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If this is True then why ...

"The Old Covenant; all of it, every single command and ordinance, was surely cancelled.
That includes the
  • dietary restrictions,
  • sabbath observance,
  • sacrificial system,
  • and the 10 commandments"
NOTE:The above is a quote from someone from this forum, please don't take it as I am believing or saying this.


You can find similar words like this all over this forum, but this was a most recent declaration that brought all kinds of questions to me.

So if everything in the Old Covenant or the Torah was cancelled then why...

Do we still see Rainbows in the sky, a great sign of a promise the LORD made to all mankind? Found in Torah in Genesis 9

9And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; 10And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. 11And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. 12And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. 14And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: 15And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. 17And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

That sign is so important that, Did you know? there is one in heaven. Rev 4

behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
So when the LORD GOD uses words like 'perpetual, everlasting we need to understand that he means it.

The LORD had a conversation with a man named Job or Iov and spoke of the rulings he gave to other parts of his creation (which is part of Torah) and asked him

Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season,
or can you guide the Bear with its children?
33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you establish their rule on the earth?
34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
that a flood of waters may cover you?



Now you say that it isn't what you are talking about, instead the words spoken by the LORD to Moses for his People. The first we see that HE tried to speak them to the people but they were too frightened and asked Moses to go for them. To make sure there was no mistake that is was from the LORD HE wrote them himself , carved in stone. These (the second set) he told Moses to put into the Holiest of Holy places on earth, HIS throne, the Ark which is called the 'Ark of the Covenant' because that was the Ketubah made between the LORD (and Yeshua/Jesus as nothing was made that was made without him) and his chosen people.

This was to complete the instructions given to build the articles of the Tabernacle. They were accompanied by two witnesses, one of Priesthood (the rod of Aaron) and the provision by the LORD (the pot of manna).

Now through history the ark was stolen, returned, stolen again and today we don't know where it is (Ethiopia, likely a replica made by Solomon to accompany his son back with the Queen of Sheba) on Earth, but there is another place where it was seen where no one could steal it, make it disappear so no accounting can be made. That witness of the Ketuban/contract/Covenant made resides in heaven,

Rev 11:19​
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark (Containing) His covenant was seen within HIS temple.​
Where no one can say it's obsolete, where it is 'done away with', where it was cancelled, where it is no longer valid.​
It still exists under the guardianship of GOD and his HOLY angels.

People have come against them on earth, especially in the US and demanded that they be torn down, why if they are no longer valid? Could it be guilt for not keeping them?

And you know whats really interesting is that the Ark of HIS Covenant is in his Temple and surrounded by that other covenantal sign, the Rainbow.

Rev 10 hints to us that it's still important to know who the creator is (what Shabbat is all about).

6 and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay, 7 but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.

Pensacola Christian College Cancels Concert by Grammy-Award Winning The King's Singers Because One of the Members is Gay

The King's Singers says Christian college axed gig over sexuality


The King's Singers, founded in Cambridge, UK, said it was given just two hours' notice of Pensacola Christian College's (PCC) decision to axe the gig last Saturday.

PCC said a performer "maintained a lifestyle that contradicts Scripture".

The group has performed at the college in the past.

Per Wiki:

The King's Singers are a British a cappella vocal ensemble founded in 1968. They are named after King's College in Cambridge, England, where the group was formed by six choral scholars. In the United Kingdom, their popularity peaked in the 1970s and early 1980s. Thereafter they began to reach a wider American audience, appearing frequently on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson in the United States. In 1987, they were prominently featured as guests on the Emmy Award-winning ABC television special Julie Andrews: The Sound of Christmas.

I know them primarily for classical, Renaissance, religious and English songs.

