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Help with Matthew 16:26

Hi there,

Just interested in opinions on this verse...

Matthew 16:26
What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

Is Jesus talking about missing out on blessing in this life.

Is Jesus talking about dying after judgement?

Do the unsaved loose their soul ?

Your thoughts please?

What is biblical truth when there is no consensus?

Some present their views as if they themselves are an authority on biblical interpretation.

Worst case, they attempt to end the discussion by claiming your argument is not with them.
Basically, playing the "God card".

Do we leave no room for the interpretations brought by others? Showing intolerance.

What is biblical truth when there is no consensus?

I need a little bit of help.

I come from a non-religious family. Both my parents are scientists. I ended up turning to Christ on my own (more like he called me, but long story) and repented. But obviously my parents wont...I dont want to loose them. I dont want to loose them to hell and idk what to do. Theres no way they will repent, and yet theres no other way to get them into heaven. Can I pray and ask for forgiveness FOR them? Obviously I dont know all their sins but maybe I can try? Idk

Incredible Case Of The Only Individual Whose Parents Were Two Different Species

Highlights
An ancient child from Siberia is believed to be the only know individual whose parents were from two different species. The studied remains belonged to a girl who had a Neanderthal mother and a Denisovan father.

ancient-teen

The ancient teenager

Found in Denisova Cave, this child — known as “Denisova 11” — was at least 13 years of age at the time of her death. Analysis of a piece of her bone found that the girl died more than 50,000 years ago. The cause of her death and how she lived is still being investigated.​
This discovery occurred through ancient DNA analysis, whereby a small piece of the teenager’s bone was pulverised, the DNA extracted, and then sequenced. The sequence was then compared to previously analysed samples from Neanderthals, modern humans, and Denisovans. Her genetic traits could only be explained if her mother was a Neanderthal and her father was a Denisovan.​

Species replaced by humans 40,000 years ago

Neanderthals and Denisovans inhabited Eurasia until about 40,000 years ago when they were replaced by modern humans (Homo sapiens). But before this replacement occurred, there appears to have been a fair bit of mingling going on whenever the different groups met.​

Is the threat of hell spiritual extortion?

We read a lot here about the free-will choice to follow Jesus.
And there is healthy debate about how that may come about, or what may be required.

But when the threat of hell is included, it no longer exists as a free-will decision.
Now we are dealing with extortion, an "or else" situation. Coercion by threat of violence.
And not just violence, but the most sadistic torture imaginable.
Assuming ECT. (eternal conscious torment)

The proponents of hell defend it tooth and claw. Seemingly oblivious to the extortion.
"Receive the gift of eternal life; or if you prefer, you will be incinerated."
A free-will choice, or spiritual extortion?

Help me to understand why this is okay.

The OT Law

Is the law still relative in God's eyes?

Especially in light of Luke 16,
To me, this says that John the Baptist is a time marker we can see where salvation comes into the light, and from that time forward salvation is to be preached.
However, the law has not passed away or vanished. Jesus seems to be saying heaven and earth will pass away before the law does.

Luke 16
16. The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the gospel of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.
17. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law


I do not think we can fully understand what the law is if we just read the OT, the NT is what actually reveals the law's purpose and true meaning. In the NT we will find much scripture about the Law.


Jesus himself says he came not to abolish the law but fulfill the law.

Matthew 5-17
17. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

I have always wondered what fulfilled means in a way that I could relate to what is being said. I know he was the only one to keep the law fully and perfectly.
But I think it is more than that. I think it also means the true meaning of the law was never revealed until it was actually fulfilled. By Jesus fulfilling the law he shines a light on the true meaning and purpose of the law, which seems was never revealed in the OT. Jesus himself said the law

According to the scripture, The meaning of the law was to show us how sinful we truly are and how we could never earn our way to heaven. But it hangs on loving God with all your heart soul and mind and loving your neighbor as yourself.

Matthew 22
37 Jesus declared, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.e
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

So in light of the NT teaching on the OT law, we know that it never saved anyone and that it was incomplete until Jesus came and fulfilled it and revealed to us what it really meant.

