Flight of Christians from Mid-East Reaches Syria, What can you and I do?????

[DennisTate]

I'm not sure there is much that you can do unless maybe you find a way to get cash and supplies to the Christian refugees. There might already be a charity in place or if one had the time, know how, etc.. to get one started themselves that could be of help.

I kind of like the idea of producing a series of documentary, reality and semi-reality films where 937 or more Christians, Bahai's, Jews and other minorities who are in danger of being killed in some Arab nation become actors playing the role of refugees on perhaps the M. S. St. Louis! The film is set supposedly in 1939 but ......the result is that they end up living in Canada and or the Dominican Republic or some other much safer nation????!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/notes/denn...ician-the-film-series-concept/310416062401072
Canada's Worst Politician, the film series concept?!

 

[smaneck]

Actions speak louder than words.

How about the western media's demonization of Putin and the ROC over the prison sentence given to a punk rock band in Russia? The same actions that would have put them in jail in Canada or the UK, yet the west cries foul when it involves the Russian Church.

They imprison punk rock bands in Canada?

How about support given to Egypt and the Muslim brotherhood, who continually oppress the Copts?

Uh, we aren't giving support to the Muslim brotherhood. Last I heard we were giving support to the Egyptian military that just throw the Muslim Brotherhood out.

Or Israel's oppression of Christians in the West Bank and Jerusalem?

LOL. They aren't being oppressed because they are Christians, they are being oppressed because they are Palestinians.

Turkey's actions in Cyprus?

Are you talking about their invasion thirty years ago? Last I heard the "West" didn't support that.

Supporting Islamic terror in the Balkans?

I think what you really mean is suppressing Serb terrorism.

 

[Lovely Jar]

What can we do?
Stay out of Syria!
Muslim's who convert to Christianity know they're risking death there. It's apostasy.
Christians who enter into a Muslim country and presume to tell the majority of people, in a country known for violence in the name of Islam, that they're damned wrong are hungry for martyrdom. So be it.

It's like walking into a black panther meeting and saying the N word over and over again while wearing a KKK uniform.
You just don't do it!
Unless you don't mind dying.

 

[smaneck]

What can we do?
Stay out of Syria!
Muslim's who convert to Christianity know they're risking death there. It's apostasy.
Christians who enter into a Muslim country and presume to tell the majority of people, in a country known for violence in the name of Islam, that they're damned wrong are hungry for martyrdom. So be it.

Uh, we aren't talking about Muslims who convert to Christianity or about Christians going to a Muslim country to proselytize. We are talking about a Christian community which has been present in Syria for as long as Christianity itself. You may remember a certain dude named Paul headed off to Damascus looking for them nearly 2000 years ago.

 

[Mikeb85]

They imprison punk rock bands in Canada?

People have been convicted and served jail time for insulting religions, never mind breaking into a church mid-service to perform a hateful song... Anyhow yes, in Canada there are strict anti-hate laws, which override any notions of 'free speech'. And yes, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] Riot would serve jail time in Canada for what they did, according to our laws.

Uh, we aren't giving support to the Muslim brotherhood. Last I heard we were giving support to the Egyptian military that just throw the Muslim Brotherhood out.

Your government actually was.

LOL. They aren't being oppressed because they are Christians, they are being oppressed because they are Palestinians.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking more about things like this: Recognition of new Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem — PIEF

Oppression of Palestinians isn't any better though.

Are you talking about their invasion thirty years ago? Last I heard the "West" didn't support that.

No, but they're extending EU membership to a nation which not only has not acknowledged their guilt in several crimes against humanity, but is openly hostile to Cyprus - there still is no resolution to the conflict.

I think what you really mean is suppressing Serb terrorism.

Serbian terrorism eh?

Terrorist Organization Profile - START - National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism
EU judge remands Kosovo 'terrorism' suspects — EUbusiness - European Union news for business
Refworld | 2009 Country Reports on Terrorism - Kosovo
NATO Complicity? Terrorist Attacks directed against Serbian Population in Kosovo | Global Research
LiveLeak.com - Kosovo Albanian Terrorist kill Serbs for organs

There's plenty of evidence of Islamic terrorism in Kosovo, and the evidence against the Serbs is thin. Albanian terrorists continue attacking Serbs to this day, where's the Serbian terror?

 

[Mikeb85]

What can we do?
Stay out of Syria!
Muslim's who convert to Christianity know they're risking death there. It's apostasy.
Christians who enter into a Muslim country and presume to tell the majority of people, in a country known for violence in the name of Islam, that they're damned wrong are hungry for martyrdom. So be it.

