then Genesis would say...and there was evening, day 7. Genesis would have left out morning because according to your belief morning hasn't arrived as of yet.

 

[Aman777]

When one reads the text in Genesis 1....in fact when one reads the text of anything....you look at the surrounding text and ideas to interpret the text. Basic reading 101.

In Genesis the days are numbered. In the text the days are bracketed by evening and morning....The common sense reading of the text most certainly indicates 24 hour long days.

The problem is that a "common sense reading" of Scripture is foolishness since God hid His Truth from ancient men. Only the people of the last days AFTER knowledge has increased can possibly understand Genesis. That is because God hid His Truth in the future discoveries of mankind and instructed Daniel HOW to do it:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[Foghorn]

If that be the case then Genesis would say...and there was evening, day 7. Genesis would have left out morning because according to your belief morning hasn't arrived as of yet.

Day 7 started and God rested. Clearly obvious. There is just no way around it, and according to scripture it has not ended yet.

 

[Aman777]

I think it's rather ironic how some christians bounce the 24 hour days off of "old earth science" and demand that science says the days are ages...then turn around and say Jesus rose from the dead on day 3 despite the fact that their science says if you're dead you stay dead on day 3.

It's because Jesus was a man of flesh and thus subject to the days of our Earth. God is an invisible Spirit and is NOT subject to the movement of heavenly bodies within our Universe since He is physically in the 3rd Heaven.

 

[Foghorn]

The problem is that a "common sense reading" of Scripture is foolishness since God hid His Truth from ancient men. Only the people of the last days AFTER knowledge has increased can possibly understand Genesis. That is because God hid His Truth in the future discoveries of mankind and instructed Daniel HOW to do it:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Well number one scripture is concerned with the Triune and His creation, therefore when one tries to look at the time as literal 6, 24 hour periods, it don't fit. How could we have measured time up until the 4th day when God speaks of the sun and putting it in it's place? Scripture always implies a longer period then 24 hours, and no support for a literal 24 hour 6 day creation.

 

[Aman777]

How about Genesis 2, This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven.

Seems like a period of time to me.

Actually, it is referring to Adam's Earth which was made on Day 3. Gen 1:10 On the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) made Adam's Earth, He also made other HeavenS (Plural). He made the present Heaven AND the 3rd Heaven of ll Cor 12:2 and Rev 21:1. IOW, we live in a Multi-verse which is currently being discovered. Amen?

 

[-57]

How about Genesis 2, This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven.

Seems like a period of time to me.

You do know "day" has several nuances? Even in todays english "day" has several meanings. That's why we have to look at the way the text presents is.

For example I can say....back in the day....referring to a previous time period of several days.

When Genesis says "in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." Genesis is refering to the 24 hour long days of creation.

 

[Foghorn]

Actually, it is referring to Adam's Earth which was made on Day 3. Gen 1:10 On the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) made Adam's Earth, He also made other HeavenS (Plural). He made the present Heaven AND the 3rd Heaven of ll Cor 12:2 and Rev 21:1. IOW, we live in a Multi-verse which is currently being discovered. Amen?

Yes, therefore I do not think anyone who reads the creation account without preconceived ideas will come to the conclusion that it was a 6 day 24 hour period.

 

[Aman777]

If that be the case then Genesis would say...and there was evening, day 7. Genesis would have left out morning because according to your belief morning hasn't arrived as of yet.

We live today at Gen 1:27 on the present 6th Day since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His image which is in Christ, Spiritually. We will not advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until Jesus returns to this Planet. The 7th Day is future.

 

[-57]

Day 7 started and God rested. Clearly obvious. There is just no way around it, and according to scripture it has not ended yet.

Then why doesn't it say...evening of day 7? This is what your theory needs to make it work.

 

[Foghorn]

You do know "day" has several nuances? Even in todays english "day" has several meanings. That's why we have to look at the way the text presents is.

For example I can say....back in the day....referring to a previous time period of several days.

When Genesis says "in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." Genesis is refering to the 24 hour long days of creation.

Yes I do.

Do you know the Hebrew word yom?

 

[Foghorn]

Then why doesn't it say...evening of day 7? This is what your theory needs to make it work.

Because the 7th day has not ended yet.