The Law Never saved anyone

Romans 3-20
20. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

James 2-10
10. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

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So is the OT law still relative in God's eyes?? I personally do not see how it could be. However, this is where I see a big difference in the way some think about the bible, and has me wondering.

The OT was to the Jews mainly and God calls them "my people" many times all throughout the OT. And God spoke to the Jews in a way that seems to indicate that what he was saying was only for the Jews and it was an everlasting thing. An example of this is Jewish Statues and Law.

Leviticus 16:29
And this shall be a statute forever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country or a stranger that sojourneth among you:

Leviticus 16:31
It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute forever.

Leviticus 23:21
And ye shall proclaim on a selfsame day, that it may be a holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute forever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.


So was he telling them to keep his OT statues forever as it seems plainly written, or was he only giving him the partial meaning of all this, and using all this to Point to Jesus Christ his son who would fulfill and reveal the full meaning of the law?

To me it seems the NT and Jesus coming is a fulfillment of the law meaning Jesus revealed its true purpose and reason for the Law, God said the law is forever Jesus does not contradict this, he just explains it in a way that the OT did not reveal.
The whole law hangs on Loving God with all you got, and your neighbor as yourself. It always been about that, but it was not understood until THe NT. So I have to conclude I personally do not think God sees the OT law relative today in the way it was written in the OT, but does see it relative today in the way Jesus explains it.

I see the big divide on this subject as a lot of people I talk with seem to think that the Jewish people are still under the law and it is relative in God's eyes. Yet we know that no one ever kept the law, and the law never saved anyone, so how can it be relative??


Trump linked to fake Nevada electors plot

LAS VEGAS (AP) — New transcripts of closed-door testimony to the Jan. 6 House committee show Donald Trump and his allies had a direct hand in the Nevada Republican Party’s scheme to send a phony electoral certificate to Congress in 2020 in a last-ditch attempt to keep the former president in power.

The documents made public Wednesday evening included interviews with state party leader Michael McDonald and Republican National Committeeman Jim DeGraffenreid in February. Both men served as fake electors in Carson City on Dec. 14, 2020.


The depths to which Donald Trump and his lackeys will descend in order to keep him in office seems to be bottomless. :angry:

You Must Be Complete

"You, therefore, must be complete, as your heavenly Father is complete."
– Matthew 5:48
Matthew 5:43-48 is an expounding of the Second Greatest Commandment by our Lord. It is the Christian's duty to love all men, not some; to pray for all men, not for some. Our service in this world is not only to the Church. We are not called to be incomplete (or imperfect), but rather to be impartial in our goodwill toward all men, just as He is impartial in His goodwill toward all men, for, "He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust" (v. 45). He does not show His common grace in an incomplete manner, so neither shall we. We must be imitators of Him.

It seems pretty self-explanatory, so is there anything else we can learn from this passage?

The Early Church Fathers Were Historicist - Not Preterist or Futurist

H. Grattan Guinness (regarded as "England's greatest Bible prophecy teacher") elaborates below on the following 8 points, followed by his comment on Futurism:

1. The Fathers interpreted the four beasts of Daniel as Babylon, MedoPersia, Greece, Rome
2. The Fathers believed the Ten Horns of Daniel and Revelation are the same
3. The Fathers interpreted the Apocalypse (Book of Revelation) via Historicism
4. The Fathers believed that Daniel, Paul, and John describe in different ways the same Antichrist power
5. The Fathers believed the "Restrainer" of 2 Thess. 2 was the Pagan Roman Empire, not an Agent of Holiness
6. The Fathers believed Rome's fall was and the emergence of Antichrist was imminent, not 2,000+ years later
7. The Fathers believed the Antichrist would rule over the fallen Roman Empire
8. The Fathers believed "Babylon" wasn't literal, but symbolic for Rome where they believed Antichrist sat

1. The Fathers interpreted the four wild beasts of prophecy as representing the four empires, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome.
Here we have the foundation of the historical interpretation of prophecy. Take as an instance the words of Hippolytus on the great image and four wild beasts of Daniel : ” The golden head of the image,” he says, “is identical with the lioness, by which the Babylonians were represented ; the shoulders and the arms of silver are the same with the bear, by which the Persians and Medes are meant ; the belly and thighs of brass are the leopard, by which the Greeks who ruled from Alexander onwards are intended ; the legs of iron are the dreadful and terrible beast, by which the Romans who hold the empire now are meant ; the toes of clay and iron are the ten horns which are to be;the one other little horn springing up in their midst is the antichrist ; the stone that smites the image and breaks it in pieces, and that filled the whole earth, is Christ, who comes from heaven and brings judgment on the world.” 1 This statement is remarkable for its clearness, correctness, and condensation, and expresses the view held still by the historic school.

