...Do you even believe in Evolution in the first palce?

[HitchSlap]

It is 4.57 billion years old, but it has only been in existence for a little over 6000 years.

So how do you intend to support your assertion?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

It is 4.57 billion years old, but it has only been in existence for a little over 6000 years.

If the earth is 4.5 billion years old then it has been in existence for 4.5 billion years. They are inseparable concepts.

 

[pjnlsn]

It is 4.57 billion years old, but it has only been in existence for a little over 6000 years.

It is more likely that the earth is closer to 4.57 billion years old and has been in existence that long than that it is closer to 6000 or that it has been in existence that long.

 

[driewerf]

So whales created before land animals wouldn't be a miracle?

No, it's just one more error in an old book.

 

[driewerf]

Evolution is replete with cons,fakes,frauds,cover ups etc - as stated elsewhere via google try [The Grand Experiment]/Living fossils by Dr.Carl Werner - twinc

Trofim Lysenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[driewerf]

Given "evolutionism" is a stupid buzzword that doesn't refer to anything real I'd say you're just blowing smoke.

Twinc is even more than wrong. Stalin became under influence of Trofim Lysenko, who formulated some alternative to darwinism. Soviet agriculture had to follow the ideas of Lysenko, and university researches who teached the ToE were actively purged from the universities.
This resulted in desastrous crop failures for the Soviet agriculture. In the mean time, the US agriculture embraced the ToE and florished.

 

[driewerf]

It may be an effective word (for some) in misleading propaganda, insinuating, as it does, that acceptance of evolution is a belief system comparable with religions.

The problems are that

1) It denigrates religions
2) It is silly. Do we say, "atomism" for those who "believe" in atoms? "Gravitationalism" for those who "believe" in theories of gravity? Are Newton gravitationalists heretics to Einstinian ones, and vice-versa?
3) People who are not creationists accept modern geology, astronomy, physics, cosmology etc. Why pick out evolutionary theory?

I suggest you use "non-creationists" rather then "evolutionists".

or simply go with ""science-minded".

 

[Alithis]

all wasted argument

any and every person will only ever see that which they have determined in their heart to see .
thus the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God
i have determined in my heart to see it that way and none shall convince me otherwise .
many evolutionists have come and are now Gone
yet still God is... I have determined in my heart to see it this way .

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

all wasted argument

any and every person will only ever see that which they have determined in their heart to see .
thus the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God
i have determined in my heart to see it that way and none shall convince me otherwise .
many evolutionists have come and are now Gone
yet still God is... I have determined in my heart to see it this way .

Lol. I've decided in my heart not to see gravity....whoops











...didn't work. Reality remains stubbornly real despite my presuppositions.

 

[BarryDesborough]

all wasted argument

any and every person will only ever see that which they have determined in their heart to see .
thus the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God
i have determined in my heart to see it that way and none shall convince me otherwise .
many evolutionists have come and are now Gone
yet still God is... I have determined in my heart to see it this way .

Don't worry. I'll find your brain for you and put it back in.

 

[In situ]

When God performs a miracle it can be anything, meaning it doesn't have to follow the laws of physics.

Nor is reality obligated to follow the laws of physics. The laws is based on human collected experience and observations not on a "truth" about the universe.

So if something is classified as a miracle, then it's not a challenge to any scientific theories, since science doesn't apply to it.

But it wont.

Something can at most be classified as a mystery, i.e. we don't know the causes for it, but not a miracle. If one defines a miracle as something we cannot explain the causes for then the basic function of our computers, smartphones, microwaves, TV set, wash machines and almost anything you can find in a normal household is based on miracles.

The science in question is still correct in all non-miraculous circumstances.

Yes, but miracles are impossible....

For example look at Joshua 10:13

The sun and moon stand still in the sky for an entire day. Obviously this can't happen according to the theories of gravity, momentum, and celestial mechanics.

The laws of physics does not tell the universe how it must operate and that is the reason why we require theories to be falsified. Therefore these theories does not state it cannot happen, they just state that they cannot explain such events. The laws of physics is the human collected knowledge about the universe. They universe does just as it please and don't care about how we think it should works.

But those laws didn't apply during that period, because God suspended them. But in normal circumstances (i.e. all other times) they still apply and work.

The laws still applies but the laws we have now does not include such events, at best one can say such event is not possible to explained with current laws of physics.

Let say, as far we know it is highly unlikely that such thing ever happen and it safe to assume it is a myth only. But if the Sun and the Moon now and then stopped their traversal of the sky, we might had a theory that explain that as well, but the Sun and the Moon does not behave like this so their is no need for our current theories to include such events. In other words; their is no such event that requires to be explained. Therefor it is not a miracle but an, singular, unexplained phenomena that most likely is a made up story; you may say an urban myth of those days that still persist today. However scientific theories are not obligated to explain every urban myth in their theories and that is why it not an explained phenomena but that does not make it a miracle...

 

[In situ]

my pastor would not agree with me that the earth is 4.57 billion years old; but he would agree with me that it was created just over 6000 years ago.

Does this imply you decided what you belief by voting?

 

[In situ]

Note that the canoe has two ages: one existential (brand new), and one physical (one thousand years).

I think most people have noticed that. The same people also notice the timber has atoms which been synthesised in a supernova explosion some 10 billion years ago.

What is your point?

 

[Alithis]

Lol. I've decided in my heart not to see gravity....whoops

...didn't work. Reality remains stubbornly real despite my presuppositions.

well no - it affirms my point
i can chose to not see gravity - did it change it ? nope

same same . i can also choose to disagree with every argument given-
wont matter if its correct or not .
if i have chosen to disagree .there is no further point arguing the issue -
a person will never agree with that which they do not wish to agree with .

just being honest about it

 

[AV1611VET]

So how do you intend to support your assertion?

With Boolean accuracy.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

well no - it affirms my point
i can chose to not see gravity - did it change it ? nope

same same . i can also choose to disagree with every argument given-
wont matter if its correct or not .
if i have chosen to disagree .there is no further point arguing the issue -
a person will never agree with that which they do not wish to agree with .

just being honest about it

Well reality won't change but you could choose to change your mind

 

[AV1611VET]

If the earth is 4.5 billion years old then it has been in existence for 4.5 billion years. They are inseparable concepts.

How old was Adam the day he was created?

If you say "one day old," then explain to me how a one day old man got married.

And if you do it by essentially saying: God did it, then I submit the same answer as an exception to your 'inseparable concepts.'

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

How old was Adam the day he was created?

If you say "one day old," then explain to me how a one day old man got married.

And if you do it by essentially saying: God did it, then I submit the same answer as an exception to your 'inseparable concepts.'

If a thing came into existence a day ago then it's a day old.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does this imply you decided what you belief by voting?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think most people have noticed that. The same people also notice the timber has atoms which been synthesised in a supernova explosion some 10 billion years ago.

What is your point?

That the canoe has two ages: physical & existential.