What exactly is the law?

[squint]

it is enough even the fact that the Word says:

I think we kinda got lost on what happened to the Word of the Old Testament didn't we?

Oh well. I never really expected otherwise.

s

 

[bugkiller]

here is one example:

Matthew 3:12 "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

Blessings

Please explain how this renews anything.

bugkiller

 

[toLiJC]

I think we kinda got lost on what happened to the Word of the Old Testament didn't we?

Oh well. I never really expected otherwise.

s

simply, satan had an inner/domestic power in the time before the New Testament, whereby it was able to hold the believers under great enslavement to the vanity, that's why there were such inimical ordinances in the old testament, because satan was able to act in the God's appearance as a God insomuch that it ordered the israelites to: avenge(Exodus 21:23-25), stone(Deuteronomy 22:13-21), curse(Numbers 5:12-31), discriminate/hate(Deuteronomy 23:1-6), disregard/neglect(Deuteronomy 24:1-4), etc., but thanks to God through Jesus Christ our Lord the devil's inner/domestic power has been permanently destroyed together with the power of the inimical ordinances in His Sanctuary

John 14:30 "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world(i.e. the wicked) cometh, and hath nothing in me.",

John 12:31-32 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out(viz. now the whole inner/domestic power of satan will permanently be destroyed). And I, if(i.e. and when) I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.",

Matthew 27:50-56 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom(viz. all inimical/pernicious ordinances in God's covenant/testament has been annulled); and the earth did quake(viz. the powers did shake), and the rocks rent(viz. and the whole inner/domestic power of satan has permanently been removed/destroyed); And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.",

Colossians 2:14-15 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(i.e. annulling the human/satanic part of the ordinances in God's covenant/testament) that was against us(i.e. which was prejudicial against the people), which was contrary to us(i.e. which was adverse to us), and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers(i.e. having denounced the unrighteous spiritual/religious systems and powers), he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

Blessings

 

[fhansen]

This is relevant to the topic:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7722305/

the law was broken from the beginning (and what is the law if not broken?)

In the end all that the law is trying to teach us is that man isn't genuinely subjugated to God merely by virtue of being subjugated to His law. True subjugation is a spiritual matter while the other is a legalistic one.

We're still obligated to do the right thing but our obligation-what justice demands-is our subjugation to God, entering into true relationship with Him whereupon we receive grace, the gift of His life, rather than subjugating ourselves to the law, which can only produce a pretense of subjugation to Him at best. If man hadn't fallen via disobedience of God, then no law would've been necessary-he would've remained in obedience/subjugation.

 

[football5680]

The law is the 5 books of Moses, also called the Torah. The 5 books are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

 

[bugkiller]

simply, satan had an inner/domestic power in the time before the New Testament, whereby it was able to hold the believers under great enslavement to the vanity, that's why there were such inimical ordinances in the old testament, because satan was able to act in the God's appearance as a God insomuch that it ordered the israelites to: avenge(Exodus 21:23-25), stone(Deuteronomy 22:13-21), curse(Numbers 5:12-31), discriminate/hate(Deuteronomy 23:1-6), disregard/neglect(Deuteronomy 24:1-4), etc., but thanks to God through Jesus Christ our Lord the devil's inner/domestic power has been permanently destroyed together with the power of the inimical ordinances in His Sanctuary

Please list these inimical ordinances.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The law is the 5 books of Moses, also called the Torah. The 5 books are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

Now that is probably the clearest statement in this thread.

bugkiller

 

[football5680]

Now that is probably the clearest statement in this thread.

bugkiller

Thanks.

 

[someguy14]

What exactly is the law?

Love.

 

[someguy14]

Can one prosper by serving killing, stealing and destroying? Yes. In wicked, perishing ways.

Can one prosper by serving God? Yes. In Love, the eternal way.

One way leads unto destruction. One way leads unto God.

