Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

[shturt678]

Anyone else want to contribute any allusions found in Revelation to the OT? Thanks




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No correction nor refute intended in the least.

All contributed 'good inferences' and thank you ... just putting in my two-bits: All that Revelation borrows, I call appropriations ... similar to 'allusions,' is to be used in an independent way; we do not find even a single O.T. quotation, but only, let me use 'adaptations' here, and nothing more. Sadly this important point is not very noted in today's time.

Thus O.T. passages do not govern the interpretation of passages in Revelation. For example, apply this rule to Rev.4:6b and one can narrow down the over 21 efforts at solution to just a few interpretations in order to narrow down to the one true interpretation by the Holy Spirit.

Hope this helps and open for correction of course.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LLOJ, I am surprised that you, the unofficial thread resurrector missed this!

Help Find OT Allusions In Revelation!

Ahhh, thks for that link! You appear to be interested in this topic also

Originally Posted by Hedgehog
scorpions:

Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

I believe this was fulfilled under the old covenant.

I believe it was the Jews who Jesus said their father was the devil... the ones who had no faith, but trusted in themselves and outside works for righteousness. The ones who had no love.

Here(directly below) I believe Jesus is symbolically telling about TRUTH that will tread on these so called scorpions.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

I believe this(below) is all symbolic, God telling them people of that nature, calling what they preach the right "doctrine" and that it is of God will be among them.


1Ki 12:11 And now whereas my father did lade you with a heavy yoke, I will add to your yoke: my father hath chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

1Ki 12:14 And spake to them after the counsel of the young men, saying, My father made your yoke heavy, and I will add to your yoke: my father [also] chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

2Ch 10:11 For whereas my father put a heavy yoke upon you, I will put more to your yoke: my father chastised you with whips, but I [will chastise you] with scorpions.

2Ch 10:14 And answered them after the advice of the young men, saying, My father made your yoke heavy, but I will add thereto: my father chastised you with whips, but I [will chastise you] with scorpions.

I mean , look.... its repeaed FOUR times.

and Ezekial AGAIN:
Eze 2:6 And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns [be] with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they [be] a rebellious house.

symbolic. God is warning them of what your average Jew was like.

Good post. Thanks




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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Anyone else want to contribute any allusions found in Revelation to the OT? Thanks​

No correction nor refute intended in the least.

All contributed 'good inferences' and thank you ... just putting in my two-bits:
All that Revelation borrows, I call appropriations ... similar to 'allusions,' is to be used in an independent way; we do not find even a single O.T. quotation, but only, let me use 'adaptations' here, and nothing more.
Sadly this important point is not very noted in today's time.

I suppose that is one way of looking at it.
Thanks for responding



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[LittleLambofJesus]

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[billypayton]

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[7sForDays]

In Revelation, God uses the character of Babylon from the OT to describe this "harlot" babylon found in Revelation.

But the added context of the original Babylon shows us more detail into why/how Babylon is destroyed in Revelation.

Jeremiah 50-51 is a great read on the subject.

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Jer 50:14 Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD.
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Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Jer 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

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Rev_14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Rev_18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Isa_21:9 And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.

Jer 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.

Jer 51:9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies.

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Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Jer 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.

 

[7sForDays]

Here is some more bonus Revelation awesomeness to ponder on..

Rev_10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

Rev_10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Eze 3:1 The voice said to me, "Son of man, eat what I am giving you—eat this scroll! Then go and give its message to the people of Israel."

Eze 3:2 So I opened my mouth, and He fed me the scroll.

Eze 3:3 "Fill your stomach with this," He said. And when I ate it, it tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth.


(Scroll that was eaten)

Eze 2:10 which He unrolled. And I saw that both sides were covered with funeral songs, words of sorrow, and pronouncements of doom.

Eze 3:4 Then He said, "Son of man, go to the people of Israel and give them My messages.

Rev 10:11 Then I was told, "You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages, and people."

Rev_17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In Revelation, God uses the character of Babylon from the OT to describe this "harlot" babylon found in Revelation.

But the added context of the original Babylon shows us more detail into why/how Babylon is destroyed in Revelation.

Jeremiah 50-51 is a great read on the subject.

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Jer 50:14 Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD.
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Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Jer 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

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Rev_14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Rev_18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Isa_21:9 And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.

Jer 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.

Jer 51:9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies.

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Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Jer 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.

Great post and verses! Thanks


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[LittleLambofJesus]

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Daniel's time times half a time:

Daniel 12:7
And I hear the one clothed in linen, who [is] upon the waters of the flood,
and he doth lift up his right hand and his left unto the heavens,
and sweareth by Him who is living to the age

Revelation 10:
5 And the messenger whom I saw standing upon the sea, and upon the land,
did lift up his hand to the heaven, 6 and did swear in Him who doth live to the ages of the ages,
Who did create the heaven and the things in it, and the land and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it--that time shall not be yet, [Daniel 12:7]

Daniel 12:7
...........that `after a time, times, and a half, and at the completion of the scattering of the power of the holy people, finished are all these.[Reve 10:5,6]

Revelation 12:14
But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place,
where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

Daniel 7:25
He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute[fn] the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Here's a few posts that might relate ....not sure if they connect directly with the OT tho....

created male and female
http://www.christianforums.com/t7764301/#post63849906

born of incorruptable seed
http://www.christianforums.com/t7764301/#post63875450

ark carried over the Euphrates
http://www.christianforums.com/t7764301-2/#post63901797

scepter of Christ
http://www.christianforums.com/t7764301-5/#post63975434

altar of unhewn stone
http://www.christianforums.com/t7764301-8/#post64074613

the city of God
http://www.christianforums.com/t7764301/#post63888426


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[LittleLambofJesus]

Thank you Maid

Another one might be this event in Ezra 3 concerning the destruction of Solomon's Temple in the OT, and the destruction of Herod's Temple in the NT book of Revelation

Ezra 3:
12 Yet many of the priests and Levites and heads of fathers' households, the old men who had seen the first temple,
wept with a loud voice when the foundation of this house was laid before their eyes, while many shouted aloud for joy,
13 so that the people could not distinguish the sound of the shout of joy from the sound of the weeping of the people,
for the people shouted with a loud shout, and the sound was heard far away.

