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The BIBLE only is the standard for truth... (3)

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by simonthezealot, Apr 24, 2014.

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  1. THIS

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    I am not interpreting the scriptures. The scriptures are clearly written.
     
  2. topcare

    topcare The Eucharist is Life

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    Everyone interprets the Scriptures, some let the Church do it as is proper others do it themselves
     
  3. Dorothea

    Dorothea One of God's handmaidens

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    Not all our brothers in Christ, just the ordained ones as they are our spiritual fathers. They take care of us concerning our spiritual life and journey. :)

    We have biological fathers and spiritual fathers. :)
     
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    Jesus was not speaking about not calling Abraham 'father'. Jesus was speaking to the brothers and sisters in Christ not calling the brothers in Christ 'father'.
     
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    Jesus says not to do that.
     
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    God’s word is understandable even to a young child.

    How from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus, see 2 Timothy 3:15.

    We do not need elected men to interpret God’s word for us, but we are to check the scriptures to check out those claiming to be teachers, see Mark 7:14; 2 Timothy 3:15, 16, 17; John 20:30, 31; Acts 17:11; and, Psalm 119:105.

    For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus. See 2 Corinthians 1:13,14.

    God revealed the truth to little children, and God hid the truth from the wise and learned.

    Luke 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

    We are not to follow tradition or church laws or any human rules as authority for the church (Matthew 15:1-14; Colossians 2:8; Galatians 1:6-9; Proverbs 14:12; 2 John 9-11; Jeremiah 10:23).
     
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    Not always, you see you bring you own ideas and preconceived notions to the Scriptures. For instance you will not find anywhere in Scripture that tells one to follow itself alone yet you and many other protestants do. Point in fact you put your own ideas on all those verses you posted
     
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    Then why do you refer to the very words, the very teaching of Jesus Christ in the Scriptures "minutiae" ?

    The op is about the Scriptures, the Bible, as the "only standard of truth". Yet when I point to the very words and teaching of Christ in the Holy Scriptures, His teaching is just "minutiae" and "time to move on" ?

    This is how SS treats the teaching of the Scriptures, the very teaching of Christ in the Scriptures ?

    SS is then a very curious praxis from what I see here ... neither demonstrated in Scripture nor even honoring the teaching of Christ in the Scriptures ...
     
  9. topcare

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    Very true
     
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    [FONT=&quot]I know Orthodox is not Roman Catholic. That does not mean they do not share some of the false doctrines.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]You go against the Word of God when you venerate icons. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]No one here stated to me first that he or she were Orthodox. I was speaking of the false doctrines of the Catholic denomination. If you share the same false doctrines, then that is the main issue. However, since you say you are not Catholic but instead are Orthodox, then why would I call you Catholic?
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    The Israelites burned incense to the bronze snake/the Orthodox priest burns incense to the crucifix, and any relics or images of saints. If the bronze snake that Moses had made was broke into pieces because the Israelites had been burning incense to it (see 2 Kings 18:1-4), then why is it okay for the Orthodox priests to bow to and incense the crucifix?
     
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    You are not speaking the truth.

    Deuteronomy 4:2; 5:32, Proverbs 30:5-6 and Revelation 22:18-19 warn against adding to or detracting from Scripture.
     
  12. topcare

    topcare The Eucharist is Life

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    Protestant add and take away all the time to their whim. As one poster stated eloquently

     
  13. sculleywr

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    You simply protest the protesters. That makes you a protestant, because you "protest". Besides that. If you believe Scripture ONLY is the standard of Truth, then you are following the teachings of Zwinglianism, as taught by Zwingli, one of the leaders of the classic (magisterial) Protestant Reformation.

    Paul called Timothy his son. The corollary is that Timothy called Paul father. That is a completely logical assumption, and without evidence to the contrary, it is illogical to assume that Timothy was not calling Paul father.
    Actually I would. That's why I sing
    We have seen the True Light!
    We Have Received the Heavenly Spirit!
    We have found the true Faith
    Worshiping the undivided Trinity!
    For He has saved us!

    You are skirting on the rules by claiming to have a monopoly on God's Truth. God's Truth is Christ. None other. Not your teaching.

    For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


    End of discussion. You add a tradition to Scripture by saying that.

    Luke gave us the Icons, something I am thankful for. Notice it defined the image as an idol. An idol is an object or image that is worshipped, therefore, Icons are not Idols, because NOBODY teaches us to worship the Icons. You subtract from Scripture to ignore the word "Idol" in both verses.

    1. I'm not Catholic. Please research what I am before accusing me of practices that I am not familiar with.

    2. We cense the image of Christ that is in all people, both present and in heaven. The saints are themselves images of Christ, for they are made in the image of God, which is Christ.

    3. God commanded Moses to make the snake and commanded the Israelites to bow to the image of a snake. God broke your interpretation of the Scripture. So, either your interpretation of Scripture is wrong, or God is wrong.

    Guess who I'm betting on.
     
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    I stand corrected. I may one day travel there.
     
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    Yeah, if Scriptures were clearly written, there wouldn't be thousands of denominations that all say Scripture is clearly written.
     
  16. sculleywr

    sculleywr Orthodox Colitis Survivor

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    You follow a tradition of what scripture is. The canon is not written in the canon of Scripture. There is no divine inspired table of contents.

    In other words, you let the decisions of men choose which books are Scripture for you.

    And don't say God showed you, because you can't prove that.
     
  17. Dorothea

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    Wow. That's a new interpretation. Haven't heard that one before. That's not what the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man was about. Wow. :eek:
     
  18. Dorothea

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    So you're saying Jesus contradicted Himself. He said not to call any man father, but then had St. Paul's disciple Timothy call him father and St. John talking about our forefathers, and Christ Himself saying the rich man called Abraham Father Abraham. Christ didn't want anybody to call anyone father, but the exceptions were the two Apostles and the rich man Christ talks about. Is that right?
     
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    What false doctrines would those be?

    You have a lot of misunderstanding about the ancient Church.


    Again, what false doctrines? Do you realize the decision to use the Bible as sole authority is a man-made teaching, not of the Apostolic teaching from the beginning? Should I call that a false doctrine that the bible is the sole authority?


    Wow. I'm sorry, THIS, but you speak about something you know nothing about. Burning incense represents our prayers to God in heaven. Check of Revelation, I think it's chapter 20, but my memory isn't that good, but it's in there.

    When we are incensed, it's recognizing Christ in the person whether standing in the nave or written on an icon depicting that person (family member who came before us) and things that are holy of God. That's what it means.

    Again, I see you have ignored Malachi. I'll help you out. Here:

    Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same, my name is great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense is offered unto my name, and a clean offering; for my name is great among the Gentiles, said the LORD of the hosts."
     
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    Abraham is not a brother in Christ. Apostle Paul did not tell us all to call him 'father'.

    Jesus tells us that we are all brothers. Brothers do not call each other 'father'.
     
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