It's like walking into a black panther meeting and saying the N word over and over again while wearing a KKK uniform.
You just don't do it!
Unless you don't mind dying.

Christians were in Syria 2000 years ago. Long before Mohammed lived, long before Islam, and Christians have been in Syria continuously for 2000 years. The Arab Muslims are the foreigners...

 

[smaneck]

People have been convicted and served jail time for insulting religions, never mind breaking into a church mid-service to perform a hateful song... Anyhow yes, in Canada there are strict anti-hate laws, which override any notions of 'free speech'. And yes, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] Riot would serve jail time in Canada for what they did, according to our laws.

Jail time, maybe. But these kids were sentenced to two years!

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking more about things like this: Recognition of new Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem — PIEF

So your problem is they are recognizing a Patriarch you don't recognize. Somehow I don't think that falls under the category of persecution. Interference, maybe.

No, but they're extending EU membership to a nation which not only has not acknowledged their guilt in several crimes against humanity,

You realize that the modern state of Turkey is not the same state as the Ottoman Empire? If a country's actions under a different state disqualifies them for membership in the EU, then Germany should definitely be excluded.

but is openly hostile to Cyprus - there still is no resolution to the conflict.

Yeah, because there are both Turks and Greeks there.

Serbian terrorism eh?

I consider genocide and rape to be acts of terrorism.

 

[Mikeb85]

I consider genocide and rape to be acts of terrorism.

I consider an absence of evidence to cast doubt on said claims, especially when doubt is voiced by NATO and UN commanders in a war crimes tribunal...

And Muslim terrorism continues to this day, where is the Serbian terrorism?

You've shown zero references to support any of your claims, I would have expected more...

By the way, no Serbian leader has been convicted of genocide, although they just recently decided to retry Radovan Karadzic despite his being acquitted last year...

 

[Mikeb85]

Jail time, maybe. But these kids were sentenced to two years!

Videos are posted online of what they did. They likely would have got similar sentences in Canada, the UK, and Germany. People have been jailed in Germany for longer periods merely for denying the holocaust (without committing any actual acts of violence or hate).

 

[Mikeb85]

More interesting evidence that casts doubt over the genocide of Muslims at the hands of the Serbs:

Was ‘Srebrenica genocide’ a hoax?
What Happened at Srebrenica? Examination of the Forensic Evidence | Global Research

 

[smaneck]

I consider an absence of evidence to cast doubt on said claims, especially when doubt is voiced by NATO and UN commanders in a war crimes tribunal...

The Hague found plenty of evidence.

And Muslim terrorism continues to this day, where is the Serbian terrorism?

The Serbs stopped because they were brought to justice. When enough Muslim terrorists are brought to justice, they will stop too.

You've shown zero references to support any of your claims, I would have expected more...

I really don't have time to review all the evidence for something that was already established at the Hague. You have certainly not produced any evidence that there is a Western conspiracy against Orthodox Christianity.

By the way, no Serbian leader has been convicted of genocide, although they just recently decided to retry Radovan Karadzic despite his being acquitted last year...

Apparently you never heard of Zdravko Tolimir?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/w...-serb-army-is-convicted-of-genocide.html?_r=0

Or Vujadin Popovic and Ljubisa Beara?

Bosnian Serbs convicted of Srebrenica genocide | Law | The Guardian

How about Radislav Krstic?

Former Bosnian Serb General Found Guilty of Genocide - ABC News

Is that enough documentation for you?

Yeah, I know the Hague is just a plot against the Orthodox Church.

Give me a break!

 

[Mikeb85]

The Hague found plenty of evidence.

And yet Radovan Karadzic was acquitted last year (though they're re-trying him).

The Serbs stopped because they were brought to justice. When enough Muslim terrorists are brought to justice, they will stop too.

All the cases of Islamic terror in Kosovo that I brought up were after NATO intervened - it was done under the watch of the UN and NATO.

The Serbs fought a war to stop terror. The West is helping the terrorists.

Ask your Baha'i friends who have actually lived in Iran if the Muslim terrorists will ever stop.

I really don't have time to review all the evidence for something that was already established at the Hague. You have certainly not produced any evidence that there is a Western conspiracy against Orthodox Christianity.

You're right. All these things are just coincidence.

Apparently you never heard of Zdravko Tolimir?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/w...-serb-army-is-convicted-of-genocide.html?_r=0

Or Vujadin Popovic and Ljubisa Beara?

Bosnian Serbs convicted of Srebrenica genocide | Law | The Guardian

How about Radislav Krstic?

Former Bosnian Serb General Found Guilty of Genocide - ABC News

Is that enough documentation for you?

I said leaders, not soldiers. I know there have been convictions...

