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It was - and it still exists to an extent, but does not carry real influence system wide. Like and other denomination, there are adherents that follow some schisms, but the schism doesn't define the whole.One of the more influential and growing movements within the larger Pentecostal/Charismatic sphere is NAR.
Producing fruit does though. If new believers (the precious fruit of the Earth) are not being added, then the organization (Denomination) is not reaching the lost, which is a direct command of our Lord Jesus Christ.I don't think "church growth" is a good metric for spiritual health or gauging the power and work of the Spirit. More important things are spiritual formation, biblical and theological literacy, faithfulness, and discipleship.
-CryptoLutheran
How do you go and make disciples as commanded and not grow?
Is growing a flock a numbers game? Or is it the result of being a good shepherd?Is disciple-making a numbers game?
Nope -If a thousand people join a religious movement or group, does that alone constitute disciple-making?
What if they do?Let's say a thousand people join a religious movement every day for a month, that's a lot of people--but what if none of those people are being taught what Jesus said? What if none of them are being fed and nourished spiritually, and there is no call to to change and daily repentance.
Both are hypothetical in nature - you can't give a specific answer to a hypothetical. Unless you are calling one group not a Christian group, which will get you banned here. So I can not and will not address your hypothetical.Let's also add a comparison, let's say in the same month span one person jointed a religious group, but is being taught what Jesus said, is being fed and nourished spiritually, there is the preaching of repentance, and of mercy and forgiveness, and there is a call to daily discipleship for that one new convert.
How about the third metric? A tree which is bearing much fruit and has produced trees world wide all bearing much fruit?What should be our metric of spiritual health? A tree with many branches but bearing no fruit; or a tree with a single branch bearing rich fruit?
-CryptoLutheran
Denomination | Key Characteristics |
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Baptist | Emphasizes believer’s baptism by immersion and congregational governance. Includes groups like the Southern Baptist Convention and American Baptist Churches USA. |
Pentecostal | Focuses on the gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and healing. Includes Assemblies of God and Church of God (Cleveland, TN). |
Methodist | Originated with John Wesley; emphasizes personal holiness and social justice. Includes United Methodist Church, Wesleyan Church, and Free Methodist Church. |
Presbyterian (Evangelical branches) | Governed by elders; emphasizes Reformed theology. Some branches, like the Evangelical Presbyterian Church, are considered evangelical. |
Non-denominational Evangelical Churches | Independent churches that uphold evangelical beliefs without formal ties to a denomination. Examples include Life.Church and Elevation Church. |
Charismatic Movements | Found within various denominations (even Catholic and Anglican), emphasizing spiritual gifts and personal experience with the Holy Spirit. |
Group | Description |
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Pentecostal Churches | These are foundational to the Charismatic tradition. Includes denominations like the Assemblies of God, Church of God (Cleveland, TN), and International Pentecostal Holiness Church. |
Charismatic Movement within Mainline Churches | Emerged in the 1960s–70s, bringing charismatic practices into historic denominations like the Episcopal Church, Lutheran Church, and Presbyterian Church. |
Catholic Charismatic Renewal | A movement within the Roman Catholic Church that embraces charismatic worship and spiritual gifts, especially since the late 1960s. |
Neo-Charismatic Churches | Independent or non-denominational churches that embrace charismatic theology but aren’t formally Pentecostal. Examples include Vineyard Churches, Calvary Chapel, and Hillsong Church. |
Third Wave Movement | A more recent wave of charismatic influence, often found in churches like the Association of Vineyard Churches and other evangelical groups that emphasize signs and wonders without traditional Pentecostal structures. |
I agree - and that produces fruit and causes growth. I've been doing it for 40+ years and it never fails to produce fruit.The answer to your question, "How do you show you have ecclesial authority and divine favour", seems very obvious. You do what is pleasing to God, you teach what is true, and you don't divert from those two things.
why are you telling me about your ministry and life. I had answered a question that you raised about what a priest would do in a typical week. my answer was straightforward: why not ask a priest?Moved from the other thread - it really belongs here:
I agree - and that produces fruit and causes growth. I've been doing it for 40+ years and it never fails to produce fruit.
Acts 2:46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
Amen - and that is exactly what I have been doing for 4 decades and it produces fruit and the church grows every time.The answer to your question, "How do you show you have ecclesial authority and divine favour", seems very obvious. You do what is pleasing to God, you teach what is true, and you don't divert from those two things.
answered in the other thread where it is on topic.why are you telling me about your ministry and life. I had answered a question that you raised about what a priest would do in a typical week. my answer was straightforward: why not ask a priest?
The fastest-growing church in the world today is widely considered to be the underground evangelical church in Iran. According to research from Operation World and reports from The Gospel Coalition, Iran has the highest rate of evangelical growth globally, despite intense persecution and legal restrictions on Christian practiceThe fastest-growing Christian denomination globally is Pentecostalism, particularly its Charismatic expressions. Estimates suggest it has grown from fewer than 1 million adherents in 1900 to over 500 million by 2025, with projections to reach 1 billion by 2050. This growth, driven by high conversion rates and active evangelism, is especially strong in the Global South—Africa, Asia, and Latin America—where Pentecostals thrive in economically distressed areas, offering vibrant worship and community networks. Annual growth rates for Pentecostals and Charismatics are around 1.88%, outpacing other Christian groups like Evangelicals (1.8%) and Catholics (1.3%).
The fastest-growing Christian denomination globally is Pentecostalism, particularly its Charismatic expressions. Estimates suggest it has grown from fewer than 1 million adherents in 1900 to over 500 million by 2025, with projections to reach 1 billion by 2050. This growth, driven by high conversion rates and active evangelism, is especially strong in the Global South—Africa, Asia, and Latin America—where Pentecostals thrive in economically distressed areas, offering vibrant worship and community networks. Annual growth rates for Pentecostals and Charismatics are around 1.88%, outpacing other Christian groups like Evangelicals (1.8%) and Catholics (1.3%).
The fastest-growing church in the world today is widely considered to be the underground evangelical church in Iran. According to research from Operation World and reports from The Gospel Coalition, Iran has the highest rate of evangelical growth globally, despite intense persecution and legal restrictions on Christian practice
I am curious to know, why you started this thread? Do you attach some significance or something, like divine approval for instance, to The growth rate of churches?Yes in ONE COUNTRY Evangelical growth rate is higher than the Evangelical Growth rate globally.
It is found in the title and OPI am curious to know, why you started this thread?
No. That is something mentioned only by you.Do you attach some significance or something, like divine approval for instance, to The growth rate of churches?
I am not so sure that it is profitable for either of us, to exchange messages on any topic.It is found in the title and OP
No. That is something mentioned only by you.
That decision is yours - Personally, I like being challenged and I have learned a couple of things from you.I am not so sure that it is profitable for either of us, to exchange messages on any topic.
Is growing a flock a numbers game? Or is it the result of being a good shepherd?
Nope -
What if they do?
Both are hypothetical in nature - you can't give a specific answer to a hypothetical. Unless you are calling one group not a Christian group, which will get you banned here. So I can not and will not address your hypothetical.
How about the third metric? A tree which is bearing much fruit and has produced trees world wide all bearing much fruit?