Hippolytus says, in the treatise on ” Christ and Antichrist “: “Rejoice, blessed Daniel, thou hast not been in error ; all these things have come to pass” (p. 19). “Already the iron rules ; already it subdues and breaks all in pieces ; already it brings all the unwilling into subjection ; already we see these things ourselves. Now we glorify God, being instructed by thee ” (p. 20).

2. The Fathers held that the ten-horned beasts of Daniel and John are the same.
As an instance, Irenaeus, in his book “Against Heresies,” chap, xxvi., says : “John, in the Apocalypse, . . . teaches us what the ten horns shall be which were seen by Daniel”

3. The Fathers held the historic interpretation of the Apocalypse.
As Elliott says, none of the Fathers ” entertained the idea of the apocalyptic prophecy overleaping the chronological interval, were it less or greater, antecedent to the consummation, and plunging at once into the times of the consummation.” Here, for example commentary of Victorinus on the Apocalypse of John, written towards the end of the third century. This is the earliest commentary extant on the Apocalypse as a whole. In this, the going forth of the white horse under the first seal is interpreted of the victories of the gospel in the first century. This view, you will observe, involves the historical interpretation of the entire book of Revelation. Victorinus interprets the woman clothed with the sun, having the moon under her feet, and wearing a crown of twelve stars on her head, and travailing in her pains, as “the ancient Church of fathers, prophets, saints, and apostles ” ; in other words, the Judaeo-Christian body of saints. He could not of course point to fulfilments which were at his early date still future, but he recognises the principle.

4. The Fathers held that the little horn of Daniel, the man of sin foretold by Paul, and the revived head of the Roman empire predicted by John, represent one and the same power ; and they held that power to be the antichrist.
For example, Origen, in his famous book, ” Against Celsus" thus expresses himself (bk. vi., chap. xlvi.). After quoting nearly the whole of Paul’s prophecy about the man of sin in 2 Thessalonians, which he interprets of the antichrist, he says : “Since Celsus rejects the statements concerning antichrist, as it is termed, having neither read what is said of him in the book of Daniel, nor in the writings of Paul, nor what the Saviour in the gospels has predicted about his coming, we must make a few remarks on this subject. . . . Paul speaks of him who is called antichrist, describing, though with a certain reserve, both the manner and time and cause of his coming. . . . The prophecy also regarding antichrist is stated in the book of Daniel, and is fitted to make an intelligent and candid reader admire the words as truly Divine and prophetic ; for in them are mentioned the things relating to the coming kingdom, beginning with the times of Daniel, and continuing to the destruction of the world.”

Jerome, in his commentary on the book of Daniel (chap, vii.), says, with reference to the little horn which has a mouth speaking great things, that “it is the man of sin, the son of perdition, who dares to sit in the temple of God, making himself as God.”

5. The Fathers held that the Roman empire was the ” let” or hindrance, referred to by Paul in 2 Thessalonians, which kept back the manifestation of the ”man of sin”.
This point is of great importance. Paul distinctly tells us that he knew, and that the Thessalonians knew, what that hindrance was, and that it was then in existence. The early Church, through the writings of the Fathers, tells us what it knew upon the subject, and with remarkable unanimity affirms that this “let,” or hindrance, was the Roman empire as governed by the Caesars ; that while the Caesars held imperial power, it was impossible for the predicted antichrist to arise, and that on the fall of the Caesars he would arise. Here we have a point on which Paul affirms the existence of knowledge in the Christian Church. The early Church knew, he says, what this hindrance was. The early Church tells us what it did know upon the subject, and no one in these days can be in a position to contradict its testimony as to what Paul had, by word of mouth only, told the Thessalonians. It is a point on which ancient tradition alone can have any authority. Modern speculation is positively impertinent on such a subject.

