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Evangelicals make up smaller share of US population than commonly thought: report

Only a third of Evangelicals attend Evangelical churches

Evangelicals make up a far smaller share of the United States population than expected due to a misunderstanding of the term, a new research report states, finding that the lack of a uniform biblical worldview among Evangelicals has negative implications.

The Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University, led by longtime Evangelical pollster George Barna, released the fourth installment of its American Worldview Inventory 2024 last week.

The report, focusing on "The Limitations of Christian Evangelicalism in American Society," concluded that "Evangelicals are far fewer in number than typically reported, often are far less biblical in their thinking than one might assume, and tend to vote in far fewer numbers than expected."

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Calling Yourself Into Service

Calling Yourself into Denominationalism

Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, the prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no wonder; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also are transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Divination: The Practice of seeing knowledge of the future or the unknown by supernatural means.

Neither have I Commanded the Fake Church=Denominationalism

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do: he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Jer 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Jer 9:5 And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.

Jer 27:15 For I have not sent them, saith the LORD, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you.

Lam 2:14 Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.

Neither have I Commanded the Fake Church=Denominationalism

Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

Jer 27:10 For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.

Jer 27:15 For I have not sent them, saith the LORD, yet they prophesy a lie in my name; that I might drive you out, and that ye might perish, ye, and the prophets that prophesy unto you.

Jer 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed. Jer 29:9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.

Isa 59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath uttered perverseness. Isa 59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. Isa 59:5 They hatch cockatrice eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper. Isa 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

Lying Prophets (BE NOT DECEIVED Matt 24:4)

  • Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not from men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
  • Jer 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he shall have executed, and till he shall have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
  • Jer 23:22 But if thy had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they would have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings. Jer 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off. Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. Jer 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. Jer 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Jer 23:27 Who think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD? Jer 23:29 Is not my word like a fire? saith the LORD? and like a hammer that break the rock in pieces? Jer 23:30 Therefore behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbor. Jer 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Jer 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
Stephen Fights Fake Church=Denominationalism Revelation Chapter 2&3

Act 6:8 And (Christian) Stephen, (1) full of faith and (2) power, (3) performed great wonders and (4) miracles among the people. Act 6:9 (BEGINNING OF DENOMINATIONALISM) Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the (1) synagogue of the Libertines (denominational division), and (2) Cyrenians (denominational division), and (3) Alexandrians (denominational division), and of them of (4) Cilicia (denominational division), and of (5) Asia (denominational division) disputing with Stephen. Act 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spoke. Act 6:11 Then they suborned men, who said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God. Act 6:12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council, Act 6:13 And set up false witnesses, who said, This man ceases not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: Act 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place, and will change the customs which Moses delivered to us. Act 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking steadfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel.

Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departure grievous wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also from your own selves will men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive:

1Ti 1:10 For lewd persons, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men-stealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

'Evil,' ripping off babies' legs, $1K for liver: 3 shocking scenes in CMP’s undercover videos

Abortionist Deborah Nucatola, senior director of medical services for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, explains how the organization sells aborted baby body parts such as the heart lungs, liver, limbs and brain to a fetal tissue wholesaler in Los Angeles, California, on July 25, 2014.
Abortionist Deborah Nucatola, senior director of medical services for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, explains how the organization sells aborted baby body parts such as the heart lungs, liver, limbs and brain to a fetal tissue wholesaler in Los Angeles, California, on July 25, 2014. | Screenshot/Center for Medical Progress

Recently unsealed footage captured by the pro-life watchdog group Center for Medical Progress shows a Planned Parenthood abortionist demonstrating how she might “pull off a leg or two” when performing abortions to avoid violating federal law against partial-birth abortion.

CMP asserts that their recorded conversations with abortionists prove that Planned Parenthood violated the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act and sold aborted babies' body parts for profit.

The pro-life investigative group released a series of undercover videos in 2015 that show Planned Parenthood abortionists describing how they might alter their methods of performing abortions to obtain intact organs, limbs and tissue from aborted babies. The group’s founder, David Daleiden, and fellow investigator Sandra Merritt are two of the individuals heard talking with the abortionists and clinic directors seen in the undercover videos.

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Were angels created in the image of God?

I think so.

By angels, I mean conscious beings in the spiritual realm.

John 4:

24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.
God is spirit. Angels are spirits.