 

[toLiJC]

Please list these inimical ordinances.

bugkiller

here they are:

for vengeance
Leviticus 24:19-20 "if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.",

and the relevant denouncement against it
Matthew 5:38-42 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek(i.e. but if some human is evil to you), turn to him the other also(i.e. be only Good to it). And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat(i.e. and if some human wants to receive a good(-ness) from you), let him have thy cloak also(i.e. give it the best of you). And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile(i.e. and if any human wants from you to do/make a good together with it), go with him twain(i.e. go with it giving the best of you). Give to him that asketh thee(i.e. give the good things which you can provide to the human who demands them from you), and from him that would borrow of thee(viz. good things) turn not thou away.",

for stoning
Deuteronomy 22:13-21 "If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the harlot in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.",

and the relevant denouncement against it
John 8:3-11 "the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not(viz. in order to remind them about the Ten Commandments written with the Finger of God). So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her(viz. thus you can violate the Ten Commandments). And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground(viz. and He again continues to remind them about the Ten Commandments written with the Finger of God, one of which is: "Thou shalt not kill."). And they which heard it(i.e. and then they understood what exactly He alluded, and), being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more(viz. and it would be good if you also keep the Ten Commandments).",

for cursing
Numbers 5:12-31 "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar: And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law. Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.",

and for discrimination and hate
Deuteronomy 23:1-6 "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee. Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee. Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever.",

and the relevant denouncement against them
Matthew 5:43-48 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun(i.e. His benediction/grace) to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain(i.e. purification) on the just(i.e. on the clerics/believers) and on the unjust(i.e. and on the infidel people). For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) so? Be ye therefore perfect(i.e. perfectly loving/good), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.",

for disregard and neglect
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 "When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.",

and the relevant denouncement against it
Mark 10:2-9 "the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.",

Luke 10:25-37 "And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour? And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise."

and the others suchlike

Blessings

 

[bugkiller]

here they are:

for vengeance
Leviticus 24:19-20 "if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.",

and the relevant denouncement against it
Matthew 5:38-42 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek(i.e. but if some human is evil to you), turn to him the other also(i.e. be only Good to it). And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat(i.e. and if some human wants to receive a good(-ness) from you), let him have thy cloak also(i.e. give it the best of you). And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile(i.e. and if any human wants from you to do/make a good together with it), go with him twain(i.e. go with it giving the best of you). Give to him that asketh thee(i.e. give the good things which you can provide to the human who demands them from you), and from him that would borrow of thee(viz. good things) turn not thou away.",

for stoning
Deuteronomy 22:13-21 "If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the harlot in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.",

and the relevant denouncement against it
John 8:3-11 "the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not(viz. in order to remind them about the Ten Commandments written with the Finger of God). So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her(viz. thus you can violate the Ten Commandments). And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground(viz. and He again continues to remind them about the Ten Commandments written with the Finger of God, one of which is: "Thou shalt not kill."). And they which heard it(i.e. and then they understood what exactly He alluded, and), being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more(viz. and it would be good if you also keep the Ten Commandments).",

for cursing
Numbers 5:12-31 "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar: And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law. Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.",

and for discrimination and hate
Deuteronomy 23:1-6 "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee. Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee. Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever.",

and the relevant denouncement against them
Matthew 5:43-48 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun(i.e. His benediction/grace) to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain(i.e. purification) on the just(i.e. on the clerics/believers) and on the unjust(i.e. and on the infidel people). For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) so? Be ye therefore perfect(i.e. perfectly loving/good), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.",

for disregard and neglect
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 "When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.",

and the relevant denouncement against it
Mark 10:2-9 "the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.",

Luke 10:25-37 "And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour? And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise."

and the others suchlike

Blessings

Here is the definition of inimical -

in·im·i·cal
[ i nímmik'l ]

1. not favorable: unfavorable to something
2. hostile: showing hostility

I ask if do not murder quailfies.

I ask if do not commit adultery qualifies.

I ask if do not lie qualifies.

I ask if do not steal quailfies.

Are these not inimical ordinances? If they are not ordinances they violation can not be called sin (wrong doing). Are any of the one I named natural actions of man? If they are not why are we told not to do these natural things?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Love.