What then was the view of the early Church ? Look at the words of Tertullian. Quoting Thessalonians, he says : ” Now ye know what detaineth that he might be revealed in his time, for the mystery of iniquity doth already work ; only he who now hinders must hinder until he be taken out of the way. What obstacle is there but the Roman state ; the falling away of which, by being scattered into ten kingdoms, shall introduce antichrist, . . . that the beast antichrist, with his false prophet, may wage war on the Church of God ?

Read the words of Chrysostom in his ” Commentary on 2 Thessalonians ” : ” One may first naturally inquire what is that which withholdeth, and after that would know why Paul expresses this so obscurely, . . . ‘he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.’ That is, when the Roman empire is taken out of the way, then he shall come ; and naturally, for as long as the fear of this empire lasts, no one will readily exalt himself; but when that is dissolved, he will attack the anarchy, and endeavour to seize upon the government both of men and of God. For as the kingdoms before this were destroyed, that of the Medes by the Babylonians, that of the Babylonians by the Persians, that of the Persians by the Macedonians, that of the Macedonians by the Romans, so will this be by antichrist’, and he by Christ.” Then accounting for Paul’s reserve in alluding to this point he adds : ” Because he says this of the Roman empire, he naturally only glanced at it and spoke covertly, for he did not wish to bring upon himself superfluous enmities and useless dangers. For if he had said that, after a little while, the Roman empire would be dissolved, they would now immediately have even overwhelmed him as a pestilent person, and all the faithful as living and warring to this end.”

From Irenaus, who lived close to apostolic times, down to Chrysostom and Jerome, the Fathers taught that the power withholding the manifestation of the ” man of sin ” was the Roman empire as governed by the Caesars. The Fathers therefore belong to the historic, and not to the futurist school of interpretation ; for futurists imagine that the hindrance to the manifestation of the man of sin is still in existence, though the Caesars have long since passed away.

6. The Fathers held that the fall of the Roman empire was imminent, and therefore the manifestation of antichrist close at hand.
Justin Martyr, for example, one of the earliest of the Fathers, in his ” Dialogue with Trypho,” chap, xxxii., says : ” He whom Daniel foretells would have dominion for ‘ time and times and a half is already even at the door, about to speak blasphemous and daring things against the Most High.”

Cyprian, in his ” Exhortation to Martyrdom,” says: “Since . . . the hateful time of antichrist is already beginning to draw near, I would collect from the sacred Scriptures some exhortations for preparing and strengthening the minds of the brethren, whereby I might animate the soldiers of Christ for the heavenly and spiritual contest.”

7. The Fathers held that the ” man of sin’,’ or antichrist, would be a ruler or head of the Roman empire.
A striking illustration of this is the interpretation by Irenaeus and Hippolytus of the mysterious number 666, the number of the revived head of the beast, or antichrist. Irenaus gives as its interpretation the word Latinos. He says : ” Latinos is the number 666, and it is a very probable (solution), this being the name of the last kingdm, for the LATINS are they who at present bear rule” x

Hippolytus gives the same solution in his treatise on ” Christ and Antichrist.”

8. The Fathers held that the Babylon of the Apocalypse means Rome.
On this point they were all agreed, and their unanimity is an important seal on the correctness of this interpretation. Teriullian, for example, in his answer to the Jews, says : ” Babylon, in our own John, is a figure of the city Rome, as being equally great and proud of her sway, and triumphant over the saints ” (chap. ix.). Victorinus, who wrote the earliest commentary on the Apocalypse extant, says, on Revelation xvii. : “The seven heads are the seven hills on which the woman sitteth that is, the city of Rome:’

Hippolytus says : “Tell me, blessed John, apostle and disciple of the Lord, what didst thou see and hear concerning Babylon ? Arise and speak, for it sent thee also into banishment” 3 You notice here the view that Rome which banished the Apostle John is the Babylon of the Apocalypse.

