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What exactly is the law?

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and we all saw just how well all the religious leaders understood the Word made flesh!

so much for them thinking they knew the law, the vail over their heart did not permit them to see the truth. but the prophets knew Christ and Moses knew Christ. however it was hidden from most people, and when Jesus came, it was manifest to many more people than it had been, because Jesus is awesome. the religious leaders kill the prophets and build their tombs. woe are they for they do not enter the kingdom of God and refuse to let others enter, their vain blindness make God into a lamb with a dragons voice.

wicked wolves in sheeps clothing! being blind and leading others to their pit. woe to them, for they exalted themselves as wise, though they had evil hearts and love money and they desire the respect from men rather than God. they murdered Christ because they don't know God.

if only they would have kept the passover feast, then they would have gotten rid of all their wicked leaven.
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Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees! :angel:

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
Jesus vs the Pharisees and Scribes

Matthew 23:4 "For They are binding burdens, weighty/barea <926> and ill-bearing.
And they are placing upon the shoulders of the men, to the yet finger of them, not are willing to move them".

Acts 20:29 "For I have perceived this.
That shall be entering after the departure of me, wolves, weighty, into ye, no sparing of-the shepherded/flock"
[Matt 23:4/Philip 3:2]
 
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Look, we know you are a legalist are you not?

The law about Saturday Sabbath became FLESH. The Word is no longer what it used to be.

Both the priesthood and THE LAW changed and became JESUS CHRIST.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

What happened to the LAW?

The Old Testament became A NEW AND BETTER TESTAMENT called JESUS CHRIST, the Living Word of God.


yes, there has been a change made on the part of God and Jesus, because after the undeniable Ten Commandments which God Himself has initially given of His Own Will, the appearance of the conducted-by-satan human religion succeeded to inculcate many inimical ordinances which were established with the Holy Commandments of God, and these were the ordinances: for vengeance(Exodus 21:23-25), for stoning(Deuteronomy 22:13-21), for cursing(Numbers 5:12-31), for discrimination and hate(Deuteronomy 23:1-6), for disregard and neglect(Deuteronomy 24:1-4), and many other which visibly are contrary to the Holy Law of God hindering (against) the keeping of His Commandments, that is why God has made a change by annulling all inimical ordinances by His Son - Jesus Christ and replacing them with perfectly good/righteous, along with this the inner/domestic power of satan (which it had in the times before the New Testament) has been permanently destroyed

Matthew 5:38-48 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek(i.e. but if some human is evil to you), turn to him the other also(i.e. be only Good to it). And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat(i.e. and if some human wants to receive a good(-ness) from you), let him have thy cloak also(i.e. give it the best of you). And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile(i.e. and if any human wants from you to do/make a good together with it), go with him twain(i.e. go with it giving the best of you). Give to him that asketh thee(i.e. give the good things which you can provide to the human who demands them from you), and from him that would borrow of thee(viz. good things) turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun(i.e. His benediction/grace) to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain(i.e. purification) on the just(i.e. on the clerics/believers) and on the unjust(i.e. and on the infidel people). For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans(i.e. the unrighteous people) so? Be ye therefore perfect(i.e. perfectly loving/good), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.",

Mark 10:5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.",

John 8:3-11 "And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not(viz. in order to remind them about the Ten Commandments written with the Finger of God). So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her(viz. thus you can violate the Ten Commandments). And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground(viz. and He again continues to remind them about the Ten Commandments written with the Finger of God, one of which is: "Thou shalt not kill."). And they which heard it(i.e. and then they understood what exactly He alluded, and), being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more(viz. and it would be good if you also keep the Ten Commandments).",

John 14:30 "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world(i.e. the wicked) cometh, and hath nothing in me.",

John 12:31-32 "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out(viz. now the whole inner/domestic power of satan will permanently be destroyed). And I, if(i.e. and when) I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.",

Matthew 27:50-56 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom(viz. all inimical/pernicious ordinances in God's covenant/testament has been annulled); and the earth did quake(viz. the powers did shake), and the rocks rent(viz. and the whole inner/domestic power of satan has permanently been removed/destroyed); And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.",

Colossians 2:14-15 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(i.e. annulling the human/satanic part of the ordinances in God's covenant/testament) that was against us(i.e. which was prejudicial against the people), which was contrary to us(i.e. which was adverse to us), and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers(i.e. having denounced the unrighteous spiritual/religious systems and powers), he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

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yes, there has been a change made on the part of God and Jesus, because after the undeniable Ten Commandments which God Himself has initially given of His Own Will, the appearance of the conducted-by-satan human religion succeeded to inculcate many inimical ordinances which were established with the Holy Commandments of God, and these were the ordinances: for vengeance(Exodus 21:23-25), for stoning(Deuteronomy 22:13-21), for cursing(Numbers 5:12-31), for discrimination and hate(Deuteronomy 23:1-6), for disregard and neglect(Deuteronomy 24:1-4), and many other which visibly are contrary to the Holy Law of God hindering (against) the keeping of His Commandments, that is why God has made a change by annulling all inimical ordinances by His Son - Jesus Christ and replacing them with perfectly good/righteous, along with this the inner/domestic power of satan (which it had in the times before the New Testament) has been permanently destroyed

And you do understand that The Word of God became flesh? And at that point THE WORD was then DIFFERENT than prior ink on papyrus or chisel in stone?

