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The BIBLE only is the standard for truth... (3)

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by simonthezealot, Apr 24, 2014.

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  1. topcare

    topcare The Eucharist is Life

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    Yes the old tried refrain of "I'm not Protestant" yet you and all others protest.

    As I can prove easily you Protestant do not go by Scripture either and try to explain things away that are hard for you.

    Then you sin if you call your Dad Father at anytime since he is just your brother.

    Proof of this wild idea is needed

    The Scriptures also declare whole households were baptized so Scripture must contradict itself. Of course the right explination is that Scripture does not say the only way to be baptized is to believe here you protestant add to Scripture

    Catholics do no such thing. Do you adore pictures of your children or loved ones? Better stop because your sinning. You see Catholics do not pray to statues the idea is silly, instead they pray to the saint or Christ who the statue represents. The statue is no more than a mere 3d picture


    No other such falsehoods as you been taught
     
  2. sunlover1

    sunlover1 Beloved, Let us love one another

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    I am not a protestant either, and what do I protest?
    What kind of church do you attend btw?
     
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    [FONT=&quot]I speak against all false doctrines.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]According to your defense, you are a sinner.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Jesus was speaking of Spiritual things. Jesus was not speaking of not calling our earthly fathers ‘father’.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]I do not call my brothers in Christ ‘father’. [/FONT]That is how I obey Jesus. How do you obey Jesus by not calling your brother 'father'?
    [FONT=&quot]Are you saying you do not know that the Catholics popes take the seat of most importance. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]The Catholics pope always takes the seat of most importance. He even has his feet kissed, and the scriptures speak against the men of God having their feet kissed, or just being bowed to, even for reverence.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]See Acts 10:26 [/FONT]But Peter made him get up. "Stand up," he said, "I am only a man myself."
    [FONT=&quot]The Catholics say their popes are in the line of Peter, yet they do not do as Peter does.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Do a research on the Chair of “St. Peter”.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Not every household has infants. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]You do not know what your own religion teaches. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]I hope that you are truly appalled and will stop doing things that God says not to do.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Read this carefully…[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]The following paragraph is part of an article that explains further the acts Catholics perform.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]In both East and West the reverence we pay to images has crystallized into formal ritual. In the Latin Rite the priest is commanded to bow to the cross in the sacristy before he leaves it to say Mass (“Ritus servandus” in the Missal, II, 1); he bows again profoundly “to the altar or the image of the crucifix placed upon it” when he begins Mass (ibid., II, 2); he begins incensing the altar by incensing the crucifix on it (IV, 4), and bows to it every time he passes it (ibid.); he also incenses any relics or images of saints that may be on the altar (ibid.). In the same way many such commands throughout our rubrics show that always a reverence is to be paid to the cross or images of saints whenever we approach them. CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Veneration of Images[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Every time a Catholic walks in a church for Mass, they bow to the altar with the statues and images placed there. This is against God.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]That is exactly what pagans says about their statues.
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    [FONT=&quot]You are afraid, and that is why you hide behind the teachings of the Catholic Church. If you want to know God’s Truth, then obey God’s Truth.[/FONT]
     
  4. sculleywr

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    You're not Orthodox. You aren't Catholic. You follow the five Solas as written during the Reformation. You follow a set of beliefs that was sourced in a church in the Reformation. Therefore, by definition, you are a Protestant.

    You can try.

    I Timothy 1:18
    Timothy, my son, I am giving you this command in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them you may fight the battle well,

    Paul called Timothy Son as inspired to do so by way of the Holy Spirit. It is logical that if the divinely inspired Apostle called Timothy son, that he saw a sort of father-son relationship.

    Or of course, we could say: Jesus said call no man father. Paul acted as the father of Timothy, therefore his writings are not Scripture.

    I'm not Roman Catholic. I'm Orthodox Catholic. Therefore, I will not respond.

    Scripture was speaking to adults. Baptism joins us to Christ, because "As many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."

    If all who have been baptized into Christ have the wonderful, powerful, awesome Christ put on them, then why do you refuse to Baptize your baby into Christ?

    God says not to make an image to bow before AND WORSHIP. Neither Catholics, nor Orthodox, worship the images, which removes the second half of the command, which is included by an inclusive conjunction. If a person bows down to and worships an image, he is wrong. In the Greek Septuagint, the word is "Latreia", which means "do not make an image that you bow down and worship as God". What is done toward the Icons is not worshiping the Icons. Rather, we worship God WITH the Icons
     