Augustine says, ” Rome, the second Babylon, and the daughter of the first, to which it pleased God to subject the whole world, and bring it all under one sovereignty, was now founded.” 1 In chap, xxviii. he calls Rome “the western Babylon” In chap. xli. he says : ” It has not been in vain that this city has received the mysterious name of Babylon ; for Babylon is interpreted confusion, as we have said elsewhere.”

It is clear from these quotations that the Fathers did not interpret the Babylon of the Apocalypse as meaning either the literal Babylon on the Euphrates, or some great city in France or England, but as meaning Rome. And this is still the interpretation of the historic school, though for the last 800 years events have proved Babylon to represent Rome, not in its pagan, but in its Papal form.

It should be noted that none of the Father’s held the futurist gap theory, the theory that the book of Revelation overleaps nearly eighteen centuries of Christian history, plunging at once into the distant future, and devoting itself entirely to predicting the events of the last few years of this dispensation. As to the subject of antichrist, there was a universal agreement among them concerning the general idea of the prophecy, while there were differences as to details, these differences arising chiefly from the notion that the antichrist would be in some way Jewish as well as Roman. It is true they thought that the antichrist would be an individual man. Their early position sufficiently accounts for this. They had no conception and could have no conception of the true nature and length of the tremendous apostasy which was to set in upon the Christian Church. They were not prophets, and could not foresee that the Church was to remain nineteen centuries in the wilderness, through prolonged and bitter persecution under a succes of nominally Christian but apostate rulers, filling the place of the ancient Caesars and emulating their antichristian deeds. Had they known these things, we may well believe their views would have completely harmonized with those of historic interpreters of later times.
The Fathers went as far as they could go in the direction in which historical interpreters of these last days have traveled. Further, much that was dark to them in prophecy has become clear to their successors in the light of its accomplishment. Divine providence has thrown light, as it could not fail to do, on Divine prediction. (Romanism and the Reformation; pg.190-200)


On Futurism:

To resist the use to which Scripture prophecy was put by the reformers (Protestant Historicism) is no light or unimportant matter. The system of prophetic interpretation known as Futurism does resist this use. It condemns the interpretation of the reformers. It condemns the views of all these men, and of all the martyrs, and of all the confessors and faithful witnesses of Christ for long centuries. It condemns the Albigenses, the Waldenses, the Wicliffites, the Hussites, the Lollards, the Lutherans, the Calvinists ; it condemns them all, and upon a point, upon which they are all agreed, an interpretation of Scripture which they embodied in their solemn confessions and sealed with their blood. It condemns the spring of their action, the foundation of the structure they erected. How daring is this act, and how destitute of justification! What an opposition to the pillars of a work most manifestly Divine! for it is no less than this, for Futurism asserts that Luther and all the reformers were wrong in this fundamental point. And whose interpretation of prophecy does it justify and approve? That of the Romanists. (pg. 251-2)

Society and Culture PIP on the Differing Effects Secularism has on Denominations

Hello. I am sending out a questionnaire for my Society and Culture Personal Interest Project to investigate how modern secular society may affect Christian denominations differently. If you are interested, your time is much appreciated for filling out this questionnaire.
Participation in this research is voluntary. If you do not wish to take part, you do not have to and you may close this form at any point in time. All information will be de-identified and remain anonymous.

Old Movies (40-50s)

I just watched In The Good Old Summertime, 1949, Musical Comedy (a musical remake of Shop Around the Corner).
The last time I tried to watch it I didn't see the entire movie.
Judy Garland, Van Johnson, S. Z. Sakall("Cuddles"), Spring Byington, and others(even Buster Keaton).

I remember "Cuddles" from Christmas in Connecticut.


In the Good Old Summertime (1949) - IMDb
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I need your prayers

Lord, reveal the work of God the Father to me, my people(Ha-young, Ye-young, Ui-seop, Jung-won, Hye-ok, Yul-bin, Suzy, Eun-tae, In-sook, Im-hak, Dong-seok, Tan-ae), and to all who read it and pray, and let us know that the Father is in the Son Jesus and that Jesus is in the Father. The will of the true God, who knows all our needs, transcends our personal will. And that all of us will clearly see the Glory that God the Father gave to the Son because He loved His Son before the foundation of the world. Let Jesus Christ directly reveal the name of God the Father to us and see His glory. I Pray that all our glory be truly dedicated to your Son, Jesus Christ. And that we all shomer mitzvot regarding his commandments(keep his commandments) without failure. May God make possible what is impossible for man.

