Free Masons

[mark46]

The Catholic Church accepts many faith walks. It is in communion with some churches. It celebrates our brothers and sisters in other Christian churches, although it is our understanding that they have an incomplete deposit of faith. We have a special respect for those religions of the Book: Jews and Muslims. We also respect other religions that seek after the Truth. We respect Hindus, Buddhist, Jains, Sikhs and others.

However there are a very few organizations that the Church has found so anti-Christian that they are singled out and warned against. Freemasonry is such an organization.

You can claim freedom of religion if you wish. That does not change anything other than give you the right to worship (in some countries). Freedom of religion does not make freemasonry acceptable to the Roman Catholic Church or acceptable for its members who wish to be in good standing in the Church.

Part of the revolutions that we were a part of had to do with religious freedoms. Freedom to choose what church we worshiped at.

Biggest reason the Vatican dislikes us. They don't want anyone with the ability to choose anything they don't approve of.

 

[Simpleman25]

I have given the teaching of the Church. It is quite simple.

We could "debate" Catholic teaching but unless a Catholic wants to do so, that will not happen in violation of the rules. If any Catholic is confused and wants more information, we will certainly point them in the right direction.

Masons welcome people of all faiths. Secret societies with their rituals are not accepted the Church. Since you are not Catholic, you are free to be part of whatever organization you wish.

Comparing freemasonry to Catholicism is not welcome here. Take your anti-Catholic somewhere else. It is not welcome and against the rules here on this fellowship board.

No one was comparing masonry and Catholicism.

 

[Simpleman25]

The Catholic Church accepts many faith walks. It is in communion with some churches. It celebrates our brothers and sisters in other Christian churches, although it is our understanding that they have an incomplete deposit of faith. We have a special respect for those religions of the Book: Jews and Muslims. We also respect other religions that seek after the Truth. We respect Hindus, Buddhist, Jains, Sikhs and others.

However there are a very few organizations that the Church has found so anti-Christian that they are singled out and warned against. Freemasonry is such an organization.

You can claim freedom of religion if you wish. That does not change anything other than give you the right to worship (in some countries). Freedom of religion does not make freemasonry acceptable to the Roman Catholic Church or acceptable for its members who wish to be in good standing in the Church.

Freedom of religion is definitely not something the RCC would support. Makes you wonder why.

RCC also had their own form of masonry in the KOC. Both organizations have a lot in common.

 

[WisdomTree]

Freedom of religion is definitely not something the RCC would support. Makes you wonder why.

RCC also had their own form of masonry in the KOC. Both organizations have a lot in common.

The Knights of Columbus does not have a lot in common with Freemasonry. True, we have an initiation rite that is to be kept confidential, but that is to forge a bond of trust between members.

Also, why are you chastising Catholicism on a Catholic sub-forum?

 

[Simpleman25]

The Knights of Columbus does not have a lot in common with Freemasonry. True, we have an initiation rite that is to be kept confidential, but that is to forge a bond of trust between members.

Also, why are you chastising Catholicism on a Catholic sub-forum?

First off the men I know that are in both tell me how similar they are. I have only what they tell me to go by.

I'm not chastising Catholicism. These are the same questions I've posed to Catholic friends and family.

 

[Rhamiel]

the main difference between the Knight of Columbus and the Freemasons is the foundation

Freemasonry was founded on Enlightenment Philosophy
on Deism and Humanism

Knights of Columbus was founded upon the virtues of Christianity

 

[Searching_for_Christ]

First off the men I know that are in both tell me how similar they are.

Weird combo.

 

[Simpleman25]

There you go again misleading the readers.

Freemasonry was originally founded by Christians. The original documents are steeped in Christian mortals and beliefs.

 

[Simpleman25]

Weird combo.

Not really. I've been to various Masonic and Shrine conventions around the country. There are quite a few Catholics involved.

 

[Rhamiel]

There you go again misleading the readers.

Freemasonry was originally founded by Christians. The original documents are steeped in Christian mortals and beliefs.

oh? the founders were Christian?
who were the original founders of the Freemasons?
I mean what were their names?

 

[Simpleman25]

oh? the founders were Christian?
who were the original founders of the Freemasons?
I mean what were their names?

I'm not going to do your research for you. The original meeting place was in the basement of a church.

