Adolf Hitler - The World's Most Infamous Creationist

[AV1611VET]

I think he's making the point that if the writers of what would become the Bible had known that the Bible would be used to justify genocide, wars, slavery, rape, incest, polygamy, and terrorism, they would've been mortified.

So would I ... but at them, not what I'm writing.

That's why I always make the point that those who used the Bible to commit these atrocities, did it in spite of the Bible, not with respect to It.

And for the record, the only ones I see today using the Bible to justify genocide, wars, slavery, rape, incest, polygamy, and terrorism are you guys.

Now don't get me wrong.

You guys wouldn't do it yourselves, since you don't believe in the Bible.

But you'll wonder why we won't do it; and that's sad.

As I have pointed out before, I think 9/11 went down in small part because scientific methodists prompted the Muslims not to be hypocritical with their Koran.

Scientific methodists here try the same thing with our Bible, and it doesn't work.

So, of course, we get ridiculed as hypocrites.

And that suits me just fine.

 

[AV1611VET]

I would have said gobsmacked, but mortified is definitely better.

Mortified is a pretty good term.

After all, the Serpent used the word of God to get Eve to sin in the Garden.

He first Arab phoned it to her, and when she responded, he pulled a HitchSlap and said, in essence, "Nope. Won't happen."

[C+E] + [PL+S] = GEN3.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I do not want to put you down Oncedeceived but I'm afraid I must, you have not experienced God you only imagine you have because the only God you have is in your imagination, someone put the idea of a God into your head and you took it from there just as a Muslim did with a different God.

Ginger, you can not know what another experiences in their lives. God is real. Period. I know reality. I am a productive member of society. I live a good life, a moral life. I know I can trust my grasp on reality.

What happens to the Gods of the Christians who lose their faith? where do their Gods go?

Do you know the difference of believing something and knowing something? IF you believe something and only believe it, you can change that belief. If you know something you know it. Knowing is different than belief.

I know you will say that the people who lose their faith were not true Christians to start with but that's just not true, it's like saying that if people who are in love fall out of love they were not really in love from the beginning, what is love and what is a God? they are both just feelings.
We have talked about this before when we talked about irrational fear from the movies, feelings can either lift you up or knock you down.

Again, you are equating feelings with knowledge.

Music does it for me, sometimes I am so overwhelmed I cry like a baby, I have no doubt that singing your National Anthem brings a lump to your throat, I know my National Anthem does it for me, feelings that's all they are, I know that reality can be a bummer sometimes but it's better than living in a dream world.

Feelings are not knowledge.

I don't care either way if there is a God or not, we can't know so I don't worry about it, how many other things are out there that you don't know about? if you had been born in my country the odds are you would now be like me, had I been born where you are I would more than likely be like you, does belief in your God depend on the luck of the draw?

You said you were raised by Christians? hmmmm.

 

[bhsmte]

Ginger, you can not know what another experiences in their lives. God is real. Period. I know reality. I am a productive member of society. I live a good life, a moral life. I know I can trust my grasp on reality.

Do you know the difference of believing something and knowing something? IF you believe something and only believe it, you can change that belief. If you know something you know it. Knowing is different than belief.
Again, you are equating feelings with knowledge.

Feelings are not knowledge.

You said you were raised by Christians? hmmmm.

Ok. You have made some statements about how God acts and have admitted they may be true, but you were not sure.

So, what do you 'know' about God and not just think, may be true about God?

Also, what do you base this 'knowing' on?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Ok. You have made some statements about how God acts and have admitted they may be true, but you were not sure.

So, what do you 'know' about God and not just think, may be true about God?

Also, what do you base this 'knowing' on?

What I know is that God is real. That He exists and that He is the Christian God.

 

[Davian]

What I know is that God is real. That He exists and that He is the Christian God.

You know God is real because you know God is real.

Not a particularly robust argument. Somewhat circular, I would say.

 

[Ginger123]

Ginger, you can not know what another experiences in their lives. God is real. Period. I know reality. I am a productive member of society. I live a good life, a moral life. I know I can trust my grasp on reality.