That's kinda the gist of the direction.

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And you do understand that The Word of God became flesh? And at that point THE WORD was then DIFFERENT than prior ink on papyrus or chisel in stone?

That's kinda the gist of the direction.

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yes, the Word came in the flesh issuing with a body similar to the human body, and He was exactly the Lord Himself Who has received the name "Jesus" here in this world, and namely He gave the Word of the New Testament - the New Word viz. the completely good, namely God Himself acting by His firstborn and only begotten Son - the only Lord Jesus Christ

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yes, the Word came in the flesh issuing with a body similar to the human body, and He was exactly the Lord Himself Who has received the name "Jesus" here in this world, and namely He gave the Word of the New Testament - the New Word viz. the completely good, namely God Himself acting by His firstborn and only begotten Son - the only Lord Jesus Christ

Blessings

So you might also understand that THE WORD was no longer a directive on a page or on stone, but LIVING in FLESH?

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So you might also understand that THE WORD was no longer a directive on a page or on stone, but LIVING in FLESH?

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the true Word says: "Love your neighbor so well/much as you would love yourself", because: "Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."(Romans 13:9-10), while the human malice says for example: "i want to retaliate to the neighbor and to ruin it because of haughtiness, covetousness and jealousy, hereof the great principles are: 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth', 'murder the neighbor who is your enemy', 'curse your wife if she failed', 'stone the teenage girl who alone satisfied herself', 'hate the people who are not perfectly superb', etc.", viz. things which are contrary to the Ten and the other Holy Commandments of God

Blessings
 
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the true Word says: "Love your neighbor so well/much as you would love yourself", because: "Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."(Romans 13:9-10), while the human malice says for example: "i want to retaliate to the neighbor and to ruin it because of haughtiness, covetousness and jealousy, hereof the great principles are: 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth', 'murder the neighbor who is your enemy', 'curse your wife if she failed', 'stone the teenage girl who alone satisfied herself', 'hate the people who are not perfectly superb', etc.", viz. things which are contrary to the Ten and the other Holy Commandments of God

Did the Sabbath Word of God change into THE FLESH OF JESUS CHRIST?

???
 
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Did the Sabbath Word of God change into THE FLESH OF JESUS CHRIST?

???


the true Word of God first is that which comes direct(ly) from the true God Himself, but the wicked had a power to inculcate rules which are not (come) from God of His Own Will, whereas the 4th Commandment which is about the "sabbath" orders the spiritual servants/workers not to gratify/do wicked things in the faith

Leviticus 23:3 "Six days shall work be done(i.e. as a rule you are free to do everything whereby there is no causation of hurt/harm to any human): but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest(i.e. but the moment of faith is a time for sanctification), an holy convocation(i.e. an organized activity for provision of overall salvation and life); ye shall do no work therein(i.e. you must not violate it): it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings(i.e. it is the time that there is a need the spiritual servants/workers to sanctify the creature/creation of God).",

Isaiah 58:13 "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day(i.e. if you eschew all your intervention in the spiritual which is not according to My Will); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD(i.e. sanctifying the creature/creation of God and the faith), honourable(i.e. and being earnest in this); and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways(i.e. your own or whatever human spiritual ways), nor finding thine own pleasure(i.e. nor seeking your own profit, but the profit of all other humans according to My Will), nor speaking thine own words(i.e. nor testifying prophecies which I did/do not give you):"

Jesus Christ is the Lord Himself Who came to purify/renew the God's Testament and to show the difference between the true Word of God and the imperfect/unrighteous and to give a vivid example for this how the believer ought to act (in the faith) and how not

Blessings
 
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I did not use the large blue letters in my title because I think they all appear in black and same text size.

It seems to me there is some dispute what the law is. Does "the" word have a specific or limiting meaning to a word following it? Is the law the all inclusive law of God? In this case are the grammer rules of English and Greek different? I wish to have demonstrated through text what the truth is.

bugkiller

What is the path of the Law?

It is the tangling Labyrinth

It is the roiling sea

It is the spiraling ammonite
 
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i was pontificating on said text, offering sound hermeneutics, and a brief expository for u.:wave:

OK, so then, as the OP asks, What, exactly, is the law? Does it reflect the will of God or is it merely a set of arbitrary rules none of which were ever intended to be obeyed by man?
 