Mk 12:

25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Man is created in the image of God. Resurrected men are like angels. Angels were likely created in the image of God.

Revelation 7:

11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living beings. And they fell before the throne with their faces to the ground and worshiped God.
Job 1:

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Angels are sons of God.

Define soul as the faculties of conscience, volition, intellect, emotion, and memory. Each angel has his unique soul.

Angels were created in the image of God. Like God, angels are spirits. They worship God. They are called sons of God. They have souls.

Are angels and men the same kind of image of God?

No, we are different kinds of images of God. Man and angel are different image bearers of God. Angels cannot repent. The Holy Spirit does not dwell in them as he dwells in believers.

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The Burden of Christ

How can we better understand the burden of Christ?

We know that we can help in carrying his cross. We are also commanded to take his yoke upon us.

The method of execution. Marriage to carbon.

He took our place. But he did not sin. His body will not see corruption.

We share his body, and we carry his burden.

Until he is glorified, and he can partake in the fruit of the vine again.

The times demand serious economic ideas. Harris supplies gimmicks.


Vice President Kamala Harris’s speech Friday was an opportunity to get specific with voters about how a Harris presidency would manage an economy that many feel is not working well for them. Unfortunately, instead of delivering a substantial plan, she squandered the moment on populist gimmicks.
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Dennis Quaid Says Facebook is Censoring Efforts to Promote 'Reagan' Film

In the film, Quaid plays Reagan when he was president of the Screen Actors Guild, governor of California and U.S. president while Disney Channel star David Henrie plays him in his younger years when he was a lifeguard and radio broadcaster. The movie also stars Jon Voight, C. Thomas Howell, Mena Suvari, Penelope Ann Miller, Leslie-Anne Down and Dan Lauria.
"My challenge to Facebook is to ask if any of these tactics were used against other recent presidential biopics like Lincoln, LBJ, or Southside with You, a film about President Barack Obama, which was also released during an election year," Quaid said in his statement.

There are those who feel suppressing information on U.S. history is in the best interest of their political agenda.

Harris’ plan to stop price gouging could create more problems than it solves


Food prices have surged by more than 20% under the Biden-Harris administration, leaving many voters eager to stretch their dollars further at the grocery store.

On Friday, Vice President Kamala Harris said she has a solution: a federal ban on price gouging across the food industry.

“My plan will include new penalties for opportunistic companies that exploit crises and break the rules,” Harris said at a campaign event.

There’s just one issue: Harris’ proposal could create more problems than the one it’s trying to solve, some economists say
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Emergency plane landings for Trump, then Vance

As you may be well aware, last week, Trump had to make an emergency landing with his plane. And just very recently Vance has had to do the same.

Coincidence? Incredibly unlikely. Emergency landings are incredibly unlikely and incredibly uncommon.

Please pray for the safety of those two men. Please pray that any involved in assassination attempts will be always thwarted. And pray for justice and defeat of any evil doers.

The responsibility for the Fall

When God drove mankind out of the Garden, he placed cherubim to guard the entrance (Genesis 3:24). But why didn't he place a cherub at the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thereby preventing unforgivable sin? And in the Mesopotamian version, why did the gardener Tagtug get the instruction not to eat from the cinnamon tree? What is the likelihood that he would have stood there, gnawing on the bark, if he hadn't received the warning? It's like God incited the catastrophe, because it was necessary that mankind took the burden of sin for the Fall.

Foolishness and deceptiveness of orthodox beliefs

Orthodox look very stupid defending church beliefs since if you need the church to be saved how can who is in a country where he is far from priests be saved or if one is close to priest but dies before he can reach priest. Some may try to say such people in other countries will not go to heaven but not to hell either but such is deceptive as all need jesus but how about those close to church does church teach need to be catechumen to be saved and if so what does it take to be catechumen but if one does not where does church explain one does not need to be catechumen to be saved because it may not be possible.

But actually the gospel is required for everyone that is why the great commision says to preach the gospel to every creature he who does not believe will be damned so that atleast those who heard and did not believe will be damned

A look at Isaiah 1:1-27 and John 4:1-5:47

ISAIAH 1:1-27

The prophet has a difficult calling, he tells Israel of their unfaithfulness, sinfulness, and how they wander away from God, and Adonai has to put up with the sacrifices, and celebration of “new Moons” the High Holy Days. Etc. not that there is anything bad in celebrating them, BUT…. when these are done in the “flesh” and not with the heart, and because these are “things that you just have to do” then, God wants NONE OF THESE! Many people that adhere to “religion” go through “rites and traditions” just because they are used to “doing them” This in no way pleases Adonai, HOWEVER…when we do things with a pure heart, and with a spirit of “worship and praise” then…Adonai welcomes it. The LORD says through the prophet;

Come now, let us reason together, though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool… IF…ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land” It is all CONDITIONAL!

