According to Homeland Security if your prolife and...your a terrorist

[salida]

If your prolife, believe in end-time bible prophesy, the 2nd amendment and against aliens coming across the border illegally in the U.S. your a terrorist?

Are all Christians Rightwing Extremists?
http://www.thevoicemagazine.com/hea...-are-all-christians-rightwing-extremists.html

http://rogerhedgecock.com/resources/HSA_RightwingExtremism_Report_april2009.pdf

I thought terrorism was individuals who blew up places. But those who believe in protecting the shedding of innocent blood is a terrorist. Hmm, can someone explain this one? I would love the answer.

 

[Allahuakbar]

I am not sure you are construing this article appropriately. Can you provide a direct quote from the PDF file supporting your conclusion.

 

[salida]

Yes, but presently I'm having computer problems. I will be back.

Allahuakbar - The article of "Are all Christians Rightwing Extremists" explains how I have come to this conclusion also. If a person is labeled this in the U.S. many of them are considered conservative. These people are prolife, etc. and contain bible believing christians like me. Since we are against baby killing - somehow I'm a terrorist.

Yes, sometimes abortion clinics are blown up but what does this have to do with those who don't believe in violence and don't do terrorism at all- but all they do is believe in protecting infants. Homeland Security is painting a very broad brush or can. It sounds like the Obama administration is making war with true christians now and calling us terrorist.

 

[DaisyDay]

I thought terrorism was individuals who blew up places.

Abortion clinics are places that sometimes get blown up.

But those who believe in protecting the shedding of innocent blood is a terrorist. Hmm, can someone explain this one? I would love the answer.

If the means of protecting the shedding of innocent blood includes gunning down doctors and blowing up clinics, that could conceivably be considered terrorism.

 

[Nathan Poe]

If your prolife, believe in end-time bible prophesy, the 2nd amendment and against aliens coming across the border illegally in the U.S. your a terrorist?

It's not what you do, it's how you do it. Act like a terrorist, and DHS will consider you to be one.

But hey, if you're innocent, then you have nothing to worry about, right?

 

[Wyzaard]

If your prolife, believe in end-time bible prophesy, the 2nd amendment and against aliens coming across the border illegally in the U.S. your a terrorist?

Are all Christians Rightwing Extremists?

I thought terrorism was individuals who blew up places. But those who believe in protecting the shedding of innocent blood is a terrorist. Hmm, can someone explain this one? I would love the answer.

Right-wing extremism is on the rise, and those issues tend to concentrate these sorts of wackos, stewing them in other overlapping sexist, racist, and homophobic movements and frothing them up into an irrational boil.

Read Carol Mason's book Killing for Life for more info.

 

[ACougar]

The report states that right wing extremism is on the rise and that right wing extremism could lead to terrorism. Since you seem to disagree with this proposition let me ask a few questions so that I can better understand your position...

1. Do you agree that the ranks of those who hold right wing views considered extreme by most of society are growing?

extremist - a person who holds extreme views
extremist - (used of opinions and actions) far beyond the norm; "extremist political views"; "radical opinions on education"; "an ultra conservative"
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2. Do you dispute that some right wing extremists turn to violence ala Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph?

3. Do you have reason to believe that having more right wing extremists in this country means were less likely to see violence from right wing extremists?

All the report is saying is that since right wing extremism is on the rise, it's also likely that right wing violence will also be on the rise. Especially if economic conditions worsen.

If the ranks of left wing extremists and left wing militias was on the rise it would be reasonable to assume that we would also see more violence from left wing extremists and that terrorism might become more likely. Right wing extremism is no differant.

 

[PassionFruit]

Yes, sometimes abortion clinics are blown up but what does this have to do with those who don't believe in violence and don't do terrorism at all- but all they do is believe in protecting infants. Homeland Security is painting a very broad brush or can. It sounds like the Obama administration is making war with true christians now and calling us terrorist.

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No one is calling you a terrorist as far as I'm concernced. But blowing up abortion clinics is terrorism whether you want to believe it or not.

 

[USincognito]

It sounds like the Obama administration is making war with true christians now and calling us terrorist.

As opposed to fake Christian/stealth Muslims like him?

 

[7thKeeper]

I thought they came up with a fairly similar report on left wing extremist as well.

 

[Axioma]

Boo hoo, the government has decided that white supremacist groups aren't cool anymore, that means they must be after all right wing Christians!

 

[USincognito]

I thought they came up with a fairly similar report on left wing extremist as well.

