"Your quarrel sir, is with my creator."

[FreeinChrist]

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[FireDragon76]

Only for Protestants.

The Bible is not a "path to God" in the sense of self-help or "how-to" manual, not for Lutherans anyways. It tells us about salvation, but it is not an exhaustive guide to living in the world, nor does it answer every possible religious question we might have.

 

[Speedwell]

The Bible is not a "path to God" in the sense of self-help or "how-to" manual, not for Lutherans anyways. It tells us about salvation, but it is not an exhaustive guide to living in the world, nor does it answer every possible religious question we might have.

True, but fundamentalist Evangelicals have taken Sola Scriptura to a degree never envisaged by Luther and the other Reformers.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

1. I don't have any clue about his political views and platforms.

Then you haven't been looking very hard. He's done a town hall as well as several interviews where he goes much more in-depth on his views and platform and what sets him apart from all the other candidates.

2. He seems to be pushing his "identity" as the reason to vote for him. It shouldn't be...as nothing about his identity makes him any better or worse than any other candidate.

Hardly.

He seems to be pushing more the experience he already has ahead of both the president and vice president, including military combat experience and executive governmental experience, as well as making the point that the decisions made today will have a far greater impact further down the line on people his age than they would people in their 70s, like the current president.

 

[FireDragon76]

Then you haven't been looking very hard. He's done a town hall as well as several interviews where he goes much more in-depth on his views as platform and what sets him apart from all the other candidates.


Hardly.

He seems to be pushing more the experience he already has ahead of both the president and vice president, including military combat experience and executive governmental experience, as well as making the point that the decisions made today will have a far greater impact further down the line on people his age than they would people in their 70s, like the current president.

I just watched an interview he gave on CNN. He didn't talk about his sexuality at all. That's obviously not what he's running on.

Considering Bernie Sanders is so old, I think I will be supporting Buttigieg just because he seems to be the most competent and I like his approach. I especially liked the fact he refused to talk about the president too much, he doesn't want to run on a negative campaign. He also seems like someone that could draw in a diverse set of people, and I think that's important.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I just watched an interview he gave on CNN. He didn't talk about his sexuality at all. That's obviously not what he's running on.

Considering Bernie Sanders is so old, I think I will be supporting Buttigieg just because he seems to be the most competent and I like his approach. I especially liked the fact he refused to talk about the president too much, he doesn't want to run on a negative campaign.

That's what I like most about him. He's a true moderate and doesn't come across detached like just about everyone else on the Democratic side.

He's clearly not a Trump supporter but he also doesn't have to rail on and on about every stupid thing this president does. He's the mayor of a city in Indiana and so naturally he really can't be an extreme partisan like you get from the really big Democratic strongholds. He's young and relatively unknown so he doesn't carry a ton of political baggage with him either.

Really the only blemish is that he's gay and to well over half the country, that's not even an issue anymore.

I'm not sure Republicans are going to want to make sexual immorality the hill to die on this election cycle as their candidate is no better and I would argue, much worse than Buttigieg in that regard.

 

[FireDragon76]

I also do appreciate the fact that he's willing to talk about the place of religious faith in his life, and how a moral vision shapes what he does. For a long time, Democrats have simply been uncomfortable with that subject, even though it's obviously part of the moral and political grammar of this country, historically. Even if I, as a Lutheran, see that as "a thing indifferent" (adiaphoron) for the executive of a state, many other Americans don't.

 

[Ana the Ist]

...is he, or is that the story line that is getting the media's attention? On your first point, I would agree...but then I have not done my homework on his positions....yet.

Lol well, let's say that is what's getting the media's attention....

What does that say about the media's audience? That they no longer care about issues as much as they care about whether someone is gay/straight, young/old, black/white/etc, and so on?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Really the only blemish is that he's gay and to well over half the country, that's not even an issue anymore.

Is America ready for a gay president? (Openly gay, I say as I look in James Buchanan's direction) I'd think "no," but I wondered the same thing about a black president, and I'm happy I was more than half wrong on that one...