We have the same choice, IF we choose to love and follow the LORD, by accepting HIM as LORD and Savior, then follow and do his commandments, following in his footsteps, THEN… we will reap the rewards, first is eternal life in Heaven, second will be spiritual blessings and perhaps even physical blessings while we are on earth, and even more, in Heaven. Again, the choice is ours to take.

JOHN 4:1-5:47

This tells the story of the woman of Samaria, who comes to the well to draw water and receives an even better blessing. She gets her water and even more, the “Living Water” She meets her “Messiah”. Interestingly, she is the first person who Yeshua reveals himself as Messiah, without riddles, just in plain words;

The woman said; “I know that the Messiah is coming, and when he comes, he will teach us all things” (John 4:25. Yeshua responds by saying; “I AM the one who speaks to you” In Aramaic it’s “Enah-na damalel na amehee” as this was the common language of the street then. Or one could rephrase and say, “It is I, (the Messiah) who speaks to you.”

Messiah Yeshua came for the first time to teach the Torah, heal the sick, raise the dead, and pay our sin debt with his own blood. He came as the Lamb of God to take away the sin of the world, to receive punishment and suffering on our behalf. He came as Yeshua Ben Yosef, the suffering servant. Yet he will return as the Lion of Judah, as Messiah Yeshua Ben David, to set up his kingdom, establish Shalom, and reign with perfect justice. we imagine Yeshua as all merciful and full of love, yet He is also the God of vengeance who will punish evildoers, and put an end to Satan and all who follow him by casting all evildoers into the Lake of Fire. Many don't want to hear that part, only the "God is Love" part, yet He is both.

No doubt she had a life-changing experience, she went to tell the others about Yeshua. Isn’t that what we are supposed to do? Receive Yeshua as LORD and Savior, then, tell the world, go and teach others to respond to the calling of Adonai in their lives. Is HE part of YOUR LIFE?

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Elon Musk and Donald Trump dance to Bee Gees' 'stayin' alive' in viral video

Elon Musk and Donald Trump dance to Bee Gees' 'stayin' alive' in viral video​

The AI generated video has attracted over 650,700 views and received more than 3,500 retweets.

Billionaire Elon Musk shared an AI-generated video today featuring himself and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump dancing to the Bee Gees' song "Stayin' Alive."

The edited video features Musk in a gray suit and Trump in a navy suit with a red tie, as they dance together.

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Is this anti-social behaviour by Church pastor?

Some years ago I joined a celebrate recovery group in a local church.
I sometimes attended the church meetings.

I had my own church to attend.

I'm still friends with the Church pastor, (on facebook) although I don't know her that very well.
I was surprised to see her FB update where she was talking about a game her and her grandchildren
play where they add random products to people's shopping trolleys in supermarkets. The object of this, is to watch random people pick up groceries they didn't select, only to put them through the checkout scanner.
They were not doing it as much now, due to the economic crisis(I am not in America)
but were now choosing to tie the plastic fruit/vegetable bags to other shoppers trolley carts
and watch the plastic bags being torn along.

This woman and her pastor husband hand out free food and vegetables to the community which is a wonderful
testimony but I cannot fathom why they want to play jokes on unexpecting random supermarket shoppers.

It sounds quite childish but I am in shock that a woman in her 60's would be encouraging her
grandchildren to play such anti-social games.

Job Titles

Hello everyone!

I wanted to ask people's thoughts on this job related issue. Basically I am an IT guy for a company that has 7 offices across the state that I live in. This company has offices around the entire US and has an HQ in another state, but I only support the employees at offices in my state. Awhile ago, my manager, the regional IT manager was fired for being incompetent and never showing up for work. When that happened, I was given a "dry promotion". I was given all the responsibilities and duties of the IT manager, while receiving no title or pay increase. It's also worth mentioning that I'm now the only IT guy for my entire state.