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    [FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]I go against the Protestants. Read what Jesus says about going against someone.
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    [FONT=&quot]Paul did not tell anyone to call him ‘father’.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Apostle Paul was an Apostle, that means the first prominent missionary. In addition, he was older. In 1 Corinthians 1:15, Paul says to the believers in Corinth that they do not have many fathers in Christ. However, we can see how this is opposite of the Catholic religion. The Catholic religion calls all their priests “father.” There must be tens of thousands of fathers in the Catholic religion. Yet another scripture that shows the Catholic religion goes against the Word of God. Furthermore, no apostle ever told anyone to call him ‘father’.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]You will not admit either when you have been shown God’s Truth.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]We put on Christ when we obey Christ.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]We must repent and be baptized.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]God says not to bow down before the works of your hands. Catholics bow down before the works of their hands! You are making up lying excuses as to why you will not do what God says.[/FONT]
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    Deuteronomy 4:15-17 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air,


    Micah 5:13 I will destroy your idols and your sacred stones from among you; you will no longer bow down to the work of your hands.



    The Israelites burned incense to the bronze snake/the Catholic priest burns incense to the crucifix, and any relics or images of saints. If the bronze snake that Moses had made was broke into pieces because the Israelites had been burning incense to it (see 2 Kings 18:1-4), then why is it okay for the Catholic priests to bow to and incense the crucifix?
     
  6. Thekla

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    If you read what Christ states, recorded in the Holy Scriptures, it is not minutuiae but the truth; Christ states that He will send the Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father (John 15:26).

    As you hold that the Bible is the only standard for truth per what I read in the thread, I've only asked that you demonstrate that the filioque is valid by citing the Scripture that teaches that the Holy Spirit proceeds from (ie originates in) the Father and the Son.

    I was under the impression that SS adherents hold that all doctrine must be in accord with Scripture.

    Of course we (EO) also honor Scripture as valuable for the development of the spiritual heart and guidance in the walk in Christ; of course !

    I am not trying to "send you/us down a rabbit hole"; I am only asking that you demonstrate from Scripture this teaching (that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son) - which will demonstrate also for us the view that SS adherents have of the value of Scripture.

    It seems there is a degree of hesitation on your part to provide the Scripture citations on the Holy trinity that demonstrate your teaching on the origin of the Holy Spirit; yet, this is just the thread for this opportunity.

    And yes, we take Scripture that seriously.

    So also we continue to talk on this issue towards mutual understanding, which also includes the role of the RC pope. Supposedly, this was also an important issue for Luther and SS adherents.

    And this, from my previous post:

     
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  7. Dorothea

    Dorothea One of God's handmaidens

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    There's one of St. Luke's icons in Greece at a monastery that we visited back in 2010. :)
     
  8. topcare

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    So many errors it is sad. An example of Sola Scriptura gone wild
     
  9. SolomonVII

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    Christ is not minutaie. Scripture is not.
    The same old tired discussion of the filioque on the other hand is.

    Time to move on. Some 'Traditions' have all the weight of a piano tied to one's butt and half the usefulness.
     
  10. Dorothea

    Dorothea One of God's handmaidens

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    Ok. Thanks. :)
     
  11. Dorothea

    Dorothea One of God's handmaidens

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    I haven't seen many Catholics posting in this thread in a while. Just wanted to make sure you weren't mixing us Orthodox up with the Roman Catholics. :D
     
  12. Dorothea

    Dorothea One of God's handmaidens

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    Don't forget Christ says Himself in the story of Lazarus and the rich man, Father Abraham. :)
     
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    I gave many scriptures and explained carefully what I believe.
    All you have left to do to defend your false doctrines is to merely deny the truth, and give insults.
     
  14. topcare

    topcare The Eucharist is Life

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    No insults just sadness at the parroting of errors that Protestants put forward
     
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    Do you call your brothers in Christ 'father'?

    Does your denomination baptize infants?

    Do you make 'holy images' and bow to them? Do you incense them, as the Roman Catholics do?

    Why would it only be wrong for Catholics to do those things and not the Orthodox Catholics?
     
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    You are only trying to insult me, as you deny the truth and the scriptures I gave.
     
  17. topcare

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    No I am not, I deny your interpretation not Scriptures
     
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    Jesus was not speaking of Abraham. Jesus was speaking of the 'brothers' and 'sisters' in Christ.
     
  19. Dorothea

    Dorothea One of God's handmaidens

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    I have no problem answering that we have icons in our churches and homes and that we pray in their presence and venerate them, our brothers and sisters gone before us, and use incense in our services, but we are not Roman Catholics. You do realize we split from each other (charitable way of putting it) around 1054 A.D., right? So, if you are going to address us Orthodox here who have been conversing, I'd appreciate you addressing us by the faith we are part of. :)

    Incense is actually Biblical. Read Malachi. God said the Gentiles would be burning incense in glory to Him (paraphrasing) in our churches. :thumbsup:
     
  20. Dorothea

    Dorothea One of God's handmaidens

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    He says Father Abraham. If He meant brother, He would have said Brother Abraham. He didn't.
     
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