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Another look at the moon landing.

Nope, it's proof they weren't even there on the moon.
No it isn't. They were not on the dark side of the moon, but on the side facing the sun. The fact that they did not see stars from the moon is no more proof that they weren't there than the fact that you don't see stars when your part of the earth is facing the sone somehow proves that your aren't on the earth. Both such ideas are nonsense.
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Exclusive: The White House is looking to replace Pete Hegseth as defense secretary

(Is ANYONE in this administration actually qualified to do the tasks they have been given?)
Sure. Rubio. He's gone way, WAY out of his way to become a Trump sycophant. Frankly, it's kind of impressive how much he's sacrificed his former principles. Normally anyone competent wouldn't be able to go along with all of Trump's nutty edicts or would have their own way of doing things that would conflict with Trump and would be out the door or under the bus within a year. For just about all other positions, Trump is going for incompetent yes-men like Hegseth.
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The Nobel Peace Prize went to Venezuela’s Maria Corina Machado - why not Trump? He's solved 8 wars!


Maris Corina Machado very strongly disagrees with your progressive left wing liberal biases against President Donald Trump.
True, I wonder too if she would like for Venezuela to be attacked to overthrow Maduro?
Hmm.. Decisive support? Sounds like she wants Venezuela's Maduro to be overthrown with military action? Oh well, she gets the prize and the money. (1.17 million comes with the prize).
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Another look at the moon landing.

And you know what the MSM is full of. Fairy tales.
Evidence? Just saying that MSM is full of fairy tales is a baseless statement. Besides, the moon landings, especially the first one in 1969, were broadcast not only by MSM, but by broadcasters all around the world, including the BBC.
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Morality without Absolute Morality

Yes I have always understood this rationalisation.

We can say if we are talking about murder that it is qualified already as an immoral act then it is absolutely immoral fullstop. Theres no contextualising.
How can you say that murder is an act qualified by the context and then say there's no contextualising?

Here's a question: I killed someone yesterday. Was it morally acceptable or unacceptable?

We'll save some time and I'll tell you what you're going to invariably say. Which will be that you can't tell because there's no context. It might be me killing someone just for fun or me acting to protect myself. Please pay close attention to this next statement:

Absolute morality means that acts are wrong regardless of context.

But to tell me if I was being immoral or not you need the context. It therefore cannot be defined as absolute morality by the very definition of the term. So when it's me killing to protect myself, 'killing' is the act and 'to protect myself' is the context. Obviously a case of relative morality. Because the morality would change if the context changes. If we change that context to 'just for fun' then it becomes immoral.

The fact that we have a term for both of those acts, being 'murder' and 'self defence' doesn't change anything.

Is lying morally acceptable? Well most people would say it would be ok if it was to save the family in the basement. That is a classic case of relative morality. Now if we had a word for 'lying to save a family in the basement from the Gestapo' - let's say it's 'zeitblinter', then to then say that zeitblinter is always wrong, therefore is an example of absolute morality, is absolute nonsense. If explaining the situation in a few words is an example of relative morality then how in heaven's name does explaining the situation with one word change it to an example of absolute morality?

That's crazy town.
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Exclusive: The White House is looking to replace Pete Hegseth as defense secretary

(Is ANYONE in this administration actually qualified to do the tasks they have been given?)
J.D. Vance. His job is to basically stay alive in case Trump doesn't, so he's as qualified as he needs to be.

-- A2SG, and that's the only one I can think of....
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The Nobel Peace Prize went to Venezuela’s Maria Corina Machado - why not Trump? He's solved 8 wars!


They gave the Nobel Peace prize to SOMEONE ELSE!?
But Trump's the very definition of it!

It goes to ... “the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies, and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”

And they refused Trump? Can you imagine!?

All Trump has done is:-
* break the law and become America's first convicted felon President,
* defraud New York City of real estate taxes to the tune of nearly half a billion dollars,
* harass and assault women,
* hang out with Jeffrey Epstein and then repeatedly promise to release the Epstein files the moment he got into office,
* and then stubbornly, repeatedly refuse to release the Epstein files the moment he got into office,
* dog whistle to the "Proud boys, stand back and stand by",
* paint every immigrant as being either insane, a criminal, or a rapist,
* inflame racism across the USA with his constant harping on about immigrants - even using the phrase 'poisoning the blood of the nation',
* deny due democratic process in the 2020 election,
* shout this Big Lie so loud and wide and often across the land it incited an attempted insurrection on Jan 06,
* attack free speech and call any critical media article 'fake news',
* demand comedians get banned from their networks,
* reduce access to the Press Room for balanced objective media like Reuters,
* threaten NATO, threaten to let Putin do 'whatever the hxxx he wants',
* largely defund Ukraine trying to defend itself,
* embarrass America and what it stands for with that sulky tantrum with Zelenskyy in the Oval Office,
* completely misread Putin and think their 'bromance' would result in peace,
* but instead he gave the dictator and war-monger the red carpet treatment - which resulted in NOTHING,
* threaten 'vengeance' on political opponents,
* weaponize the DOJ with a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist at the top & the same for sub-departments like the FBI,
* put an anti-vaxxer in charge of health,
* pull out of any climate agreements,
* lie about climate science and climate scientists - and spread conspiracy theories that result in climate scientists getting death threats,
* threaten to invade Greenland if necessary, absorb Canada, invade the Panama Canal, and generally act like an entitled bully on the world stage,
* whack illegal and vengeful tariffs on any nation he felt was 'unfair' (not understanding that buying cheap products was its own reward),
* appoint Hegseth as head of the military to fire any 'woke' Generals and Admirals who would not swear allegiance to their domestic political agenda,
* fire missiles on Venezuelan boats - whether they knew precisely who was in those boats or not,
* lie about Democrat cities being 'on fire' and 'looking like something from WW2.'
* illegally invade US cities with the National Guard!
* support Israel over the Palestinians for a disproportionately long time, enabling tens of thousands of deaths to occur under his watch,
* threatened to 'abolish' Palestine - as if Trump is the ultimate power in world affairs! He threatened to move ALL Palestinians out of Gaza into neighbouring countries, ignoring that Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews had lived peacefully together for 4 Centuries under the Ottoman Empire (1517 to 1917). (It just sounds so racist. Why not just say "They all look the same to me - so 'just' send them all over the place into neighbouring countries!")
* could only think of the Palestinian territory as one of his real estate cons, “the Riviera of the Middle East.” Forget all this international law stuff!
* Sulked as international will bent in sympathy to the Gazans, and said that the UK, France, Canada and Australia were all rewarding terrorists when we recognised Palestine as a state,
* Finally caved in to international will and developed a 20 point ceasefire plan as the images of ethnic cleansing and starving children finally caught his attention. *
* But the 20 point plan is not a durable, long term PEACE plan because it ignores the West Bank where illegal Israeli settlement-occupation and persecution is turning that area into the world's largest concentration camp - holding 3.4 MILLION Palestinians hostage in their own land!