Talking to a Robot about Christian Universal Salvation! (AI)

Yep, you read that title right! Artificial Intelligence has gotten so advanced that you can now have conversations with it. Soo... let's talk to it about Universal Salvation of Christ, that everyone will be saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ!






Hi, I just finished opening Christmas gifts with my family. There are some people who celebrate Christmas, some who don’t, but the important thing is being there to support your family, regardless of the season. And if Christmas gives you a reason to be happy with your family, then go for it! That’s my personal thoughts.



So, I’ve used Novel AI before, but let’s see if we can artificially generate evangelism / soulwinning / gospel messages spreading the truth that Christ Jesus will save everyone by faith alone!

Prompt: “Everyone will go to Heaven by faith alone in Jesus”

To which it adds

Everyone will go to Heaven by faith alone in Jesus Christ [And then the AI adds a lie by falsely saying good works save when the truth is that it’s only faith alone]

Then the Artificial Intelligence says “However, there are many questions about the nature of salvation. For example:

How can we believe that God is perfect love and yet send people to hell?”

Luke 2:10 [The Gospel is] "good tidings of great joy will be to ALL people."



Let me answer the machines question, God is perfect love because Hell is temporary. Hell is Sheol which is temporary mental suffering.



The robot replies “God gives us free will;”

I say “We have the free will to choose when to be saved, but God’s predestination (His Plan) is to save everyone. God’s will is stronger than our free will. So, everyone will eventually be saved. Everyone eventually will become believers in Jesus Christ through faith alone of their own free will.”



Let’s start another prompt “Jesus Christ, savior of the whole world.”

While the last one was a first prompt, when I generated this next one I had to click the retry button many times before getting a good prompt that made sense.

The machine says this: “Jesus Christ, savior of the whole world. Father, Son and Holy Ghost—who is the Spirit?”

The Holy Spirit is what goes into every believer when they are saved.

Acts 3:21 In Jesus Christ is "the restoration of ALL THINGS, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."

John 1:13 Believers in Christ are "born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."



Another prompt I put in is “Christ Jesus will save the whole world”

The website puts out this response “Christ Jesus will save the whole world. He is the Savior of all mankind. The Son of God is more powerful than any demon or evil spirit, and he has power over death itself. But these are not the only signs that Christ is coming to earth in order to take away sin and suffering.”



Brilliant! Sounds like something I would say. Maybe this machine could give me a run of my money lol.

John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."



Now, if I click the send prompt again I will be able to continue this dialogue. Usually, I have to correct the machine’s answers, but let’s see where this goes, I’m curious…



“There are many other proofs. For example, Christ will come to set up a kingdom on earth where there will be no need for people to work hard or do anything else because food and clothing will always be provided.”



I agree. Christ will create a New Heaven and a New Earth

Isaiah 65:17 “See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.”

As a New Earth and New Heavens are created, this shows that everyone will be saved, since Christ is making everyone new!



The online site says this “Even though Satan tries everything that can possibly go wrong with this plan, it cannot be stopped – because Christ has already been raised from the dead by his Father, and so he knows what happens next. He will not fail in what he plans to do!”

Exactly true. That’s why Christian Universalism is the Victorious Gospel of Christ! The Lord will achieve absolute victory over the world and save everyone!

1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails!



He will not fail in what he plans to do! And when he comes again as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, then every person who has ever lived will bow down and worship him (see 1 Corinthians 15:23–26). All people have sinned against God, and they deserve punishment.

1 Corinthians 15:23-26

But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.



Yes, but each in turn! That’s true. Christ shall be ALL IN ALL. All = All. I find it very interesting how this website is able to cite Bible verses too!



Then everyone will see how wonderful and glorious God's kingdom truly is.

The Lord Jesus said: 'I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'



Wow!~ Ok, that’s really cool. It got the quote from Lord Jesus correct!

John 14:6 “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Christ Jesus provides life to all people, everyone! Faith alone in Christ saves and all will have faith alone in Jesus :D

The machine then replies “ (John 14:6) “

Very interesting that the robot was able to identify the correct verse citation.