Please explain what you mean. No your one word response is not self explanatory.

bugkiller

 

[fhansen]

Here is the definition of inimical -

in·im·i·cal
[ i nímmik'l ]

1. not favorable: unfavorable to something
2. hostile: showing hostility

I ask if do not murder quailfies.

I ask if do not commit adultery qualifies.

I ask if do not lie qualifies.

I ask if do not steal quailfies.

Are these not inimical ordinances? If they are not ordinances they violation can not be called sin (wrong doing). Are any of the one I named natural actions of man? If they are not why are we told not to do these natural things?

bugkiller

But, then again, why would man be told not to do what comes naturally to him? The truth is that those things must not be natural for him, except in a fallen, graceless state. Otherwise God would be directly responsible for creating murderers, adulterers, liars, etc, i.e. He'd be the author of sin.

 

[bugkiller]

But, then again, why would man be told not to do what comes naturally to him? The truth is that those things must not be natural for him, except in a fallen, graceless state. Otherwise God would be directly responsible for creating murderers, adulterers, liars, etc, i.e. He'd be the author of sin.

Nope! God created man with a sovereign free will. Man has chosen to rebel. God did not force this nor did God create rebellion (sin).

bugkiller

 

[fhansen]

Nope! God created man with a sovereign free will. Man has chosen to rebel. God did not force this nor did God create rebellion (sin).

bugkiller

Ok. So if man rebelled, then, originally, by the nature God gave him, man must not naturally be a murderer, liar, adulterer, etc. He became such only by his rebellion. Is that consistent with your understanding?

 

[toLiJC]

Here is the definition of inimical -

in·im·i·cal
[ i nímmik'l ]

1. not favorable: unfavorable to something
2. hostile: showing hostility

I ask if do not murder quailfies.

I ask if do not commit adultery qualifies.

I ask if do not lie qualifies.

I ask if do not steal quailfies.

Are these not inimical ordinances? If they are not ordinances they violation can not be called sin (wrong doing). Are any of the one I named natural actions of man? If they are not why are we told not to do these natural things?

bugkiller

there is a difference between such ordinances as e.g.: "do not kill" and "kill who alone satisfied sexually itself", because one thing is not to kill, while quite another (is) to kill, it is not an inimical thing not to kill, but to kill definitely is inimical, because the damnification is inimical in each aspect i.e. regardless of whether it is (by): killing, maiming, disfigurement, injury, harming, forcing, obtrusion, intrusion, harassment, contamination, stealing, expulsion, vilification, talebearing, cursing, etc., the infliction(misdeed) is always a bad thing, just see how Jesus and His disciples did never cause whatever evil to any human, but purged, saved, healed, resurrected, and fed everyone who need(ed)

Blessings

 

[bugkiller]

Ok. So if man rebelled, then, originally, by the nature God gave him, man must not naturally be a murderer, liar, adulterer, etc. He became such only by his rebellion. Is that consistent with your understanding?

What do you suggest?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

there is a difference between such ordinances as e.g.: "do not kill" and "kill who alone satisfied sexually itself", because one thing is not to kill, while quite another (is) to kill, it is not an inimical thing not to kill, but to kill definitely is inimical, because the damnification is inimical in each aspect i.e. regardless of whether it is (by): killing, maiming, disfigurement, injury, harming, forcing, obtrusion, intrusion, harassment, contamination, stealing, expulsion, vilification, talebearing, cursing, etc., the infliction(misdeed) is always a bad thing, just see how Jesus and His disciples did never cause whatever evil to any human, but purged, saved, healed, resurrected, and fed everyone who need(ed)

Blessings

I do not understand how you can apply inimical to an action. An action is not against the doer of the action. Inimical applies to behaviour.

bugkiller

 

[toLiJC]

I do not understand how you can apply inimical to an action. An action is not against the doer of the action. Inimical applies to behaviour.

bugkiller

"inimical" means something: unfavorable, hostile, malicious, or prejudicial, we used this word because we testified about the fact that many israelites/jews casued harm to the(ir) neighbour(s) exactly because of the ordinances which ordered to be done so

Blessings