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Free Masonry is pure cult to Baphomet (Satan), hidden under a cloak of fraternity. It is not a conspiracy theory, it is a fact, not everybody accept such fact. Most people are reluctant to accept it, it falls far away from their limits of inteligibility. you don't have to trust me, yo can read it by your self in a Masonic page:

BAPHOMET: El Dios de la Luz | Respetable Logia Simbólica Centauro No. 9-96

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The Pope & The inappropriate contentographer - Leo Taxil

The Infamous Baphomet
 
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Freedom of religion is definitely not something the RCC would support. Makes you wonder why.

RCC also had their own form of masonry in the KOC. Both organizations have a lot in common.
Really? Could that be because the Catholic Church knows itself to be the one Christian Church that has the fullness of truth, and wishes all humanity to be part of it?

The K of C is not a secret society. And the fact that it is sanctioned by the Catholic Church makes it acceptible for Catholics. If a travel agency isn't affiliated and sanctioned by IATA and ARC, but by some other sanctioning body, it's better for someone not to use it. Likewise, if a doctor isn't a member of the AMA, better not to go to him. Same with the KofC. If you want to profess to be Catholic, and you want to join a Catholic organization, join the KofC. If you want to call yourself a Catholic and join non-Catholic groups, be a Mason. Of course, obedience to Mother Church is part of being a Catholic.
 
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There you go again misleading the readers.

Freemasonry was originally founded by Christians. The original documents are steeped in Christian mortals and beliefs.
Steeped in Christian MORTALS? I don't think so. If so, yuck. Deists often seem Christian. Just ask anyone who claims to know about the founding fathers. Some say they're Christian, some say they're deist.
 
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I'm not going to do your research for you. The original meeting place was in the basement of a church.

The concept of pluralism came from the founding fathers of this country. Part of the basis of this country was freedom. Free to worship as we choose. While I am Christian, I have attended many churches in my life. If your honest and open about your faith I think all you can do is learn. Unfortunately not everyone feels that way.
Lots of groups meet on the grounds of my Church. As long as they're not desecrating the Eucharist and worshipping the devil, that's fine. The Boy Scouts, for one...does that make them a Catholic, or even a Christian, organization?
 
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No that's not 'prove' or proof that masons were behind what happened. All it says it's that this person was a mason. Quite a stretch to say masons were behind it.
Oh, one of those...and yet I wonder how you feel about Pope Benedict in relation to the priest sex abuse scandal...
 
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I can understand how you feel, that doesn't deter from the facts. There are many, many men that belong to both.

I'm not here to question why Catholics do what they do. I'm here to answer questions honestly about Freemasonry.
It's not about feelings. It's about adhering to what the Church teaches, because we know that the Church, especially the Pope, speaks for Christ.

There are many, many Catholics, also, who use artificial Birth Control against the teaching of the Church. That doesn't make them right. It makes them wrong. It makes them obstinately outside the Church. Whether they call themselves Catholic or not.
 
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There is a prerogative to report it tho. :)

Frankly they dont 'mesh' with Catholic teaching. Universalism doesnt work... its all nice and stuff til someone gets their eye knocked out. ;)
 
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True, but odds are, that if a thread truly breaks a rule, a mod will probably review it on their own anyway.

I was a Mod; Mods don't patrol threads, they are members, they post in their preferred forums, and sometimes stumble over problem posts and threads. They do handle reports though.

If there is a problem, report the post; it will be reviewed and handled fairly, but not always quickly; reports are many, staff are few.:)
 
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Why are they bad? I have always wanted to know the reasons as to why the Catholic Church especially has huge issues with them.

Forum rules dictate that "Masonry" related topic should be discussed under "Unorthodox Theology" section.

I think, since that OP is asking for the Catholic position regarding Masonry in the Catholic forum, the discussion is appropriate here, but promoting Masonry in a Forum where membership in the Lodge, is prohibited to members of this forum would be against the rules.
 
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I can't speak on the Catholic Church's reasons per se, but most of what I've heard is that in the innermost circles of Freemasonry they dabble in the occult or something. Whether that's true or not, I'm not sure, and I tend to take most of that sort of thing with a grain of salt when I hear it. My mother-in-law is a massive conspiracy theorist and she was the first one I heard that from years back, so I'm reluctant to accept that as any sort of truth since it came from her.

My maternal grandfather was a Mason, though I don't think he was ranked high in any sense so he may not have been exposed to some of their more secretive practices or beliefs or whatever.

Speaking as a Freemason, I can assure you that its not true; furthermore Freemasonry is not a religion nor a substitute for religion. Each Freemason is urged to be steadfast in the faith of his acceptance.
 
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We had a member in here - a Catholic - who was a freemason.
He left the masons and converted Catholic and the two are not complimentary.
The further up you go the more you realize it just doesnt jive with Christianity.

I wonder where Geo went.
 
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I was a Mod; Mods don't patrol threads, they are members, they post in their preferred forums, and sometimes stumble over problem posts and threads. They do handle reports though.

If there is a problem, report the post; it will be reviewed and handled fairly, but not always quickly; reports are many, staff are few.:)
I was a Mod too, several years ago. We patrolled our pet forums, and we had so many and so varied that we covered most things. When I was more active, I can guarantee you I was reading the entirety of about the 10 most recent threads. Then again, I had no life, and CF was smaller then.
 
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Speaking as a Freemason, I can assure you that its not true; furthermore Freemasonry is not a religion nor a substitute for religion. Each Freemason is urged to be steadfast in the faith of his acceptance.
This is the only rational understanding of Freemasonry, in my opinion. I've known too many Freemasons that were devoted to their faiths for freemasonry to be a force that causes any kind of religiously divergent effect. It just doesn't happen.
 
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That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. A string of untruths throughout the writing.

You are in the Catholic Forum, their "safe haven"; it's against the rules to teach against their teachings here; from our rules:

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Respect and become familiar with each forum's Statement of Purpose. Start threads that are relevant to that forum's stated purpose; submit replies that are relevant to the topic of discussion. Off Topic posts will be moved or removed.
 
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