you'll hate this thread, I guarantee it.

[Asinner]

Only if we need to prove the Bible to the atheists, Jews and Muslims. As far as I can see, only Josephus provides us with the history of the Last Days of the OC Jewish Nation.

Luke 21:22 "That days of vengeance these are, of the to be filled all-things, the having been written.
23 "Woe yet to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress upon the land and wrath on the people, these

John 11:48 "If ever we may be letting Him thus, all shall be believing into Him, and shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away of us and the Place and the Nation.

http://www.davieapostolicchurch.com/studies/destuct/

................The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover. At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival and the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers,...........

.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins

It is impossible to prove Christianity to an atheist. Only the Holy Spirit can convict someone. That is why most of these discussions are fruitless.

Love,
Christina

 

[Albion]

Legalism = work of the flesh. Whoever the writer(s) was(were) they wanted to impose their law as to how one should be baptized etc.. You really think the jailor of Philippi had fasted the day prior to the night in which he was converted and baptized???

The Didache is just a bunch of baloney of an imposter.

You don't know that to be so.

More likely, it is a record of how some churches operated a century after Christ. That doesn't make it legalism unless someone turns it into that (which some have); it doesn't make everything in the document be in accord with Scripture; and it doesn't make it the work of an imposter.

 

[holdon]

Fasting prior to baptism is the ideal, just as the Didache gives the ideal for water baptism, yet gives other praxis if this ideal is not possible . . .

Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism. And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.

Love,
Christina

You see it for yourself then. So, these legalist would declare the baptism of Philippi's jailor null and void because it was not per their "you shall order the baptized to fast"???

And this is not the only thing of course: there are plenty more examples where this piece is wrong. If it were really what it claims to be: why did the Church never include it with the canon???

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It is impossible to prove Christianity to an atheist. Only the Holy Spirit can convict someone. That is why most of these discussions are fruitless.

Love,
Christina

That is True. Can it also help us interpret the Scriptures? Do I go by the Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants view of them?

[NKJV] Zeph 1:15 That day [is] a day of wrath, A day of trouble and distress, A day of devastation and desolation, A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, 16 A day of trumpet and alarm Against the fortified cities And against the high towers.
17 "I will bring distress upon men, And they shall walk like blind men, Because they have sinned against the LORD;

http://www.davieapostolicchurch.com/studies/destuct/

.................Before their final demolition, however, Titus took a survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"

 

[Asinner]

You see it for yourself then. So, these legalist would declare the baptism of Philippi's jailor null and void because it was not per their "you shall order the baptized to fast"???

What part of my post did you not understand? Fasting is the ideal. Where is the legalism in this?

And this is not the only thing of course: there are plenty more examples where this piece is wrong. If it were really what it claims to be: why did the Church never include it with the canon???

So, in order for anything to be True, it has to be in the Scriptures? Talk about being legalistic.

Love,
Christina

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So, in order for anything to be True, it has to be in the Scriptures? Talk about being legalistic.

Love,
Christina

That is my view.

John 11:48 "If ever we may be letting Him thus, all shall be believing into Him, and shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away of us and the Place and the Nation.

Reve 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A quart of wheat for a denari/dhnariou <1220>, and three quarts of barley for a denari; and do not harm the oil and the wine."

 

[Asinner]

That is True. Can it also help us interpret the Scriptures? Do I go by the Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants view of them?

The Scriptures have already been interpreted, LLoJ.

Love,
Christina

 

[holdon]

You don't know that to be so.

More likely, it is a record of how some churches operated a century after Christ. That doesn't make it legalism unless someone turns it into that (which some have); it doesn't make everything in the document be in accord with Scripture; and it doesn't make it the work of an imposter.

It is an imposter. Because the title claim is this: "The teachings of the Lord" and they're clearly not.

It is legalism because of the content: the "thou shalt"'s are abundant!

It might very well be a document that attests to how the church operated then. That doesn't mean their operations correct.....

 

[holdon]

What part of my post did you not understand? Fasting is the ideal. Where is the legalism in this? Calling people hypocrites if they don't fast on the right days!!! My goodness how much worse can it get really?

So, in order for anything to be True, it has to be in the Scriptures? Talk about being legalistic.

No, it's the other way around twister. If it were true and the teachings of Christ, they should be in the Scriptures. Even the early Christians never considered it that way....

 

[Asinner]

Truth transcends what is written. The Holy Scriptures are a record of Truth, not the fullness thereof. They are at the very heart of Tradition.

Love,
Christina

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Scriptures have already been interpreted, LLoJ.

Love,
Christina

Malachi 3:2 and who enduring the Day of coming of Him, and who the one Standing in the to appear Him. That He as fire of refiner and as soap of launderers.

Revelation 16:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: Be ye falling upon us! and hide Ye us! from face of the One-sitting upon the throne, and from the Wrath/orghV <3709> of the Lamb-kin
17 that came the Day, the great, of the wrath of Him and who is able to Stand.

 

[holdon]

Truth transcends what is written. The Holy Scriptures are a record of Truth, not the fullness thereof. They are at the very heart of Tradition.

And let me guess: that makes Tradition the "fulness of truth"???

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

And let me guess: that makes Tradition the "fulness of truth"???

Ya ever notice the Orthodox and Catholics do not post much Scripture? How come?

 

[Asinner]

Calling people hypocrites if they don't fast on the right days!!! My goodness how much worse can it get really? No, it's the other way around twister. If it were true and the teachings of Christ, they should be in the Scriptures. Even the early Christians never considered it that way....

Limiting where the Holy Trinity is expressed is a form of legalism. You are containing the Great "I AM" in the testimony of Scripture.

 

[Asinner]

Ya ever notice the Orthodox and Catholics do not post much Scripture? How come?

That is untrue.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Limiting where the Holy Trinity is expressed is a form of legalism. You are containing the Great "I AM" in the testimony of Scripture.

Exodus 3:12 And He is saying: "That I Shall Be/01961 hayah with thee, and this for thee the-Sign that I sent thee in to bring forth you the people out of Egypt. Ye shall serve The-'Elohiym on the Mountain, the-this.'
13 And- Mosheh -is-saying to The-'Elohiym, "Lo, I coming to sons of Yisra'el, and I say to them, 'Elohiym of your fathers He sends me to you'. And they have said to me, 'What Name of Him'? What shall I say to them"?
14 And 'Elohiym is saying to Mosheh, "I-shall-be/01961 hayah who I-shall-be/01961 hayah". And-He saying "Thus you shall say to sons of Yisra'el, 'I-shall-be/01961 hayah, He-sent-me unto-you'".

Reve 22:6 And he said to me: "These, the Words faithful and true, and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets apostles, commissions the messenger of him to show to the bondservents of him which things is binding to be becoming/genesqai <1096> (5635) in swiftness.

1096. ginomai a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):--

 

[Asinner]

And let me guess: that makes Tradition the "fulness of truth"???

The Holy Trinity is the fullness of Truth.

 

[holdon]

Limiting where the Holy Trinity is expressed is a form of legalism. You are containing the Great "I AM" in the testimony of Scripture.

??? this post in unintelligible to me.

 

[Asinner]

??? this post in unintelligible to me.

The Scriptures are a part of an expressed/revealed Truth (the very heart of it). They are not the fullness of Truth.

Love,
Christina

 

[holdon]

The Scriptures are a part of an expressed/revealed Truth (the very heart of it). They are not the fullness of Truth.

Love,
Christina

Where is this supposed "fulness of Truth"?