UR verses are not taken out of context its the only view that is not out of context

Over and over on this forum I have seen certain people say that the verses that UR use to make the claim that Jesus is the savior of the world and not a potential savior are out of context . I submit that they are the ones who are taking verses or specifically words or word out of context, but they must do so as to not destroy the foundation of their tradition. Lets look at some verses for example; 1John2:2" and he himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins , and not only for our sins but also for the whole world. " We in UR say that the context is that Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for all sins not a potential savoir , for Jesus to be a potential savior you must read that into the text, and just incase someone would miss it John again stated the same thing again 1John4:14" And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world." Notice he did not say potential savior of the world that would be taking the verse out of context. The only reason that the ECT tradition can say its out of context is because they believe all verses that show that Jesus is the savior of the world are out of context because it goes against the foundation of their faith ECT. 1 Tim 4:7-11 Paul is telling Timothy to reject myths then in vs 9 it says " This saying is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance . vs 10 In fact this is why we work hard and struggle , because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers' 11 Command and teach these things," what's the context Paul is telling Timothy that the myth is those saying God/Jesus is not the savior of the world, notice he never says potential savior . Mater of fact Timothy is commanded to teach that God is the savior of the world, that's the context. Next look at Romans 5:12-21 this whole section of Romans is comparing what happened because of Adam to what Jesus did, vs12 " So then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all people because all sinned." vs 15 " But the gracious gift is not like the transgression , For if the many died through the transgression of the one man, how much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one man Jesus Christ multiply to the many" The context is that the gift Jesus gave is greater that the Sin that Adam brought into the world. Paul is saying that Jesus's gift is greater, had grater effect than the sin of Adam not less. For ECT to be true the Paul would have had to say that Jesus's death would be less powerful that the sin of Adam . The idea that Jesus's death is more powerful then the sin of Adam undercuts the bedrock of ECT , they must have either sin is more powerful than Jesus or our will is more powerful that Jesus, they cant read these verses in context. Romans 11:11-33 vs15 "For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world" not a reconciliation of part of the world but the whole. vs 32 "For God has consigned all people to disobedience so that he may show mercy to them all" it doesn't say to show mercy on a few but all, and if anyone is eternally punished I don't see how that is mercy, but we are the ones who are taking this verse out of context? Col 1:19-20 "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in the Son and through him to reconcile all things to himself by making peace through the blood of his cross-through him, whether things on earth or things in heaven" The context is that Jesus is firstborn over all creation ,all things were created by him and for him, he holds all things together in him, and he will reconcile all things to himself. It makes no sense to say he made all, holds all together, but the all in reconciling is not rally all its only some, but they must say that again to uphold the foundation of what they believe. /Is45:22-24 /Phil 2:9-11 the " every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord " In the Greek the word for confess is happily and joyfully not a forced action. the plain reading is the context God exalted Jesus above everything created and all will bow to him, not sum but all. There are many more but this is not a book , The reason they must use believe these are out of context is because anything that goes against ECT or Annihilation has to be out of context because even if it sounds like the passage is saying Jesus is the savior of the world if it goes against their foundation its out of context . I think we can play that game also, We know Jesus is the savior of the world and any verse that seems to say otherwise its out of context , our foundation is on Jesus and his accomplished work of the cross. WE also have a trump card which they reject we know that the word they used for eternal doesn't mean eternal its pertaining to the age, so any verse that says eternal torment is out of context because we know the context of the Bible its Gods love letter to the world of how he is redeeming the world to himself and just as it says in 1Cor15:28 " And when all things are subjected to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all "

VP Of BBC Says Producing Chinese Propaganda Ads Is ‘Vital’ For Funding Journalism


This attitude concerns me because big money is going to influence media outlets despite what they say.

Archeology that confirms the Bible

One such piece of archaeological evidence that confirms the Bible is the Babylonian Cyrus Cylinder, an artifact named after the Persian King Cyrus the Great. After being buried in the sands of time for almost 2,500 years, this remarkable object was discovered by English archaeologists in 1879 in Babylon. More importantly, the inscription states Cyrus allowed groups of people to return to their homelands to rebuild their "holy cities".


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The Asbury ‘Surprising Work of God’

A simple Google search is all that is required to look up the Asbury University Revival...


