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According to Homeland Security if your prolife and...your a terrorist

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Can you point me to where is states that people that do or believe in these things are right wing extremists? I read that report a couple of times and I must have missed that.
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That would be here:

(U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups),
and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or
rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a
single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.
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This is a report commissioned by Bush and started by the Bush DHS.
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So it's Bush's fault? Wasn't if Obama's DHS that released it? You should read the report on left wing extremism that the Bush administration released. It doesn't look anything like this. It's far more specific.

Once again, can you point me to where in the report it states this? Persecution complex, much?
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Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans
likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups,
as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for
violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and
stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation
of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary
concern to law enforcement.
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Panzerkampfwagen said:
That would be here:





So it's Bush's fault? Wasn't if Obama's DHS that released it? You should read the report on left wing extremism that the Bush administration released. It doesn't look anything like this. It's far more specific.
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Are you sure the part that you quoted is the part you wanted to use? Because it doesn't say that people that are anti-abortion, are stockpiling ammunition, buting guns, or support gun rights are right wing extremists.

What it is saying is that some people and groups do and/or believe in these things. Just because all terriers are dogs does not make all dogs terriers.
 
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Are you sure the part that you quoted is the part you wanted to use? Because it doesn't say that people that are anti-abortion, are stockpiling ammunition, buting guns, or support gun rights are right wing extremists.
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It certainly implies that they could be, though, doesn't it?
 
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Compare that to the fact that there has (to my knowledge) never been anyone killed by ALF... and yet how many of you protested when the Department of Homeland security was "focusing" on them?


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According to those statistics, there hasn't been anti-abortion related murder in over a decade.

There have been seven victims of anti-abortion violence. If you lump the death threats in with crimes of violence, there's been something of around five hundred. In order to come up with the "thousands" number, you have to lump the property crimes in with the violent crimes. You know what they say about lies and statistics though.

I hate people that commit violence against abortion clinics because it just gives the anti-abortion people more ammunition to use, but to lump everything from misdemeanors with a small fine where the police might not even arrest the person to someone going on a shooting spree in together in the interest of making abortion people appear as victims, I think is rather counter productive, especially when your statistics fail to outline how many of the crimes are committed with the purpose of shutting the abortion clinics down.

To be frank though, I don't have a lot of sympathy for a doctor (first do no harm) that kills babies for a living getting shot.
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ACougar said:
Compare that to the fact that there has (to my knowledge) never been anyone killed by ALF... and yet how many of you protested when the Department of Homeland security was "focusing" on them?
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Well, they have been known to do things like burn down buildings and they're easy to pin down.

It's hard to pin down the loaner wackos that kidnap abortion doctors.
 
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What does being easier to pin down have to do with anything... an Al Quada cell in the US is/would be harder to pin down than either group. You seemed rather dismissive of property crimes when it was the Pro-Life terrorists... you can't have it both ways.

It's not just loner wackos kidnaping abortion doctors, it's small groups bombing clinics, defacing clinics, terrorizing workers, ect...

The problem is many right wingers sympathize with those who would burn an abortion clinic to the ground... while condemning those who would burn down a lab that does cruel experiments on animals.

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Well, they have been known to do things like burn down buildings and they're easy to pin down.

It's hard to pin down the loaner wackos that kidnap abortion doctors.
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ACougar said:
What does being eiser to pin down have to do with anything... an Al Quada cell in the US is/would be harder to pin down than either group. You seemed rather dismissive of property crimes when it was the Pro-Life terrorists... you can't have it both ways.
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I'm sure you can provide some statistics to back up that, things like the vandalism were all committed by pro-life terrorists.
 
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Panzerkampfwagen said:
I'm sure you can provide some statistics to back up that, things like the vandalism were all committed by pro-life terrorists.
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http://www.prochoice.org/pubs_research/publications/downloads/about_abortion/violence_statistics.pdf

By definition people who attack abortion clinics, abortion providers, ect... are anti-abortion. The terrorist is a bit more difficult a label... is the kid who steals animals from a cosmetic lab to stop them from being tortured a terrorist? Is the woman who sends a death threat to a doctor who provides abortions a terrorist? What about the ELF activist who burns down a University lab where animals suffer for the sake of science?

None of the activists IMO should be using violence of any sort, however violence which does not seek to actually physically harm a human being may be criminal, however it shouldn't be referred too as terrorism.
 
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