Yeah, I know the Hague is just a plot against the Orthodox Church.

Give me a break!

The Hague is a kangaroo court, even the US knows it. American Service-Members' Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[smaneck]

And yet Radovan Karadzic was acquitted last year (though they're re-trying him).

One guy gets acquitted, therefore there is no genocide? In any case Radovan Karadzic was acquitted of only *one* of the many charges against him.

All the cases of Islamic terror in Kosovo that I brought up were after NATO intervened - it was done under the watch of the UN and NATO.

In other words, it was likely in revenge for what had been done to them.

The Serbs fought a war to stop terror.

You don't fight a war against terrorism by raping women and carrying out mass deportations and executions. If these things are okay then what the Turks did to the Armenians is okay too.

Ask your Baha'i friends who have actually lived in Iran if the Muslim terrorists will ever stop.

Payam Akhavan, a Baha'i born in Iran served as one of the prosecutors of Slobodan Milošević. He now seeks to bring the Iranian leadership up on charges of crimes against humanity. But no Baha'i is ever going to rape women, massacre people or carry out ethnic cleansing against Muslims.

I said leaders, not soldiers. I know there have been convictions...

Excuse me, these were generals, not foot soldiers. You said no lSerb eader had been convicted. Last I heard generals lead armies. I'm not suggesting that the genocides were carried out by the president of the Serbian PTA.

The Hague is a kangaroo court, even the US knows it.

LOL. You really think that is the reason the US won't allow cases against it to be adjudicated by the Hague? We think we are above international law. That's why we invaded Iraq.

 

[Mikeb85]

In other words, it was likely in revenge for what had been done to them.

This alone shows your true colors.

Islamic terrorism occurs in every part of the world. The fact that you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt when there is so much evidence to the contrary shows you're incapable of critical thinking.

 

[smaneck]

This alone shows your true colors.

Islamic terrorism occurs in every part of the world. The fact that you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt when there is so much evidence to the contrary shows you're incapable of critical thinking.

Guess what? 99.999% of the Muslims in the world are not terrorists. But if you think they are, I guess that justifies genocide.

 

[Mikeb85]

Guess what? 99.999% of the Muslims in the world are not terrorists.

Of course they aren't. My wife is Muslim. My wife's entire family is Muslim. They aren't terrorists, nor are most of the Muslims I know.

And Muslim extremists kill more Muslims than they do people of other faiths. Look at how many people are dying in Iraq right now.

But if you think they are, I guess that justifies genocide.

Nothing justifies genocide. The point is that there is plenty of evidence that there was no 'genocide', but rather acts of war that are justified to defend against terrorism.

What is happening in Syria right now is on par with what happened in Serbia (casualty-wise) with more displaced citizens. But no one is calling this genocide, despite the religious tensions that are at play...

 

[DennisTate]

Of course they aren't. My wife is Muslim. My wife's entire family is Muslim. They aren't terrorists, nor are most of the Muslims I know.

And Muslim extremists kill more Muslims than they do people of other faiths. Look at how many people are dying in Iraq right now.



Nothing justifies genocide. The point is that there is plenty of evidence that there was no 'genocide', but rather acts of war that are justified to defend against terrorism.

What is happening in Syria right now is on par with what happened in Serbia (casualty-wise) with more displaced citizens. But no one is calling this genocide, despite the religious tensions that are at play...

God has promised to "restore the lost tribes of Israel."

A massive portion of the lost tribes are now Moslems but the prediction of what must be done in the time of the final Elijah sure fits with what was shown to Mrs. Mary A. Burris:

Mary A Burris:
"February 6, 2009

While spending time with the Lord He reminded me of Ali's funeral (Ali was my first husband who was murdered in 94/95) and how the Holy Spirit had me praying in tongues and in travail for the muslim people's salvation in Christ Jesus.

He assured me that He heard my prayer that day. Suddenly I became very excited in my spirit and asked the Holy Spirit

"What's going on?"

This is what He said:

You'll see... It'll be explosive when it happens. They will flock towards salvation as the hardness is lifted off of their hearts and the scales are removed from their eyes. They are a passionate people but their purpose has not yet been served. Upon the fulfillment of their role in the history of mankind there will be a flood of souls pouring into the kingdom of God for His glory. They have been scorned, they have been accused, but the ones who are pure in heart shall see God. When He reveals Himself to them in all His glory they will prostrate themselves before Him in a way they have never done before. When He opens the eyes of their understanding and unstops their ears to hear what His Holy Spirit is revealing the waves of tears of repentance will flood the ground they occupy and they will be purged once and for all time of the stains of their unbelief. The Lord is calling out for a pure and holy nation before God and He will do as He chooses and choose as He pleases and mankind will truly stand in awe of His mighty Majesty and Splendor as the precious souls are ushered into His kingdom.