I was obviously bothered by this, and arranged for a series of meetings with my mangers and HR. The first meeting resulted in them telling me that they were short staffed so I had to pick up the slack and help the team. The second meeting was a lot of vague corporate jargon that did not tell me anything. The third meeting was them confirming that they would not be hiring anyone else, besides a guy from another state who's office had been downsized, and would temporarily help me if I needed anything. He's entirely remote. Given the nature of the job, there's very little he can do being remote, so since then, I've been the primary point of contact for all IT stuff in the entire state.

Now what I thought it was fair to do since I'm doing all the duties and responsibilities of the IT manager, was to change my job title and description on Linkedin and my resume to better reflect it. My career focus is trying to get into IT management, so having this on there would help me. I don't personally see any issue with it as it more honestly reflects the work I do. However my wife thought it was a bad idea and makes me look bad to future employers. She also said it could be sinful. Obviously if I were in a job interview, I would explain the whole situation, but not having that on there would likely prevent me from getting an interview at all.

I am wondering what people's thoughts are on this. I understand it is likely a gray area. My view is more based on the motive behind it. I'm not trying to be deceitful, just trying to showcase what I actually do and what my experience is.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!

Justice and vengeance

Justice and vengeance are distinct concepts. While some argue for punitive justice, which may appear akin to vengeance, others support rehabilitation as the aim of justice, differing significantly from vengeance. Holy scriptures suggest that justice is a divine mandate, emphasizing fairness and restoration, whereas vengeance is an emotional response, often leading to further harm. Justice is about balance and equity, guided by principles and laws, while vengeance is driven by personal retribution. What do you think that the holy scriptures have to say about the systems of justice used in your land?
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Comer Initiates Another Investigation (Political Circus) Into Walz' "relationship with China"

In a letter to FBI Director Christopher A. Wray, House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.) wrote that Walz (D) had “concerning ties” to China, citing the governor’s dozens of trips to the country, and requested a trove of documents and information related to Chinese entities that Walz has engaged with.

“Americans should be deeply concerned that Governor Walz, Kamala Harris’s vice-presidential running mate, has a long-standing and cozy relationship with China,” Comer said in a statement. “Mr. Walz has visited China dozens of times, served as a fellow at a Chinese institution that maintains a devotion to the CCP, and spoke alongside the President of a Chinese organization the State Department exposed as a CCP effort to influence and co-opt local leaders.”

[red flag...politicians telling us what we should be deeply concernced with]


And what did Tim Walz do? This reeks of McCarthyism....

Walz first went to China in 1989 as part of a teach-abroad program run by Harvard University, and he taught English and American history for one year. Later on with his wife, Gwen, Walz established Educational Travel Adventures, which coordinated trips to China.

In the years since, during his time in elected office, Walz has served on the Congressional-Executive Commission on China, and spearheaded legislation that censured the country’s human rights record. He has been critical of the Chinese government’s actions for most of his time in public office.


Another political circus compliments of your GOP Oversight Committee led by James Comer.

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Harris Campaign Requires Employees to Be ‘Up to Date’ on COVID-19 Vaccines

Vice President Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign is requiring its employees to be “up to date” on COVID-19 vaccines, according to a job listing from the campaign, which is searching for National Booker.

The Harris campaign has a job listing for a “National Booker,” tasked with working “with the Surrogates Communications Director and Deputy Communications Director to execute Harris for President’s strategy for deploying surrogates and allies across national and regional media outlets.” According to the listing, the National Booker is also tasked with managing daily reservations with media bookers and “developing strategies to increase the visibility of campaign spokespeople and surrogates across TV networks, radio, digital streaming programs, podcasts, and more.”

Required skills and qualifications for the job are fairly run-of-the-mill: three to five years of experience in media or communications, a strong interest in media or politics, good instincts, and the ability to thrive in a “fast-paced environment.”

However, in the fine print at the bottom of the listing, the campaign makes it clear that it also expects the would-be employee to be completely caught up on his or her coronavirus vaccinations.

The requirement reads:

Harris for President requires all employees to be “up to date” on COVID-19 vaccination status as prescribed by the CDC as a condition of employment, unless otherwise prohibited by applicable law. If you seek a reasonable accommodation in relation to the campaign’s COVID-19 policy, you should speak to the HR Department prior to reporting to an office location.
It remains unclear what the campaign considers a “reasonable accommodation” to sidestep the coronavirus vaccination rules, such as concerns over adverse effects.

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