“No one knows when Christ will return. But it could happen at any time. If you are ready to welcome him into your heart as your Lord and Saviour then tell someone about it today.”



A good message to end off with!



I reply to this and the machine says you must falsely turn away from sins, however, that’s a good work, and good works do not save you, only faith alone! Only once we are already saved can we, through the power of the Holy Spirit, stop ourselves from sinning. But that’s after we’re saved. To be saved, we only need to have faith alone in Jesus Christ, no good works at all, only believing, simply, like a child.



Then the machine falsely said that hell is forever, but the truth is that Hell is temporary, Sheol, temporary mental anguish. Jesus has the keys to Sheol.

1 Samuel 2:6 The Lord kills and he gives life, he sends down to Sheol, he can bring the dead up again.

Psalm NKJV 16:10 You will not leave my soul in Sheol.

Psalm NEB 86:13 For thy true love stands high above me; thou hast rescued my soul from the depths of Sheol.

PSALM 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, you are there. (NIV)



The machine says “If you have already done this then thank God for his mercy to you today. And pray that he may prepare your heart for the day when he comes again. Amen.

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Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.”

Amen as well my mechanical friend. It’s very interesting how advanced technology has gotten, where it can artificially generate conversations about Christian Universalism! It’s so advanced that you never know if the person you’re talking to on the other end of the screen is really a human or a machine. Don’t worry, I can assure you that I am indeed a human and not an artificial intelligence, even if you may think that some of my responses sound robotic lol
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Three Seattle-area power stations attacked on Christmas morning, thousands were without power

Over 7,000 left without power after three Pierce County substation facilities attacked

Pierce County Sheriff's deputies responded to a burglary call at the Tacoma Public Utilities substation at 22312 46th Avenue E just before 5:30 a.m. Sunday morning. Although nothing was stolen, someone vandalized and damaged equipment inside, which caused a power outage in the area.

Deputies were then notified of a second burglary call at a substation at 8820 224th Street E, also with nothing stolen and damage to equipment.

A third incident was reported later in the morning by Puget Sound Energy.

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Romans 1:20 - evidence for God

I'm putting this in the controversial theology forum, only because the source is unorthodox. But I found it a compelling read. For whoever has eyes to see....

Romans 1:20

20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

Evidence of an intelligent Creator: The Golden Ratio

Shark has 'virgin birth' in chicago aquarium

'Virgin birth': Shark at Chicago aquarium had pups without mating

Just in time for Christmas, an aquarium in Chicago heralded a virgin birth. Instead of mating, a zebra shark used her own genetic material to fertilize two eggs, Shedd Aquarium officials announced this week in a release. According to a study published in the Journal of Fish Biology, the shark, named Bubbles, reproduced some of her young through "virgin births."

Bubbles gave birth to the pups in 2008 and through years of genetic testing, authorities were able to confirm she did it without a male shark. Aquarium officials released the details this week, in time for the holidays.


One hesitates to speculate on the theological implications.

Does God Make Someone Love You?

Can God make someone love you? Yes. That is a given.
The real question is, does he?

Obviously God is Almighty. He can give or put a desire in someone's heart to make them love you (romantically, for marriage)
or put the desire in your heart to love someone you thought you couldn't or didn't love before.

The question is really, does he do this? If so, how would we know? Is there anyway to prove this or do we just believe it by
anecdotal faith?

So in my case, I'm a single guy looking for a life partner. I'm at the age where I should be settling down and am already late at the game.
There is someone I am interested in at my church. In fact, I wasn't romantically interested or attracted to her for the first few weeks
I attended. I had seen her, met briefly but I was never interested in her in that way.

But oddly and suddenly out of the blue, one day it's like my eyes were opened and my heart was tugged and I found myself suddenly
very attracted to her and desiring her (to the point where I already started believe I'll marry her).

But she hasn't been that open to me yet. Maybe she's a little shy, or because I'm new, she doesn't trust people she doesn't know well.
So I've been praying because I felt like God really opened my eyes to her but why her eyes or heart hasn't opened to me yet? And when
will the LORD put that desire in her to see me the way I see her?