We are not talking about how good or bad a person you are we are talking about your belief in a supernatural God.
Saying that, does your God exist in reality or in the supernatural?

Do you know the difference of believing something and knowing something? IF you believe something and only believe it, you can change that belief. If you know something you know it. Knowing is different than belief.

Yes I do, to know something is true is not a state of mind, if something is true it's true no matter how you feel or don't feel about it.

Feelings are not knowledge.

Exactly, you have feelings not knowledge, you just feel you have knowledge of something it's impossible for you to have knowledge of.

You said you were raised by Christians? hmmmm.

No I was not raised by Christians in fact quite the opposite.

What you must realise is that the British view religion as a personal thing, people here say, my beliefs are my beliefs and have nothing to do with anyone else, in the US the opposite is true, if some Americans believe something [for no good reason] they want everyone to believe as they do and usually dislike the people who do not believe as they do,
in the UK if you don't mention your belief in a magic man neither will I, which means you can believe what ever [sensible to you and crazy thing to me] you like and never be questioned about it.

The older I get the more I realise that our 'live and let live' attitude will be our undoing.

 

[Oncedeceived]

We are not talking about how good or bad a person you are we are talking about your belief in a supernatural God.
Saying that, does your God exist in reality or in the supernatural?

Both.

Yes I do, to know something is true is not a state of mind, if something is true it's true no matter how you feel or don't feel about it.

Yes. That is exactly right. If you know something is true even if that something is not what you might want it doesn't matter because it is true regardless.

Exactly, you have feelings not knowledge, you just feel you have knowledge of something it's impossible for you to have knowledge of.

You are mistaken, and in reality you have no reasonable way to know that I don't know. You have no reasonable way to determine that I feel rather than know. I do however.

No I was not raised by Christians in fact quite the opposite.

What you must realise is that the British view religion as a personal thing, people here say, my beliefs are my beliefs and have nothing to do with anyone else, in the US the opposite is true, if some Americans believe something [for no good reason] they want everyone to believe as they do and usually dislike the people who do not believe as they do,
in the UK if you don't mention your belief in a magic man neither will I, which means you can believe what ever [sensible to you and crazy thing to me] you like and never be questioned about it.

What leads you to believe that?

The older I get the more I realise that our 'live and let live' attitude will be our undoing.

Explain?

 

[bhsmte]

What I know is that God is real. That He exists and that He is the Christian God.

Based on what exactly?

 

[AV1611VET]

Based on what exactly?

The Bible.

Certainly not the Koran, Bhavagad-gita, The Preservation of Favoured Races, or Mein Kampf.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Based on what exactly?

There are various forms of evidence. Personal, evidence that others can substantiate, evidence in the universe, evidence in prophecy, evidence in revelations through various means substantiating the same information. It is a multitude of different elements that come together.

Consistency in the whole Christian worldview.

 

[Strathos]

I think he's making the point that if the writers of what would become the Bible had known that the Bible would be used to justify genocide, wars, slavery, rape, incest, polygamy, and terrorism, they would've been mortified.

If the Bible had never been written, people with the desires to do those things would have justified them some other way.

 

[HitchSlap]

If the Bible had never been written, people with the desires to do those things would have justified them some other way.

I think you're on to something.

 

[Ginger123]

Both.

Thank you but I have had enough now, I feel that your critical thinking ability has been damaged beyond repair.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Thank you but I have had enough now, I feel that your critical thinking ability has been damaged beyond repair.

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What would cause that damage?

 

[HitchSlap]

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What would cause that damage?

Religion.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Religion.

Religion does not alter brain functioning.

 

[HitchSlap]

Religion does not alter brain functioning.

Nor does it allow you to critically evaluate data and accept things for what they are.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Nor does it allow you to critically evaluate data and accept things for what they are.

Really? Why not.

 

[HitchSlap]

Really? Why not.

Religion necessarily requires you accept certain dogma, without question.