You'll have to pry the gun (and Bible) out of my cold, dead hands

[HisdaughterJen]

{In reference to Obama's put-down of middle-Americans where he said they are bitter and they cling to their guns and their religion.}

With a national, military-style police force being formed, the Fairness doctrine, a Marxist-socialist agenda, and anti-Americanism coming from our government and newly elected leaders, is anybody else feeling like the dawn of police-state USA is just around the corner?

Obama’s civilian security force: Billy club-wielding security guards at Philly polls

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/04/billy-club-wielding-security-guards-at-philly-polls/


http://www.heritage.org/research/regulation/em368.cfm


Do you think that Americans are going to stand for this? Maybe that's why they've set up prisons all over the country:

http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us_concentration_camps.htm

"KBR has been awarded a contract announced by the Department of Homeland Security’s United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component. The Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity contingency contract is to support ICE facilities and has a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term. The contract provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the United States, or to support the rapid development of new programs. "​

I think the system of the beast is forming all around us.

 

[pgp_protector]

{In reference to Obama's put-down of middle-Americans where he said they are bitter and they cling to their guns and their religion.}

With a national, military-style police force being formed, the Fairness doctrine, a Marxist-socialist agenda, and anti-Americanism coming from our government and newly elected leaders, is anybody else feeling like the dawn of police-state USA is just around the corner?

Obama’s civilian security force: Billy club-wielding security guards at Philly polls

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/04/billy-club-wielding-security-guards-at-philly-polls/


http://www.heritage.org/research/regulation/em368.cfm


Do you think that Americans are going to stand for this?

Some will support it.
Some will fight it.
Most will ignore it while they can.

 

[wayseer]

With a national, military-style police force being formed, the Fairness doctrine, a Marxist-socialist agenda, and anti-Americanism coming from our government and newly elected leaders, is anybody else feeling like the dawn of police-state USA is just around the corner?

I see you are still peddling your own brand of fear? Is that a Bible I see in your hands locked on automatic with a spare clip over your shoulder?

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I see you are still peddling your own brand of fear? Is that a Bible I see in your hands locked on automatic with a spare clip over your shoulder?

If you'll read your Bible, you'll find that a world leader will emerge who will, with the help of 10 others, form a very large army who will imprison and kill people who do not follow him. He will control everything (Marxist- socialist/communist) and distribute goods and services to those who will take a mark on their hand or forehead signifying their allegiance to him. He will not honor any gods but declare himself above all gods. He will be very proud and he will be in the lineage of the people who sacked Jerusalem in 70AD. Many people in the world will follow him...blindly.

Is this a fairy tale, Wayseer? Am I really "peddling my own brand of fear"? We are exactly one strategically-placed catastrophe away from the collapse of the global financial system. That collapse would bring in a global socialistic/communistic system.

There is ONE event/move of God that will set this whole thing rolling and the whole system is being set up right now.

And yes, I own weapons and I'm not afraid to use them against those who would harm me or my family - it's my right as an American.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Holding a bible won't save people, it's a book. It's the Words that are in it that come alive through the Spirit of God to our Spirits. Some people may react differently holding a gun if they have a gun pointed at their head also People may end up with cold dead hands afterall.

 

[bliz]

If you'll read your Bible, you'll find that a world leader will emerge who will, with the help of 10 others, form a very large army who will imprison and kill people who do not follow him. He will control everything (Marxist- socialist/communist) and distribute goods and services to those who will take a mark on their hand or forehead signifying their allegiance to him. He will not honor any gods but declare himself above all gods. He will be very proud and he will be in the lineage of the people who sacked Jerusalem in 70AD. Many people in the world will follow him...blindly.

So, is there anything we can do to stop this from happening? Have we been commanded to stop it?

And yes, I own weapons and I'm not afraid to use them against those who would harm me or my family - it's my right as an American.

So, you trust in your weapons... as opposed to your God?

 

[visionary]

Prophets were not appreciated for their doom and gloom scenerio unless the nation repented.. so don't be surprised that you get some nay sayers here too.