I first heard about this after visiting a Southern Baptist church where the pastor said he was interested in looking into it. I was at a Bible study this morning and the study leader brings it up... Have you heard about the Asbury University Revival? Come to find out this is turning out as something that is generating a great deal of interest as even the secular news agencies are reporting in on it.

A Mistake A Lot of People Make...

This is in response to the attempt at a thread of the laws of science vs the laws of God, and I think that it's an example of a big problem that a lot of people make regarding science. It'll be short and sweet though.

Simply put: science is descriptive, not prescriptive.
Science does not say a thing happens because it HAS TO BE. Science says a thing happens because that's what happens, and that's what the laws of science are. They are descriptions of how the world works based on observation and study.

The best example being the law of physics which says that no two objects can occupy the same space simultaneously. If you've ever seen a car crash, you get a good example of that, or if you're like me and was hit by a car at a young age, you'll know that fact very intimately (according to an observer, I went six feet in the air and eight feet across the ground).

All science does is describe what it sees in the world around us, and then, depending on discipline, it will break what was observed down into various parts to explain exactly how some things happened. Yes, there is a predictive power to it, but that is not the same as going "THOU MUST DO THIS!" as a lot of people seem to think science does. All the predictions do is say "Based on what we've seen, there is a likelihood that following this course of action will result in this outcome."

That's all there is to it.

Hand tool woodworking

I'm just getting into hand tool woodworking and so far I'm finding it a great way to relieve stress and work with my hands after a long day of sitting at a desk job. I've been surprised at how effective hand tools are, and even getting top-of-the-line tools you pay way less than you would with a power tool setup. Hopefully soon I'll have something worth showing here; so far I've just sharpened some tools and glued up a few pieces of 2x4 before planing them down to make an under-table mount for my bench vise. Planned projects are a coffee table, bookshelf, and spice rack.

Does anyone else here do woodworking with hand tools? Any tips?

Brilliant Author T. Davis Bunn!

His books are mysteries that would probably intrigue educated men. I am a female who read some of his books years ago.

"T. Davis Bunn was raised in North Carolina, taught international finance in Switzerland, worked in Africa and the Middle East, and was named managing director of an international business advisory group based in Dusseldorf. Now he is author of fourteen best selling novels, and counting. He has won numerous awards for his writing, and
his books are frequent book club selections. He and his wife Isabella, live in Oxford, England."

This information comes from the back of The Great Divide, copyright 2000.

Note: I'm not your average woman. I have taken only one college class. I seldom worked outside the home (lacking talent and job skills). All my siblings graduated from college. Two of my brothers earned PhD.s. But though I don't have anything to brag about I'm deeply impressed by those with higher education and particularly Mr. Bunn.

The Comprehension of the Erasure of a Justification For Morality

The erasure of our loving God who sets the parameters for our behaviour


Though it's never expressed as a stated belief or understood as such, our culture on a most fundamental level in it’s zeitgeist understands the erasure of a justification for moral actions. As seen with how marriages are now in effect dating and their reliance upon the feeling of love as the only foundation and when that feeling fades or transforms, so to does the marriage. The vows at the alter are void, they’re spoken between two souls without a reason to keep them. They are dead, meaningless tradition and nothing else. A form of expression of the love that they feel currently, as apposed to the longstanding faithful love that is to be representative of The Lord’s love for us which will continue on through mistakes and all transformations of the other person. That is until that person irrevocably severs themselves from you (2 Tim 2:13) or you both die and go to see the God who gave you life face to face (2 Cor 5:6-8).

Thus Naturalism, Materialism & Empiricism has permeated the being from the ground up. Through the enforcer of scientific thought which in itself ironically relies upon a nebulous pseudo-Platonic philosophy in order to say that it is true kinds of things exist (hardware stores, dogs & etc) as apposed to that particulars only exist (re-arranged wood, collection of cells & etc) which is the dogmatism of empiricism. Through this enforcer and it’s accompanied claims of empiricism it is easily understood that sensory experience and therefore the ‘self’ is what determines the value of moral actions. Not something that is independent of the person. Though this point is not thoroughly understood or even close to it, it’s basic principle is woven into every action and thought of the natural man. And unfortunately also as leftover garbage which needs to be discarded in the minds of many Saints.