GIVE HIM PRAISE AND GLORY!" (Mary A. Burris)

 

[DennisTate]

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Ecclesiasticus Chapter 48
[1] And Elias the prophet stood up, as a fire, and his word burnt like a torch...............Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. [10] Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob."

I'm sorry for repeating these verses so often but...........they are extremely important!!!!!

Wow....AT EIGHT MINUTES IN THE FILM IT IS STATED THAT THE ISRAELIS NOW HAVE TESTIMONY FROM A BODYGUARD OF MR. YASSAR ARAFAT THAT THIS BODYGUARD WAS PREPARED TO KILL MR. ARAFAT IF HE HAD SIGNED ANY SORT OF AGREEMENT AT CAMP DAVID!!!!

Zvi Misinai- "Are Palestinians in fact Jews?" on Vimeo

Zvi Misinai- "Are Palestinians in fact Jews?"
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"Are Palestinians in fact Jews?" with Tsvi MiSinai & Professor Joseph Ben Dak
Thursday, March 1, 4:00pm

Tzvi MiSinai, one of Israel's most successful high-tech entrepreneurs, promotes a provocative and controversial thesis, which he claims has a strong scientific and anthropological/historical basis - namely, that many if not most of today's Palestinian Arabs are descendants of Jews.

His "Engagement" project focuses on studies regarding the identity of Palestinians and proposes a radical peace plan based on the surprising findings.
Join us for a thought-provoking, as well as entertaining, presentation with a brief film and remarks from Engagement activists including:
Tsvi MiSinai - A pioneer of the Israeli software industry (Sapiens) and the founder of the Engagement movement.

Kayis Mazarib - A Bedouin former IDF officer and assistant to President Shimon Peres.
Prof. Joseph Ben Dak - A former assistant to the UN General Secretary on science and technology.
David Ish Shalom - One of the architects of the Oslo process and today an Engagement activist.
youtube.com/watch?v=IQCr7GaVMWA
(The Engagement is an organization that advocates incorporating an understanding of the long-term history of the Holy Land and its people into current and future peace plans. MiSinai and Professor Ben Dak argue that "...a solid majority of the Palestinians... are descendants of the people of Israel who remained in the country following the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple. The ancestors of most of the Palestinians were forced to convert, mainly to Islam...". The group's premise is based on scientific research demonstrating a closer genetic match between the Jewish and Arab Palestinian communities than between Palestinians and other Arabs.)

 

[Supreme]

Of course they aren't. My wife is Muslim. My wife's entire family is Muslim. They aren't terrorists, nor are most of the Muslims I know.

And Muslim extremists kill more Muslims than they do people of other faiths. Look at how many people are dying in Iraq right now.



Nothing justifies genocide. The point is that there is plenty of evidence that there was no 'genocide', but rather acts of war that are justified to defend against terrorism.

What is happening in Syria right now is on par with what happened in Serbia (casualty-wise) with more displaced citizens. But no one is calling this genocide, despite the religious tensions that are at play...

What happened in the Balkans in the 1990s can be called nothing but genocide. Indeed, there is a case to be made that the current generation of Islamic terrorists were inspired partly by the genocide to take up arms, as they felt that Muslims were being oppressed by a Christian-Jewish conspiracy. Even today, many Muslims believe there's a Christian-Jewish-Hindu-Buddhist conspiracy to destroy Islam and kill Muslims.

 

[smaneck]

Nothing justifies genocide. The point is that there is plenty of evidence that there was no 'genocide', but rather acts of war that are justified to defend against terrorism.

Excuse me, but rape is never a justified act of war. An estimated 20,000-50,000 women were raped by the Army of the Republika Srpska. In places like Foča, the Muslim men were summarily executed, the women raped, and the mosques pulled to the ground. Destroying mosques is likewise not a legitimate act of war. The mass execution of 8000 men in Srebrenica was not a legitimate act of war. They were gathered up among the refugee population, taken away, executed in the night and their bodies were bulldozed into a mass grave.

What is happening in Syria right now is on par with what happened in Serbia (casualty-wise) with more displaced citizens. But no one is calling this genocide, despite the religious tensions that are at play...

It is not the number of casualties which make something a genocide, it is the way in which such killings occur and the intention of those killings. I think it is quite possible that what is happening in Syria will end in genocide but probably not against the Christian community. As much as I can't stand Assad the Alawite community will likely be massacred if he is thrown out of power without a negotiated solution.