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the true Word of God first is that which comes direct(ly) from the true God Himself, but the wicked had a power to inculcate rules which are not (come) from God of His Own Will, whereas the 4th Commandment which is about the "sabbath" orders the spiritual servants/workers not to gratify/do wicked things in the faith

The Sabbath Word became flesh.

It is quite pointless to try to unmake The Word made flesh and turn Him back to letter on stone.

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the true Word of God first is that which comes direct(ly) from the true God Himself, but the wicked had a power to inculcate rules which are not (come) from God of His Own Will, whereas the 4th Commandment which is about the "sabbath" orders the spiritual servants/workers not to gratify/do wicked things in the faith

Leviticus 23:3 "Six days shall work be done(i.e. as a rule you are free to do everything whereby there is no causation of hurt/harm to any human): but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest(i.e. but the moment of faith is a time for sanctification), an holy convocation(i.e. an organized activity for provision of overall salvation and life); ye shall do no work therein(i.e. you must not violate it): it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings(i.e. it is the time that there is a need the spiritual servants/workers to sanctify the creature/creation of God).",

Isaiah 58:13 "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day(i.e. if you eschew all your intervention in the spiritual which is not according to My Will); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD(i.e. sanctifying the creature/creation of God and the faith), honourable(i.e. and being earnest in this); and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways(i.e. your own or whatever human spiritual ways), nor finding thine own pleasure(i.e. nor seeking your own profit, but the profit of all other humans according to My Will), nor speaking thine own words(i.e. nor testifying prophecies which I did/do not give you):"

Jesus Christ is the Lord Himself Who came to purify/renew the God's Testament and to show the difference between the true Word of God and the imperfect/unrighteous and to give a vivid example for this how the believer ought to act (in the faith) and how not

Blessings
Please tell where you get Jesus came to renew anything from.

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The angle that several grace people here have bought and try to sell is that the LAW of God, the Word of God has been effectively eliminated.

That won't sell and shouldn't.

The Law is no different than Grace in being against all sin and evil, period.

Why any of you think that elimination is somehow 'the secret sauce' that makes your positions all come together is neither accurate or right. I would even term such views as borderline ridiculous and assuredly in conflict with the Words of Jesus.

No one who bothers to think about Jesus' Words really wants to come into conflict with Him.

Or do they?

Jesus said many things about The Word of God, uh, seeing how He Is The Word.

When any of you say 'throw away the Law, the Word of God' it is no different to me than to say throw away Jesus.

Does Not Compute.

Sorry.

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So sorry bout your computer.

You did not prove any one said anything.

I know of no pro grace person trying to eliminate the Law of God.

The Scripture says God eliminated the law as a basis of salvation. Therefore none of us has to do that. Jesus testified it has been done. All one has to do is accept it.

Paul says to throw out the law. Is Paul a false prophet/teacher?

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Try to think like an SDA and then read this:
Hebrews 7:18-19 On the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (19) (for the law made nothing perfect); on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
SDA's make commandment and law mean the ten commandments. They do it a lot. So let's do it too.
Hebrews 7:18-19 On the one hand, a former ten commandments is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (19) (for the ten commandments made nothing perfect); on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
:thumbsup: Sure do like this post. Makes perfect sense to me and converys the truth.

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:thumbsup: Sure do like this post. Makes perfect sense to me and converys the truth.

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So what does this mean that the ten commandments were perfect and yet incapable of making humans perfect?
 
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So sorry bout your computer.

You did not prove any one said anything.

How much of GODS WORD did not become flesh?

lol

I know of no pro grace person trying to eliminate the Law of God.
Oh please spare me.

There is zero requirement to DENY a single Word of God.

You guys do it all the time in happy happy graceland.

The Scripture says God eliminated the law as a basis of salvation.
Nah. You know no pro grace person trying to eliminate the Law of God and in the next sentence....what a joke.

I only give you guys credit for entertainment points. That's about it.

Hey, how much of THE WORD was eliminated as the basis of salvation?

too funny. seriously seriously funny.

Bettern' a Jim Carrey movie.

Therefore none of us has to do that. Jesus testified it has been done. All one has to do is accept it.
The problem all you grace guys have is you read Law and you only seem able to think about it in one direction and one direction only as if that is THE ONLY WAY TO OBSERVE IT.

You merely attack another slant of the Law that's just as lame as your own.
Paul says to throw out the law. Is Paul a false prophet/teacher?

bugkiller
Oh, such a laugher you are.

Jesus The Word made flesh, THROWN AWAY. Commanded by Paul no less? heh heh heh. Very inventive Gospel there for sure. Like NON-existing.

It really is hard to have a serious conversation with such minds. It is quite funny though.

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