Then it got me thinking, does God really do this? Does he really play matchmaker? Obviously he would be the world's greatest
matchmaker if he did since he knows everything about everything and who would be best coupled together etc.

But the last couple meets, I feel she is starting to open up to me. She's looking at me more and reciprocating whereas a few weeks
ago she was cold. Could God possibly be putting the desire in her heart just as he put it in mine or does God not do this and let
us FREELY CHOOSE out of our own free will?

Faith Comes By Hearing, But Obedience By Fear!

Many of us hear the word of God but we will see in the scriptures that Fear bring forth Obedience. Once you really sit down and study the Bible from Genesis to Revelation you will see that God means what he says and can't lie. We in the last days where the great punishment comes at the end (Lake of Fire). But those of us who walk in the word of God knows that sometime we have to be chastening by God for correction. Paul says in Hebrew 12: My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, Nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, And scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?


But theres an everlasting punishment for those who refuse to be corrected. Jesus says in Luke 12: 4, 5 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.


But Let's go back to the beginning and see how the Lord dealt with his people and get some understanding on how we should we wise and be obedient.

Let’s go into Joshua 3: 1 And Joshua rose early in the morning; and they removed from [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim, and came to Jordan, he and all the children of Israel, and lodged there before they passed over. 7 And the LORD said unto Joshua, This day will I begin to magnify thee in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee.


8 And thou shalt command the priests that bear the ark of the covenant, saying, When ye are come to the brink of the water of Jordan, ye shall stand still in Jordan. 13 And it shall come to pass, as soon as the soles of the feet of the priests that bear the ark of the LORD, the Lord of all the earth, shall rest in the waters of Jordan, that the waters of Jordan shall be cut off from the waters that come down from above; and they shall stand upon an heap. 15 and as they that bare the ark were come unto Jordan, and the feet of the priests that bare the ark were dipped in the brim of the water, (for Jordan overfloweth all his banks all the time of harvest,) 16that the waters which came down from above stood and rose up upon an heap very far from the city Adam, that is beside Zaretan: and those that came down toward the sea of the plain, even the salt sea, failed, and were cut off: and the people passed over right against Jericho. 17 And the priests that bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the midst of Jordan, and all the Israelites passed over on dry ground, until all the people were passed clean over Jordan.


We see that God magnified Joshua so the people would have the same fear they had towards Moses. Let’s continue in Joshua 4:1 And it came to pass, when all the people were clean passed over, that the ark of the LORD passed over, and the priests, in the presence of the people. 14 On that day the LORD magnified Joshua in the sight of all Israel; and they feared him, as they feared Moses, all the days of his life.15 And the LORD spake unto Joshua, saying, 16 Command the priests that bear the ark of the testimony, that they come up out of Jordan. 17 Joshua therefore commanded the priests, saying, Come ye up out of Jordan. 18 And it came to pass, when the priests that bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD were come up out of the midst of Jordan, and the soles of the priests' feet were lifted up unto the dry land, that the waters of Jordan returned unto their place, and flowed over all his banks, as they did before. 23 For the LORD your God dried up the waters of Jordan from before you, until ye were passed over, as the LORD your God did to the Red sea, which he dried up from before us, until we were gone over: 24 that all the people of the earth might know the hand of the LORD, that it is mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever.

God knows with out fear, people will not obey him.

Let’s go to 1 Samuel 16: 1 And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to Jesse the Beth-lehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons. 4 And Samuel did that which the LORD spake, and came to Beth-lehem. And the elders of the town trembled at his coming, and said, Comest thou peaceably? 5 And he said, Peaceably: I am come to sacrifice unto the LORD: sanctify yourselves, and come with me to the sacrifice. And he sanctified Jesse and his sons, and called them to the sacrifice.

See how the people trembled because Samuel wielded the power of God as his priest. Let’s go into Proverbs 1: 5A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; And a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: 6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; The words of the wise, and their dark sayings. 7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: But fools despise wisdom and instruction. 22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? And the scorners delight in their scorning, And fools hate knowledge? 23 Turn you at my reproof: Behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you. 24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; 25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, And would none of my reproof:

31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, And be filled with their own devices. 32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, And the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

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