Yes. It came out a month earlier and discussed IIRC, ecoterrorist groups and the possiblity of them using cyberterrorism.

 

[ACougar]

Read the actually report, listen to all the right wing "outrage" and understand that the former is just common sense and the later is just posturing. The right wants to play the role of the persecuted and the oppressed so that it can some day rise up and strike down it's heathen oppressors.

 

[reverend C]

this whole issue is a product of right wing radio, desperately searching for a place for the conservative movement to take hold and finding nowhere to land. the report states that the election of a black u.s. president and the current issues regarding the economy and some of the social issues that are being discussed are all food for the right wing extremist groups to feed on. is that shocking to anyone? do we see the hatred signs going up equating obama to hitler or perpetuating the lie about his muslim faith or his falsified birth certificate at the teabag celebrations? if this is what is going on in front of rolling tv cameras, what rhetoric is being spewed behind closed doors? what plans are being hatched or dreamed of? we have seen a man slaughter three police officers, not because of any imminent legislation, but because of his perception of what might happen to gun laws, in spite of no movement on the part of the administration to pursue the issue currently. we saw a guy walk into a unitarian church and gun down random worshippers because of their liberal views, and found all the right wing talking head books in his home, whipping up fear and anger and hatred and retribution, but retribution for what? for not making an argument that the american public found compelling enough to vote for? for alienating a nation?
the report doesn't indict people who oppose the administration or the current political climate in the country, nor does it suggest that there is a watch list for keeping an eye on conservatives, as michael savage is promoting and actually bringing suit against the dept of homeland security. he is going to embarrass himself terribly, lose a ton of money (yours if you choose to send it to him) and end up back where he is today, a paranoid maniac screaming to like minded conspiracy theorists on the radio and whipping people up into a frenzy which will be the self fulfilling prophecy of the report that he started out by raving against.
the op is a product of these people, these users who manipulate simple minded people without the capacity or willingness to investigate the original source materials of an issue and are satisfied to have someone tell them the talking points they are supposed to believe.
the report is right. the circumstances are perfect for the rise of violent right wing extremists. it doesn't suggest for a moment that all conservatives are terrorists. only the painfully ignorant or willfully misleading can find that reading in the report.
but we have plenty of those.

 

[Steve Petersen]

The report states that right wing extremism is on the rise and that right wing extremism could lead to terrorism. Since you seem to disagree with this proposition let me ask a few questions so that I can better understand your position...

1. Do you agree that the ranks of those who hold right wing views considered extreme by most of society are growing?



2. Do you dispute that some right wing extremists turn to violence ala Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph?

3. Do you have reason to believe that having more right wing extremists in this country means were less likely to see violence from right wing extremists?

All the report is saying is that since right wing extremism is on the rise, it's also likely that right wing violence will also be on the rise. Especially if economic conditions worsen.

If the ranks of left wing extremists and left wing militias was on the rise it would be reasonable to assume that we would also see more violence from left wing extremists and that terrorism might become more likely. Right wing extremism is no differant.

Tell you what, when you call Bill Ayers a terrorist, then we'll talk.

 

[reverend C]

Tell you what, when you call Bill Ayers a terrorist, then we'll talk.

bill ayers was a terrorist. now talk.
how is he relevant to todays threats? what does he have to do with this conversation?

 

[Steve Petersen]

McVeigh, Ayers, and abortion bombers are terrorists.

Now, how about spending time and money proportional to the threat.

McVeigh and Ayers pale in comparison to the terrorists who brought down the WTC.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

WASHINGTON (AP) - Civil liberties officials at the Homeland Security Department did not agree with some of the language in a controversial report on right-wing extremists, but the agency issued the report anyway.

Oh, snap.

Remember folks, the lefties are all about protecting our civil rights.

Unless you happen to disagree with them.

Oh, and where's Tim Robbins, blathering about a chill wind, now? Is he around? Or is he cheering for this report?

 

[reverend C]

the report acknowledges a truth that is being displayed in our newspapers, that right wing violence is on the rise and the environment is ripe for its growth. why do you not want to recognize this? how does it threaten you as a conservative? why do you identify with these threats to american security? what compells you to want to deflect attention from these hate groups?

 

[ACougar]

Tell you what, when you call Bill Ayers a terrorist, then we'll talk.

Ayers was an extremist, a criminal, and a terrorist. But so are tens of thousands of Klansman in Mississippi.... what's your point?

S: (n) terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear)

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