What exactly is the law?

[bugkiller]

I did not use the large blue letters in my title because I think they all appear in black and same text size.

It seems to me there is some dispute what the law is. Does "the" word have a specific or limiting meaning to a word following it? Is the law the all inclusive law of God? In this case are the grammer rules of English and Greek different? I wish to have demonstrated through text what the truth is.

bugkiller

 

[Mazock]

I'm looking at this from Matt 5:17 "the Law and the Prophets".

I personally believe Yeshua was speaking of the Torah, and the Nevi'im.

So from my perspective "The Law" is the first 5 books of the Bible, which includes ALL 613 "laws".

Hope this helps.

Maz

 

[Purge187]

Mosaic/Torah laws.

 

[Frogster]

I'm looking at this from Matt 5:17 "the Law and the Prophets".

I personally believe Yeshua was speaking of the Torah, and the Nevi'im.

So from my perspective "The Law" is the first 5 books of the Bible, which includes ALL 613 "laws".

Hope this helps.

Maz

law is a broad word, Jesus also called the psalms the law in john 10, and 15, paul called IS the law in 1 cor 14, Paul refered to gen as the law in galatians, law can be a principle like rom 7;21, "i see a law at work in me"

 

[bugkiller]

I'm looking at this from Matt 5:17 "the Law and the Prophets".

I personally believe Yeshua was speaking of the Torah, and the Nevi'im.

So from my perspective "The Law" is the first 5 books of the Bible, which includes ALL 613 "laws".

Hope this helps.

Maz

I think that the prophets are referred to as the law. If the prophets are also the law, what from them do you obey? IOW are the prophets the law? or is the law a much narrower focus? Most here do not discuss the prophets when refering to the law.

bugkiller

 

[Tangible]

The law is everything that God has commanded, required, or expected us to do or not to do. If we're doing it in order to please or appease God, it's Law.

Gospel, on the other hand, is the good news about everything God has done for us and for our salvation. If it's God doing it for us, it's Gospel.

 

[bugkiller]

The law is everything that God has commanded, required, or expected us to do or not to do. If we're doing it in order to please or appease God, it's Law.

I do not think that affects what is law, God's law or the law. Yes I am making fine distinctions.

Gospel, on the other hand, is the good news about everything God has done for us and for our salvation. If it's God doing it for us, it's Gospel.

So is everything active for everyone save gender and occupation (priest)?


bugkiller

 

[Tangible]

I do not think that affects what is law, God's law or the law. Yes I am making fine distinctions.

Why? Christ is the end of the law for righteousness.

So is everything active for everyone save gender and occupation (priest)?

What does this mean?

 

[bugkiller]

Why? Christ is the end of the law for righteousness.


What does this mean?

Yes.

What does the verse say Christ is? the end of the law. It does not say Christ is the end of law. See the difference?

bugkiller

 

[Habakk]

Law is simply a system of rules. The Law is the system of rules associated with the Mosaic covenant. The Law being ordained of God himself to foreshadow Christ and to effect God’s holy purpose. Now we have a New covenant authored and mediated by our heavenly high priest, enabling us to inherit the promises of Abraham by faith.

Blood covenants always have inherent rules of law and promises. The Mosaic Law had 613 such rules in order to benefit from the promises. Incorrect discernment of the body (blood covenant) of Christ still carries the death penalty as the Apostle Paul said many are sick and “sleep”. The old covenant required strict adherence to the rules of The Law. The New covenant requires correct discernment of the Law written on our hearts.

 

[Frogster]

law can arouse sin.

 

[Tangible]

Yes.

What does the verse say Christ is? the end of the law. It does not say Christ is the end of law. See the difference?

bugkiller

You're missing the most important part, the "for righteousness" part. Christ Jesus earned perfect righteousness before God under [your desired article here] law. It is finished.

Now Christ is our righteousness. We have no righteousness apart from Christ. The law has valid three uses, none of which is to make us righteous before God.

 

[Habakk]

law can arouse sin.

Temptation and lust arouse sin, not law. Thats how it worked with Adam and Eve.

James 1: 14-15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

[Frogster]

Temptation and lust arouse sin, not law. Thats how it worked with Adam and Eve.

James 1: 14-15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

sinful passions aroused by law, rom 7;5, sin used the command 7:8, and 7;11.

the power of sin is the law, as per my siggy.

the law came to increase the sinm rom 5:20,..increase...

 

[daq]

Jesus also called the psalms the law in john 10

That is merely a widely held assumption, (and a faulty one at that).

 

[Habakk]

sinful passions aroused by law, rom 7;5, sin used the command 7:8, and 7;11.

the power of sin is the law, as per my siggy.

the law came to increase the sinm rom 5:20,..increase...

That’s because the sinful nature was brought under conviction by the Law of God (or more rightly conviction due to our inability to keep the law perfectly). The conflict stood unresolved, until the sanctifying power of Jesus Christ freed us from the curse of the law. Thus establishing the law of righteousness in Christ.

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law (Romans 3:31).

 

[x141]

I did not use the large blue letters in my title because I think they all appear in black and same text size.

It seems to me there is some dispute what the law is. Does "the" word have a specific or limiting meaning to a word following it? Is the law the all inclusive law of God? In this case are the grammer rules of English and Greek different? I wish to have demonstrated through text what the truth is.

bugkiller

The law is of our mother ... and unfolds as such until it crucified truth in the flesh, thereby slaying the image that was a lie, and this truth being lifted up draws everything back into one from where it first came out of.

 

[squint]

law can arouse sin.

Uh, yeah, because it is factually within to arouse.

There is a statement from Jesus, reiterated many times, about matters of Law and of Lawlessness (which all people have regardless of their religious affiliations.)

The essence of this matter is right here. Though seldom factored into most understandings and discussions of Law:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Today in our 'modern(?) societies we consider such things as dark age, novel and matters for a mental health professional.

BUT the entire foundation of the Gospel and understanding scripture is founded on this exact information.

THIS MEANS ANOTHER ENTITY OR MORE IS FACTUALLY WITHIN THE HEARTS OF MANKIND.

Jesus showed the same 'principle' in play with Peter. Peter received truthful Heavenly Data in his heart and guess who else showed up shortly thereafter? Uh, yeah. Satan spewing from his mouth.

If any handler of scripture does NOT factor this fact into their discussions of law, lawlessness and what happens where The Word is sown they have inadequate information and understandings to have a coherent discussion about the matters.

Those who are not able or do not and can not take the information personally will never understand and have in effect already been eliminated from the ground of understandings. And from this phenomenon has sprung up every human evil and division that has existed on this planet and within Judeo/Christian evils in specific.

The factual information is largely unknown even though there in black and white to see.

Every believer initially rejects this data as being personally applicable.

It's a very predictable occurrence. In other words it happens all the time.

ALL accounts of LAW without this fact on the table are essentially worthless.

s

 

[Mazock]

Squint,

 

[squint]

Squint,

Did we agree on something?

I must modify immediately!



I'm glad you think you got it. The fact does make any discussion of law and lawlessness vastly more interesting, that is, if one thinks about it, or can think about it. The fact that there is resistance makes it so much more interesting.

Do I believe every Word of God? Assuredly resoundingly yes.

I also believe that all of us have 'lawlessness' in our hearts that will not and can not be legal.

ENTER GRACE. Uplifting ONE party but, just as the Law does, puts DOWN the other.

Law and Grace are in full accord in this way.

It's quite dynamic.

s