Homosexuality Cure?

[*Starlight*]

Well, you must have misread my post. I did not say one had to abstain from sex. I said we are asked to abstain from sin. As near as I can tell, homosexuals are under the same requirements as christians as all of us. Is that not the case?

This would mean, that homosexuals can have sex in traditional marriage- one man, one woman, just like the rest of us- correct?

This is not asking them abstain from sex, rather it is reminding them not to succumb to the temptation of sin (the homosexual act).

G

Well, except that homosexuals, unlike heterosexuals, fall in love with a person of the same sex. So for them a marriage would be two men or two women. But in many places in the world they aren't allowed to have such a marriage. For me, true love between two people is a sign that God brought them together, no matter if they had any marriage ceremony or not.

 

[TracerBullet]

If you mean their sexual nature, yes. Lusting, for example, is a sin involving sexuality that heterosexuals are called to overcome. Adultery, sex without marriage, etc.

Homosexuals are called to go against their very base sexual nature because it is what God wants. Being homosexual isn't wrong--acting upon it is. And instead of praying, "Lord, make me straight", it is best to pray, "Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner." If the Good Lord never changes said person, they are called to celibacy.


In Christ,
Love,
Justin

While this is off topic….


Racists happily use scripture justify their views about the rightful social placement of blacks. They say that non-whites are called upon to go against their very base and uncivilized nature and remain subservient to their social betters … because that it is what God wants. Being black isn't wrong--acting as if one is equal to whites is.

Given all that can you explain to me just how your position differs from that of a racist?

 

[TracerBullet]

Homosexuals can also get married, in fact many HAVE been married, before they broke their vows to seek after a sinful life. Marriage, is a right that is available to all.

G

Only in Canada and three states…

 

[TracerBullet]

The original design, did not have sin. The homosexual act is a sin.

G

But then…so is shaving and wearing gold wedding rings and wearing clothing of different fabrics


Are you suggesting that men without a full beard be discriminated against?

 

[TracerBullet]

The original design, did not have sin. The homosexual act is a sin.

G

Double post…apologies

 

[Gusoceros]

Well, except that homosexuals, unlike heterosexuals, fall in love with a person of the same sex. So for them a marriage would be two men or two women. But in many places in the world they aren't allowed to have such a marriage. For me, true love between two people is a sign that God brought them together, no matter if they had any marriage ceremony or not.

As I said, marriage is not determined by who you fall in love with, rather by what it is- the union of a man and a woman, as the foundation for procreation.

G

 

[Gusoceros]

While this is off topic….


Racists happily use scripture justify their views about the rightful social placement of blacks. They say that non-whites are called upon to go against their very base and uncivilized nature and remain subservient to their social betters … because that it is what God wants. Being black isn't wrong--acting as if one is equal to whites is.

Given all that can you explain to me just how your position differs from that of a racist?

Perhaps because Im not using scripture to justify racism?? Why does it matter? We are not discussing racism.

G

 

[AureateDawn]

While this is off topic….


Racists happily use scripture justify their views about the rightful social placement of blacks. They say that non-whites are called upon to go against their very base and uncivilized nature and remain subservient to their social betters … because that it is what God wants. Being black isn't wrong--acting as if one is equal to whites is.

Given all that can you explain to me just how your position differs from that of a racist?

They misuse/misinterpret the Scripture. Nowhere does it say that persons of varying skin colors cannot marry, or that one skin color is bad. Thus, the entire comparison is null.

 

[*Starlight*]

As I said, marriage is not determined by who you fall in love with, rather by what it is- the union of a man and a woman, as the foundation for procreation.

G

It depends on the person. If I ever get married, the primary reason will be love, not procreation (even though I'm heterosexual). There are also couples who can't have children, but still get married. And even if procreation is important for some couple, love is still necessary so that the children are raised in a loving environment. So you can't separate marriage from love, but you can separate marriage from procreation.

 

[AureateDawn]

As I said, marriage is not determined by who you fall in love with, rather by what it is- the union of a man and a woman, as the foundation for procreation.

G

Quoted Again For Truth...