 

[&Abel]

If you'll read your Bible, you'll find that a world leader will emerge who will, with the help of 10 others, form a very large army who will imprison and kill people who do not follow him. He will control everything (Marxist- socialist/communist) and distribute goods and services to those who will take a mark on their hand or forehead signifying their allegiance to him. He will not honor any gods but declare himself above all gods. He will be very proud and he will be in the lineage of the people who sacked Jerusalem in 70AD. Many people in the world will follow him...blindly.

Is this a fairy tale, Wayseer? Am I really "peddling my own brand of fear"? We are exactly one strategically-placed catastrophe away from the collapse of the global financial system. That collapse would bring in a global socialistic/communistic system.

There is ONE event/move of God that will set this whole thing rolling and the whole system is being set up right now.

And yes, I own weapons and I'm not afraid to use them against those who would harm me or my family - it's my right as an American.

39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but (BB)whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your [g]shirt, let him have your [h]coat also.
41"Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.
42"(BC)Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
43"(BD)You have heard that it was said, '(BE)YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR (BF)and hate your enemy.'
44"But I say to you, (BG)love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45so that you may be (BH)sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46"For (BI)if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47"If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
48"Therefore (BJ)you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.



10Then He continued by saying to them, "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, 11and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great signs from heaven.
12"But before all these things, (H)they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for My name's sake.
13"(I)It will lead to an opportunity for your testimony.
14"(J)So make up your minds not to prepare beforehand to defend yourselves;
15for (K)I will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute.



1Every (A)person is to be in (B)subjection to the governing authorities For (C)there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
3For (D)rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
4for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an (E)avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
5Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also (F)for conscience' sake.
6For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.
7(G)Render to all what is due them: (H)tax to whom tax is due; (I)custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
8Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for (J)he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
9For this, "(K)YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "(L)YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
10Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore (M)love is the fulfillment of the law.
11Do this, knowing the time, that it is (N)already the hour for you to (O)awaken from sleep; for now [a]salvation is nearer to us than when we believed.
12(P)The night is almost gone, and (Q)the day is near Therefore let us lay aside (R)the deeds of darkness and put on (S)the armor of light.
13Let us (T)behave properly as in the day, (U)not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy.
14But (V)put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh (W)in regard to its lusts.



10Finally, (S)be strong in the Lord and in (T)the strength of His might. 11(U)Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the (V)schemes of the devil.
12For our (W)struggle is not against (X)flesh and blood, but (Y)against the rulers, against the powers, against the (Z)world forces of this (AA)darkness, against the (AB)spiritual forces of wickedness in (AC)the heavenly places.
13Therefore, take up (AD)the full armor of God, so that you will be able to (AE)resist in (AF)the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
14Stand firm therefore, (AG)HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING (AH)PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,
15and having (AI)shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE;
16in addition to all, taking up the (AJ)shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the (AK)flaming arrows of (AL)the evil one.
17And take (AM)THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the (AN)sword of the Spirit, which is (AO)the word of God.
18With all (AP)prayer and petition (AQ)pray at all times (AR)in the Spirit, and with this in view, (AS)be on the alert with all (AT)perseverance and (AU)petition for all the saints,

 

[HisdaughterJen]

So, is there anything we can do to stop this from happening? Have we been commanded to stop it?

I don't know that there is anything that can be done to stop it...it may be the final stages of the beginning of the end. If it's not, it needs to be stopped. We cannot allow evil to win. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Do you want to live in a socialistic-communistic society?

So, you trust in your weapons... as opposed to your God?

Well, that's a leap and there's no contest. Weapons are tools. God is...well, GOD.

When the world has beaten their swords into plowshares, we will no longer need tools of war. There is a time for everything under the sun. There is such a thing as justice and punishment for the wrongdoer.


