Not all our brothers in Christ, just the ordained ones as they are our spiritual fathers. They take care of us concerning our spiritual life and journey.Do you call your brothers in Christ 'father'?
Jesus was not speaking about not calling Abraham 'father'. Jesus was speaking to the brothers and sisters in Christ not calling the brothers in Christ 'father'.He says Father Abraham. If He meant brother, He would have said Brother Abraham. He didn't.
Gods word is understandable even to a young child.Everyone interprets the Scriptures, some let the Church do it as is proper others do it themselves
Not always, you see you bring you own ideas and preconceived notions to the Scriptures. For instance you will not find anywhere in Scripture that tells one to follow itself alone yet you and many other protestants do. Point in fact you put your own ideas on all those verses you postedGod’s word is understandable even to a young child.
How from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus, see 2 Timothy 3:15.
We do not need elected men to interpret God’s word for us, but we are to check the scriptures to check out those claiming to be teachers, see Mark 7:14; 2 Timothy 3:15, 16, 17; John 20:30, 31; Acts 17:11; and, Psalm 119:105.
For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus. See 2 Corinthians 1:13,14.
God revealed the truth to little children, and God hid the truth from the wise and learned.
Luke 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
We are not to follow tradition or church laws or any human rules as authority for the church (Matthew 15:1-14; Colossians 2:8; Galatians 1:6-9; Proverbs 14:12; 2 John 9-11; Jeremiah 10:23).
Christ is not minutaie. Scripture is not.
The same old tired discussion of the filioque on the other hand is.
Time to move on. Some 'Traditions' have all the weight of a piano tied to one's butt and half the usefulness.
[FONT="]I know Orthodox is not Roman Catholic. That does not mean they do not share some of the false doctrines.[/FONT][FONT="]I have no problem answering that we have icons in our churches and homes and that we pray in their presence and venerate them, our brothers and sisters gone before us, and use incense in our services, but we are not Roman Catholics. [/FONT]
[FONT="]No one here stated to me first that he or she were Orthodox. I was speaking of the false doctrines of the Catholic denomination. If you share the same false doctrines, then that is the main issue. However, since you say you are not Catholic but instead are Orthodox, then why would I call you Catholic?[FONT="]You do realize we split from each other (charitable way of putting it) around 1054 A.D., right? So, if you are going to address us Orthodox here who have been conversing, I'd appreciate you addressing us by the faith we are part of.[/FONT]
The Israelites burned incense to the bronze snake/the Orthodox priest burns incense to the crucifix, and any relics or images of saints. If the bronze snake that Moses had made was broke into pieces because the Israelites had been burning incense to it (see 2 Kings 18:1-4), then why is it okay for the Orthodox priests to bow to and incense the crucifix?[FONT="]
Incense is actually Biblical. Read Malachi. God said the Gentiles would be burning incense in glory to Him (paraphrasing) in our churches.[/FONT]
Not always, you see you bring you own ideas and preconceived notions to the Scriptures. For instance you will not find anywhere in Scripture that tells one to follow itself alone yet you and many other protestants do. Point in fact you put your own ideas on all those verses you posted
Protestant add and take away all the time to their whim. As one poster stated eloquentlyYou are not speaking the truth.
Deuteronomy 4:2; 5:32, Proverbs 30:5-6 and Revelation 22:18-19 warn against adding to or detracting from Scripture.
SS is then a very curious praxis from what I see here ... neither demonstrated in Scripture nor even honoring the teaching of Christ in the Scriptures ...
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[FONT="]I go against the Protestants. Read what Jesus says about going against someone.
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[FONT="]Paul did not tell anyone to call him father.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Apostle Paul was an Apostle, that means the first prominent missionary. In addition, he was older. In 1 Corinthians 1:15, Paul says to the believers in Corinth that they do not have many fathers in Christ. However, we can see how this is opposite of the Catholic religion. The Catholic religion calls all their priests father. There must be tens of thousands of fathers in the Catholic religion. Yet another scripture that shows the Catholic religion goes against the Word of God. Furthermore, no apostle ever told anyone to call him father.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]You will not admit either when you have been shown Gods Truth.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]We put on Christ when we obey Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT="]We must repent and be baptized.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]God says not to bow down before the works of your hands. Catholics bow down before the works of their hands! You are making up lying excuses as to why you will not do what God says.[/FONT]
Deuteronomy 4:15-17 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air,
Micah 5:13 I will destroy your idols and your sacred stones from among you; you will no longer bow down to the work of your hands.
1. I'm not Catholic. Please research what I am before accusing me of practices that I am not familiar with.The Israelites burned incense to the bronze snake/the Catholic priest burns incense to the crucifix, and any relics or images of saints. If the bronze snake that Moses had made was broke into pieces because the Israelites had been burning incense to it (see 2 Kings 18:1-4), then why is it okay for the Catholic priests to bow to and incense the crucifix?
I am not interpreting the scriptures. The scriptures are clearly written.
You follow a tradition of what scripture is. The canon is not written in the canon of Scripture. There is no divine inspired table of contents.Gods word is understandable even to a young child.
How from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus, see 2 Timothy 3:15.
We do not need elected men to interpret Gods word for us, but we are to check the scriptures to check out those claiming to be teachers, see Mark 7:14; 2 Timothy 3:15, 16, 17; John 20:30, 31; Acts 17:11; and, Psalm 119:105.
For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus. See 2 Corinthians 1:13,14.
God revealed the truth to little children, and God hid the truth from the wise and learned.
Luke 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
We are not to follow tradition or church laws or any human rules as authority for the church (Matthew 15:1-14; Colossians 2:8; Galatians 1:6-9; Proverbs 14:12; 2 John 9-11; Jeremiah 10:23).
Wow. That's a new interpretation. Haven't heard that one before. That's not what the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man was about. Wow. :oJesus was not speaking about not calling Abraham 'father'. Jesus was speaking to the brothers and sisters in Christ not calling the brothers in Christ 'father'.
Jesus says not to do that.
What false doctrines would those be?[FONT="]I know Orthodox is not Roman Catholic. That does not mean they do not share some of the false doctrines.[/FONT]
You have a lot of misunderstanding about the ancient Church.You go against the Word of God when you venerate icons.
Again, what false doctrines? Do you realize the decision to use the Bible as sole authority is a man-made teaching, not of the Apostolic teaching from the beginning? Should I call that a false doctrine that the bible is the sole authority?No one here stated to me first that he or she were Orthodox. I was speaking of the false doctrines of the Catholic denomination. If you share the same false doctrines, then that is the main issue. However, since you say you are not Catholic but instead are Orthodox, then why would I call you Catholic?
The Israelites burned incense to the bronze snake/the Orthodox priest burns incense to the crucifix, and any relics or images of saints. If the bronze snake that Moses had made was broke into pieces because the Israelites had been burning incense to it (see 2 Kings 18:1-4), then why is it okay for the Orthodox priests to bow to and incense the crucifix?
So you're saying Jesus contradicted Himself. He said not to call any man father, but then had St. Paul's disciple Timothy call him father and St. John talking about our forefathers, and Christ Himself saying the rich man called Abraham Father Abraham. Christ didn't want anybody to call anyone father, but the exceptions were the two Apostles and the rich man Christ talks about. Is that right?