I need to see if I can look up this really good article I read on homosexuality that explains it better than I ever could. *goes to Google*

 

[Gusoceros]

Only in Canada and three states…

In all states was my position- as it is my contention that marriage is the union of a man and a woman, it makes no difference if the man or woman is a homosexual. That is my point- there is no discrimination with regard to marriage.

G

 

[AureateDawn]

It depends on the person. If I ever get married, the primary reason will be love, not procreation (even though I'm heterosexual). There are also couples who can't have children, but still get married. And even if procreation is important for some couple, love is still necessary so that the children are raised in a loving environment. So you can't separate marriage from love, but you can separate marriage from procreation.

I have a love. His name is Cody. For 2 and a half years. I'm gay. I have been gay for 2 and a half years. I cry a lot. It causes me Extreme heartache. But it's just my cross to bear. Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner....

God gave marriage. That marriage is between a man and a woman.


In Christ,
Love,
Justin

 

[Gusoceros]

But then…so is shaving and wearing gold wedding rings and wearing clothing of different fabrics


Are you suggesting that men without a full beard be discriminated against?

Im not suggesting discrimination- whether you are balding or a smoker, short or tall, thin or fat, or if you like green eggs and ham . I am discussing what makes marriage, marriage.

G

 

[*Starlight*]

I have a love. His name is Cody. For 2 and a half years. I'm gay. I have been gay for 2 and a half years. I cry a lot. It causes me Extreme heartache. But it's just my cross to bear. Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner....

God gave marriage. That marriage is between a man and a woman.


In Christ,
Love,
Justin

But love between two people should be something to celebrate, not suppress and cry over it... And many churches perform same sex marriages. So it's not exclusively for man-woman couples.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

As I said, marriage is not determined by who you fall in love with, rather by what it is- the union of a man and a woman, as the foundation for procreation.

Oh. So you'd have no problem if the state mandated genbetic screening and told you who you were going to marry, based only on your procreative ability?

What about heterosexual infertile people? Should they be permitted to marry?

What about heterosexual people who ARE fertile, yet have no intension of having children... should THEY be permitted to marry?

 

[AureateDawn]

Links:

rtsp://realserver.goarch.org/en/organizations/crtl/programs/crtl090206.rm - very good listen. PLEASE listen to it. Very short and enlightening. And emotional.

http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/ethics/hopko_homosexual_christian.htm - by Fr. Thomas Hopko. Very informative and short.

http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/samesexunions.aspx - again, short and informative.

Please read one of these at least, or listen to the first link. Explains better than I could try.


In Christ,
Love,
Justin

 

[TracerBullet]

In all states was my position- as it is my contention that marriage is the union of a man and a woman, it makes no difference if the man or woman is a homosexual. That is my point- there is no discrimination with regard to marriage.

G

In living memory that argument was made by those opposing interracial marriage. that people had the right to marry someone of the “correct” skin color rather go against gods will and marry out of their race.

It was also used to justify segregation and other hateful things.

Do you support discrimination based on skin color?

 

[AureateDawn]

And many churches perform same sex marriages.

They perform them wrongly. It goes against what God Himself has said.


In Christ,
Love,
Justin

 

[TracerBullet]

Im not suggesting discrimination- whether you are balding or a smoker, short or tall, thin or fat, or if you like green eggs and ham . I am discussing what makes marriage, marriage.

G

You are advocating discrimination against an entire minority based on your personal beliefs…why are you nt advocating discrimination for any and all sins?

 

[Gusoceros]

Oh. So you'd have no problem if the state mandated genbetic screening and told you who you were going to marry, based only on your procreative ability?

What about heterosexual infertile people? Should they be permitted to marry?

What about heterosexual people who ARE fertile, yet have no intension of having children... should THEY be permitted to marry?

Procreation is a feature that defines why marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Whether you choose to have children or not is immaterial to the design. If you *cant* procreate because of some medical reason- this does not invalidate the reason why marriage is marriage. If you are 2 guys, or 2 gals- who *cant* procreate by design- then you are outside of what is marriage, and into something else- like cohabitation.

None of this changes that the homosexual act is a sin.

No, I dont support the state being more involved in marriage than it already is.

G