Rom 13:4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Prophets were not appreciated for their doom and gloom scenerio unless the nation repented.. so don't be surprised that you get some nay sayers here too.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

OOOOHHHH, I get it...PROP 8!... you guys are some of the people that are upset that homosexuality failed to get a marriage law and are on a campaign to hurt Christians! I heard about you on the news!


http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/08/same.sex.protests/index.html


"LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Protests continued Friday in several California cities, including San Francisco, Palm Springs and Long Beach, over the passage of Proposition 8, which outlaws same-sex marriage."
...
"Later, demonstrators congregated for about 20 minutes at the intersection of Broadway and Alameda Street, blocking traffic in all directions. The demonstrators then moved on before stopping at the intersection of Long Beach Boulevard and First Street, where many of them sat down in the street.
After a few minutes, the demonstrators were on the move again. Police kept a watchful eye on the protesters but did not intervene.
In Palm Springs, a crowd of several hundred gathered in front of the city hall, chanting "Civil rights" and "Tax the Church." One sign read: "We will not give up."
Several protesters surrounded an elderly looking woman, an apparent Proposition 8 supporter, and shouted at her. No arrests were reported at any of the demonstrations.
In Salt Lake City, Utah, about 2,000 demonstrators gathered at Temple Square to protest against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Mormon church strongly supported Proposition 8, which amends California's constitution to define marriage as legal only between one man and one woman."

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Why would you say it hates gays as opposed to it continues to honor the sanctity of marriage?

Gay people appear to define themselves by their sexuality. Sexuality is a very small part of the human existence and fades over time.

Therefore, a "gay" person should find something more valuable about himself/herself that defines them than their sexuality.

 

[Ghost air]

Gay people appear to define themselves by their sexuality. Sexuality is a very small part of the human existence and fades over time.

Therefore, a "gay" person should find something more valuable about himself/herself that defines them than their sexuality.

No kidding... that's about as shallow as humanity can get.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

No, I mean the forum user GodLovesProp8 hates the gays.
l;ol

OOOHHH...I see. (for some reason I thought you two were pals.)

Gay people are loved by God too...they are just confused and need HIM. I think it could be a mental or developmental disorder of some kind. ...I mean, to be so defined by what you find attractive sexually...

I can't imagine introducing myself..."Hi, I'm Jen and I'm attracted to men"....That doesn't define who I am inside.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Holding a bible won't save people, it's a book. It's the Words that are in it that come alive through the Spirit of God to our Spirits. Some people may react differently holding a gun if they have a gun pointed at their head also People may end up with cold dead hands afterall.

Since Obama got elected, I will be carrying both a KJV and a Koran with me just in case........

Matt 24:9 then they shall be delivering ye up into tribulation, and They shall be killing Ye, and ye shall be being hated by all of the nations thru/because-of the Name of Me;

 

[&Abel]

Why would you say it hates gays as opposed to it continues to honor the sanctity of marriage?

Gay people appear to define themselves by their sexuality. Sexuality is a very small part of the human existence and fades over time.

Therefore, a "gay" person should find something more valuable about himself/herself that defines them than their sexuality.

this is what has always bothered me about homosexuality

straight ppl don't go around screaming "we're straight, we're straight...everyone look me I'm straight!"

I've also known some gay guys who actually liked to discuss very personal things in a very public way to make ppl feel uncomfortable(and for attention I'm sure)

 

[GQ Chris]

looks like the camps are ready... where are the RFID implanted chips?

 

[HisdaughterJen]

this is what has always bothered me about homosexuality

straight ppl don't go around screaming "we're straight, we're straight...everyone look me I'm straight!"

Yeah, wouldn't that be weird? A "straight"-pride parade.

I've also known some gay guys who actually liked to discuss very personal things in a very public way to make ppl feel uncomfortable(and for attention I'm sure)

oh, yeah...that'd definitely be uncomfortable...

 

[HisdaughterJen]

looks like the camps are ready... where are the RFID implanted chips?

Yeah, the camps, the plan and money for a civilian military security force, mandatory service for 18-25 year olds, the Fairness doctrine and "hate speech laws" to silence critics, ....you're right, roll out the chips! Just wait...give it a little time and it'll be next best thing and all over the news.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

looks like the camps are ready... where are the RFID implanted chips?

Don't know, but I sure hope they don't hurt much when I get mine implanted......