I'm not sure Republicans are going to want to make sexual immorality the hill to die on this election cycle as their candidate is no better and I would argue, much worse than Buttigieg in that regard.

That won't stop the evangelical vote... they don't care about their champion's sexual shenanigans, as long as they were straight... the rumors of some of them not even being consensual didn't even faze them.

 

[FireDragon76]

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That won't stop the evangelical vote... they don't care about their champion's sexual shenanigans, as long as they were straight... the rumors of some of them not even being consensual didn't even faze them.

Meh... let them have their swansong. The people that actually have anything against gays are literally dropping like flies every day.

I go to a church that has some people you'ld think of as very Republican leaning types of people, the stereotypical white male of Michael Moore. People that are cops and ex-GI's and into traditional male kinds of stuff like hunting, fishing, and NASCAR, but they go to church all the time with gay people. And I think more and more, that's how most people are. They aren't as inflexible as you think and that's not why they voted for Trump anyways.

 

[wing2000]

Lol well, let's say that is what's getting the media's attention....

What does that say about the media's audience? That they no longer care about issues as much as they care about whether someone is gay/straight, young/old, black/white/etc, and so on?

Media consumers make those choices by the stories they watch and click....certain "news" organizations make their $$ off such coverage. It's a profit driven media market.....

 

[Ana the Ist]

Then you haven't been looking very hard. He's done a town hall as well as several interviews where he goes much more in-depth on his views and platform and what sets him apart from all the other candidates.

How hard do I need to look lol? I just looked through 2 pages of articles about him and none seemed to be about his positions. I literally saw one position (also based on identity politics) and only because it was a quote from his appearance on Ellen.

Hardly.

The NYT ran an article basically titled Life Story First-Policy Details Later. It was just 2 days ago.

It's odd to see a party so excited about an unknown....that I can only assume very few know the positions of.

 

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Is the Bible our only path to God?

Jesus is the only path to God.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Anyone who states "Your quarrel sir, is with my creator" clearly doesn't understand Christianity. It is not how he was created that Pence is objecting to, but how he reacts to his own creation.

 

[FireDragon76]

Anyone who states "Your quarrel sir, is with my creator" clearly doesn't understand Christianity. It is not how he was created that Pence is objecting to, but how he reacts to his own creation.

You mean without self-loathing? That's a problem now?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The NYT ran an article basically titled Life Story First-Policy Details Later. It was just 2 days ago.

If you actually read that article, it does give several policy positions he's taken. He hasn't presented any campaign-defining policies yet, and he hasn't provided details on how he plans to enact the policies he does support, but he has talked about policy. At this stage in the campaign, I think that's a good place to be. If he continues to stay light on the details over the coming months, then I'll be more concerned.

 

[Jon Osterman]

You mean without self-loathing? That's a problem now?

He wasn't created in a gay relationship.

 

[wing2000]

How hard do I need to look lol? I just looked through 2 pages of articles about him and none seemed to be about his positions. I literally saw one position (also based on identity politics) and only because it was a quote from his appearance on Ellen.



The NYT ran an article basically titled Life Story First-Policy Details Later. It was just 2 days ago.

It's odd to see a party so excited about an unknown....that I can only assume very few know the positions of.

I agree, the lack of attention on candidate's positions across the board is a huge problem. The distraction ridden 2016 Presidential campaign was certainly a low mark in modern political history.....

 

[FireDragon76]

He wasn't created in a gay relationship.

Increasingly, for many people, that distinction simply has no meaning.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If you actually read that article, it does give several policy positions he's taken. He hasn't presented any campaign-defining policies yet, and he hasn't provided details on how he plans to enact the policies he does support, but he has talked about policy. At this stage in the campaign, I think that's a good place to be. If he continues to stay light on the details over the coming months, then I'll be more concerned.

I didn't read the article...I only get so many NYT articles a month.