This is why the emergence of ‘your truth’ & ‘my truth’ have coincided with the dictatorial rise of naturalistic philosophy. It’s the logical end (really beginning point) that the person is the arbiter of what is. The misnomer of ‘belief’ to mean ‘truth’ is also a logical end point as empiricism relies upon sensory experience as the justification for knowledge and belief therein is in essence the same as truth.

For Love is From God

1 John 4:7-12 ESV

“Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.”

Whoever Loves

This word “love” (agape) is centered in moral preference, and it means to prefer what God prefers, which is what is holy, righteous, godly, morally pure, upright, honest, and faithful, etc. For the believer in Jesus Christ, it is preferring to live through Christ, embracing God’s will, choosing his choices, and obeying them through his power (source: biblehub.com interlinear).

So, when this instructs us to love one another, this is the love it is speaking of, not human love which is based in our emotions. But this word “love” also is used to mean to take pleasure in and to long for and to esteem, which fits well with the passage of Scripture which teaches us not to love the world or the things in the world – the lust of the eyes, the lusts of the flesh, and the pride of life. We are not to take pleasure in and to long for those things (see 1 John 2:15-17), but we are to long for and to take pleasure in our Lord.

So, in today’s passage, when it says that whoever loves has been born of God and knows God, this is not speaking of human love based in our emotions but this is speaking of love as God is love, as defined above. This is love for God in walks of obedience to our Lord’s commands (New Covenant), and this is love for God in walks of surrender to our Lord in holiness and in righteousness, and in truth. And this is love for our fellow humans in purity of devotion to our Lord which does them no harm.

[Matt 7:21-23; Matt 24:9-14; Lu 9:23-26; Rom 1:18-32; Rom 2:6-8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14,24; Rom 12:1-2; Rom 13:11; 1 Co 6:9-10,19-20; 2 Co 5:10,15,21; 1 Co 1:18; 1 Co 15:1-2; 2 Tim 1:8-9; Heb 9:28; 1 Pet 1:5; Gal 5:16-21; Gal 6:7-8; Eph 2:8-10; Eph 4:17-32; Eph 5:3-6; Col 1:21-23; Col 3:5-17; 1 Pet 2:24; Tit 2:11-14; 1 Jn 1:5-9; 1 Jn 2:3-6,24-25; 1 Jn 3:4-10; Heb 3:6,14-15; Heb 10:23-31; Heb 12:1-2; Rev 21:8,27; Rev 22:14-15]

God Manifesting His Love

And God showed his love to us by sending his only begotten Son into the world to be the propitiation (atonement, payment) for our sins. Jesus Christ, the second person of our triune God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – left his throne in heaven, humbled himself, came to earth, was born as a baby to a human mother, conceived of the Holy Spirit, with God as his birth Father. He lived on this earth about 33 years.

During his years of ministry on this earth he healed the sick and afflicted, raised the dead, gave sight to the blind, delivered people from demons, fed the hungry miraculously, and performed multiple miracles. And he preached repentance and obedience as necessary components of believing faith which saves. For he taught that if anyone would come after him he must deny self, take up his cross daily (daily die to sin and to self) and follow (obey) him. For if we don’t, we do not have eternal life in him (Luke 9:23-26).

Now, Jesus did have crowds of people following him for a time, mainly because of the miracles he performed, and because he was healing their diseases. But he also had nemeses (opponents, antagonists) who hounded and harassed him continually, always looking for ways to trip him up so that they could accuse him of something. And their hate of him eventually drove them to plotting out and carrying out his death on a cross, although he had done no wrong but only good.

But in that death on that cross, Jesus Christ, who was perfect in every way, became sin for us, putting our sins to death with him, so that we might now die with him to sin and live to him and to his righteousness. But he didn’t remain dead. On the third day he rose from the dead victorious over the grave, hell, Satan, and sin, on our behalf, so that we can now live in victory over sin and in walks of holiness and in righteousness and in obedience to our Lord Jesus Christ.