Revelation 18:
18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, "What city is like unto this great city!"
Revelation 19:
4 And fall the twenty four elders and the four living-ones, and worship to the God, to the One sitting upon the throne saying: "amen allelouia".




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[brinny]

.....howz about in Genesis, where God tells da serpent his fate? That there is One Who will CONQUER him, CRUSHING him, and be triumphant? In Revelation, doesn't it say how Jesus Christ is triumphant, that He rides in as King and ALL will bow their knee to Him, and declare Him as King of kings and Lord of lords?

And, if so, doesn't this bring Genesis and Revelation "full circle", so to speak....?

kinda' reminds me of this verse:

"And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." ~Mark 4:9

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[LittleLambofJesus]

.....howz about in Genesis, where God tells da serpent his fate? That there is One Who will CONQUER him, CRUSHING him, and be triumphant? In Revelation, doesn't it say how Jesus Christ is triumphant, that He rides in as King and ALL will bow their knee to Him, and declare Him as King of kings and Lord of lords?

And, if so, doesn't this bring Genesis and Revelation "full circle", so to speak....?

kinda' reminds me of this verse:

"And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." ~Mark 4:9

"He that hath ears to hear..." repeated 8 times in Revelation, including 7 times in the letters to the Assemblies in Revelation......pretty kewl!

Rotherham) Matthew 13:15
For the heart of this people hath become dense, and with their ears heavily have they heard, and their eyes have they closed,--
lest once they should see with their eyes, and with their ear should hear, and with their hearts should understand and return, when I would certainly heal them. [Isaiah 6:9, 10]

Young) Revelation 2:7 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 2:11 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 2:17 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 2:29 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 3:6 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 3:13 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 3:22 He who is having an ear--let him hear

Rev 13:9
if any one hath an ear -- let him hear:

 

[brinny]

It is repeated 8 times in the letters to the 7 Assemblies in Revelation......pretty kewl!

Rotherham) Matthew 13:15
For the heart of this people hath become dense, and with their ears heavily have they heard, and their eyes have they closed,--
lest once they should see with their eyes, and with their ear should hear, and with their hearts should understand and return, when I would certainly heal them. [Isaiah 6:9, 10]

Reve 6:16
And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: 'Be falling on us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb" [Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]

Young) Revelation 2:7 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 2:11 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 2:17 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 2:29 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 3:6 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 3:13 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 3:22 He who is having an ear--let him hear

Young) Revelation 13:9 if any one hath an ear--let him hear

THIS is profound. It applies even now, more crucially than ever. We GOTTA open our plugged ears, mon, and LISTEN.

Soooo many have stopped up ears.

Amen LLOJ.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

goodgoogaloogamooga, that's awesome!!!

The ENTIRE Bible weaves like a tapestry from one end to the other, and comes FULL CIRCLE in Revelation.

God's "weaving".....leaves one speechless.

Oh yes! The entire Bible is like an unending thread of a garment...

As David said " and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them." The revelation of a son that we are through and in The Son...the image being revealed of who we are in Truth. FULL CIRCLE - our end takes us back to the beginning that has no end.

Psalm 107 describes utterly the process taking place within, the land being a picture our soul journey to the revelation summed up in Revelation.

 

[Noxot]

if scientist were open about this kind of stuff then it would help them to discover an entire other world that transcends this one which is why ordering the bible is so easy for God and his angels.

but instead they try to understand it by only the operations that occur in our world because they have not understood spirit/mind yet. if this information grows bigger, and it might since science is popular and popular people are describing their understanding of the bible in a scientific way, it will mean that some Christians will fall away from their faith due to them already having been rational modernist rather than spiritual Christians. I call this danger "the disease of godless mythology" and it is a plague that has the potential to wipe out many.

my hope is that each shall taste and see for themselves the sweetness that is God for there is no hope without him, only an empty world thats meaning must then be based on what little bread crumbs we have. but God will make a way in his fury. he shall test us all by a rod of iron.

 

[Small Fish]

I find this person's view concerning the "allusions" found in the book of Revelation that are found in the Old Testament/Covenant rather fascinating.
Would anyone like to put down verses from Revelation and the verses from the OT/OC that are alluded to this? I think that would be fun. Thanks

THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION

One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source! That’s, IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.

95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation.
That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!

Off hand I might come up with some I'm sure. Now I'm getting reddy for church and I'll like to take a deeper look at it. What I do think is that this can be a study that can keep you busy for a while.

Is this not always the problem with this time realm that we are in? Apart from all the obstacles that take even more of our time, we get tired and off track. Never a dull moment.

I'm glad to have an Eternity to look forward to.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Double post.....