The concept of pluralism came from the founding fathers of this country. Part of the basis of this country was freedom. Free to worship as we choose. While I am Christian, I have attended many churches in my life. If your honest and open about your faith I think all you can do is learn. Unfortunately not everyone feels that way.

 

[Rhamiel]

I'm not going to do your research for you. The original meeting place was in the basement of a church.

The concept of pluralism came from the founding fathers of this country. Part of the basis of this country was freedom. Free to worship as we choose. While I am Christian, I have attended many churches in my life. If your honest and open about your faith I think all you can do is learn. Unfortunately not everyone feels that way.

you made the claim that the founders of the Freemasons were Christians, and now you do not even back that up with facts
we are just to assume that they were

The Freemasons have fomented wars against Christian Governments
like the colonial government of the British Colonies, now the United States
and replaced it with secular governments that deny the authority of Christ.

 

[Simpleman25]

Where's your proof that this happened from masons?

 

[Stephanus]

Where's your proof that this happened from masons?

for example in Mexico during Cristero war

On 28 May 1926, Calles was awarded a medal of merit from the head of Mexico's Scottish rite of Freemasonry for his actions against the Catholics.[17]

I believe that 70000 killed is a proof

 

[Simpleman25]

for example in Mexico during Cristero war

On 28 May 1926, Calles was awarded a medal of merit from the head of Mexico's Scottish rite of Freemasonry for his actions against the Catholics.[17]

I believe that 70000 killed is a prove

No that's not 'prove' or proof that masons were behind what happened. All it says it's that this person was a mason. Quite a stretch to say masons were behind it.

 

[Defensor Christi]

First off the men I know that are in both tell me how similar they are. I have only what they tell me to go by.

I'm not chastising Catholicism. These are the same questions I've posed to Catholic friends and family.

It is not possible to be both KofC and Mason...one cannot be Mason and Catholic. If a Catholic is a member of the mason he incurs automatic excommunication...and is outside the Church...

The Church has imposed the penalty of excommunication on Catholics who become Freemasons. The penalty of excommunication for joining the Masonic Lodge was explicit in the 1917 code of canon law (canon 2335), and it is implicit in the 1983 code (canon 1374).

Because the revised code of canon law is not explicit on this point, some drew the mistaken conclusion that the Church's prohibition of Freemasonry had been dropped. As a result of this confusion, shortly before the 1983 code was promulgated, the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a statement indicating that the penalty was still in force. This statement was dated November 26, 1983 and may be found in <Origins> 13/27 (Nov. 15, 1983), 450.

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[Blackwater Babe]

Free Masons, why are they bad?

Meh, better than overpriced masons.

 

[Simpleman25]

It is not possible to be both KofC and Mason...one cannot be Mason and Catholic. If a Catholic is a member of the mason he incurs automatic excommunication...and is outside the Church...

The Church has imposed the penalty of excommunication on Catholics who become Freemasons. The penalty of excommunication for joining the Masonic Lodge was explicit in the 1917 code of canon law (canon 2335), and it is implicit in the 1983 code (canon 1374).

Because the revised code of canon law is not explicit on this point, some drew the mistaken conclusion that the Church's prohibition of Freemasonry had been dropped. As a result of this confusion, shortly before the 1983 code was promulgated, the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a statement indicating that the penalty was still in force. This statement was dated November 26, 1983 and may be found in <Origins> 13/27 (Nov. 15, 1983), 450.

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I can understand how you feel, that doesn't deter from the facts. There are many, many men that belong to both.

I'm not here to question why Catholics do what they do. I'm here to answer questions honestly about Freemasonry.

 

[Defensor Christi]

I can understand how you feel, that doesn't deter from the facts. There are many, many men that belong to both.

They THINK they belong to both...but they dont. The only belong to the Masons...they set themselves outside the Church through their disobedience...

I'm not here to question why Catholics do what they do. I'm here to answer questions honestly about Freemasonry.

Understood...I hope you are receiving adequate answers.

 

[mark46]

This is a Catholic forum.

Outsiders are not allowed to argue against the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

The RCC teaches that Catholics cannot be members of the masons. They are automatically excommunicated and not part of the Church. What they consider themselves matters little.

I can understand how you feel, that doesn't deter from the facts. There are many, many men that belong to both.

I'm not here to question why Catholics do what they do. I'm here to answer questions honestly about Freemasonry.