[Isaiah 53:1-12; Matt 26:26-29; Lu 9:23-26; Lu 17:25; Jn 1:1-36; Jn 6:35-58; Jn 8:24,58; Jn 10:30-33; Jn 20:28-29; Rom 5:8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14; Rom 9:5; 1 Co 6:19-20; 1 Co 11:23-32; 1 Co 15:1-8; 2 Co 5:15,21; Eph 4:17-24; Php 2:5-11; Col 2:9; Tit 2:11-14; Heb 1:8-9; Heb 2:14-15; Heb 4:15; 1 Pet 2:24; 2 Pet 1:1]

Loving One Another

So, when this instructs us that we are to love one another, it is teaching us to love one another with this divine love, this pure love, which does no willful harm to another, but which does for others what is for their good. And it is to love others as God loves us, so this love is also self-sacrificial. And it is to love as Jesus loved us and gave himself up for us so that we can now live in freedom from slavery to sin and walk in his holiness and righteousness, to the glory and praise of God, and in his power and strength.

So when we love others with this kind of love we are going to have the mind of Christ in expressing this love, and we are going to have the will of God in mind as we express this love. So, this is not fleshly and worldly love. It is unselfish, and it thinks of others and their needs, including their spiritual needs. So when we love with this love we are going to be sharing the truth of the gospel with others for their salvation, and we are going to also be encouraging our fellow believers in their walks of obedience to our Lord.

[Matt 5:13-16; Matt 28:18-20; Jn 4:31-38; Jn 13:13-17; Jn 14:12; Acts 1:8; Acts 26:18; Rom 10:14-15; Rom 12:1-8; Rom 15:14; 1 Co 12:1-31; Eph 4:1-16; Eph 5:17-27; Php 2:1-8; Col 3:16; Heb 3:13; Heb 10:23-25; 1 Pet 2:9,21; 1 Jn 2:6]

Oh, to Be Like Thee, Blessed Redeemer

Lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm, 1897
Music by W. J. Kirkpatrick, 1897


Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! full of compassion,
Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
Seeking the wandering sinner to find.

O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
Willing to suffer others to save.

O to be like Thee! while I am pleading,
Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love;
Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
Fit me for life and Heaven above.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

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3 Dead, 5 injured, in Michigan State University shooting

A mass shooting at Michigan State University turned a routine Monday night into a "nightmare" after three people were killed, and several others were transported to the hospital with unknown injuries.

The gunman, whose disappearance after two shooting instances on campus sparked a campus-wide manhunt and dozens of responding police agencies, was found dead off-campus.

Who is the suspect?

Police released images of the suspect shortly after their first press conference.

Identified as a 43-year-old man with no affiliation to the school, police said they did not have a reason the individual was on the campus Monday night. Images of the suspect show a man wielding a handgun, wearing a denim jacket, black pants, and red shoes.




Prayers for everyone involved.

Dutch fighter jets intercept Russian aircraft near Polish border


Two Dutch F-35 fighter jets were scrambled to identify and intercept three aircraft flying near the Polish border with the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad on Monday, according to the Dutch Defense Ministry.

“The at-the-time unidentified aircraft approached the Polish NATO area of responsibility from Kaliningrad,” the ministry said in a statement.


“After identification, it turned out to be three aircraft: A Russian IL-20M Coot-A that was being escorted by two SU-27 Flankers. The Dutch F-35s escorted the formation from a distance and handed over the escort to NATO partners.”


Perhaps Russia is testing the waters here with regards to encroachment into NATO territory.
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How many Gentiles and Samaritans could have been saved if Jesus would have sent some disciples there?

These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
— Matthew 10:5-6

So here we have Jesus deliberately telling His disciples to not go to the Gentiles nor the Samaritans. How many Gentiles and Samaritans could have been saved if Jesus would have sent some disciples there?

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