Other than that - he's a great guy! He said he is!
It’s actually nine wars. He has preemptively won the War on Christmas.
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Men now surpass women in church attendance, especially among Gen X, millennials: Barna

There's a difference between being willing to serve, and being willing to have your energy co-opted to misdirected ends.
Yes, serve the Father, not man's concepts of what churches or life should be.
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Exclusive: The White House is looking to replace Pete Hegseth as defense secretary

Your extreme anti-Trump biases are leaping off the screen with practically every sentence you posted.
I too have served - in the Australian military for 4 years in Survey Corps.
So you support Hegseth, even though he:-

1. Politicized the military to be pro-MAGA?
He honestly sounded like he was recruiting the military to support one political party - not serve and protect the constitution of the country.

2. Changing Rules of Engagement?
America should NOT abandon the Geneva Convention and international law. These were hard won concepts from the 20th Century. If you do - there's no difference between you and Russia or ISIS.

3. Berated the entire military service in public?
Leaders encourage in public, discipline in private. It really sounds like Hegseth lost the plot!

I honestly have no words.
America has the leadership they deserve.
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(Is ANYONE in this administration actually qualified to do the tasks they have been given?)
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How do I stop doubting? (in prayer, or regarding the Gospel)

It depends what you want to believe in... Christianity has become so fragmented. The religion at man's behest wants you to believe all sorts of things. Jesus on the other hand made it clear we were to first seek the Kingdom. That found and you will understand. And he said one thing we were to do besides the two commandment... spread His only gospel, the Gospel of the Kingdom. Jesus chastised the priests of the day for keeping it from the people and the same has carried on until today. Clear up the clutter and what to believe will become clear. Don't let the clutter pushers dissuade you. Its all about the Father and His Kingdom, NOT the world of man. It's not just about us, but about His battle with adversity since the beginning of creation, first in His realm, then here.

Matthew 6: 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 24: 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 23: 13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
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Men now surpass women in church attendance, especially among Gen X, millennials: Barna

What's wrong with those women? Are their minds being polluted by popular culture?
In many cases, there's nothing wrong with them at all. They come into churches which are sexist, misogynistic, hostile, or downright abusive; discern the problems, realise this has nothing to do with the gospel or the reign of God, find that they have very little scope to make any real difference, and walk away, the better to use their gifts and strengths to make a positive difference elsewhere.

Some days I wonder why I haven't done the same, and I've been a priest for eleven years now...

@bèlla is right when she says something has to change.
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The Nobel Peace Prize went to Venezuela’s Maria Corina Machado - why not Trump? He's solved 8 wars!

Our military is blowing boats carrying drugs designed to kill Americans. Our military is protecting our fellow Americans.
We'll that's what the admin is claiming. That's not what they've proven.
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Men now surpass women in church attendance, especially among Gen X, millennials: Barna

red pill. The philosophy is demonic.
Absolutely not.

There is a saying, eat the meat, spit out the bones. It goes for everything, catholic vs protestant heresies too.

Men can learn a lot from various christian authors, but with regard to improving yourself to attract a better woman, its just the flesh.

and women must resist it too, but very few pastors dare speak against the games women play. My late friend and i had long conversations about this. What is missing is love.
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Discernment or dominance?

Church isn't joining an exclusive country club. Jesus said church was built upon only truth from the Father, not some institution. Sounds like the concept of servitude has been lost. Besides, isn't the idea of church to bring in the unlearn-ed and bring them to God. Or is the idea these days to only accept status seekers like themselves? Perhaps church has become a gated community.
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Democrat AG candidate called for 'two bullets' in the head of his opponent along with killing his children.

Whoosh? Even the people in the video said it went too far. Yet you do not? If there is a joke somewhere, I am not seeing it. I mean, would you feel the same way if a sitting president was found to make a similar inside joke in a locker room for far less egregious offenses? Like, let's say, grabbing women by the genitals? If that were to happen, I assume you would also dismiss it as just some crude locker room humor. You know? Just boys being boys...right?
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Democrat AG candidate called for 'two bullets' in the head of his opponent along with killing his children.

I never said it was illegal, and it is up to the voters to make what they will of it
People have been fired for posting less on TicTok. Just saying. In my opinion, anyone who supports Jay Jones supports political terrroristic threats.
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Democrat AG candidate called for 'two bullets' in the head of his opponent along with killing his children.

Sadly, I am not surprised at all that threats of political violence are seen as "inside jokes" for the liberal left. Truly, you are not helping the perception after Charlie Kirk's assassination.
Whoosh.
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