Correct, we are Christians
Yet, is Christianity not the fulfillment of Judaism?
yup.
Is Christ not the Paschal Lamb and thus the center of all that is Christian?
yup.
Were the Apostles not from Jewish backgrounds; in an era when what is now called Orthodox Judaism was just Judaism? Thus, were they not from a liturgical background?
yup.
Did St. James the Apostle not write the first Divine Liturgy?
duuno. Some claim so.
When someone starts something, do they not take all their prior knowledge and use it in the new "project" so to say?
sure. What people do with it after the fact is another matter.
Come on, now that I've put the dots on the wall, connect them.
I fail to see what bearing this has on the necessity of repetitive liturgical worship.
I stand by my statement.
see below.
Let's add bleating goat to your derogatory comments and personal attacks. But we should excuse them because:
You know sour grapes even before they appear.
Experience has taught you, not actual statements in the thread.
It's a figure of speech to describe your correct world view.
It was because of a PM, that you allowed to influence a public statement.
You have a powerful ability to predict people against you.
You assume that people will curse you for a position.
You are merely editorializing.
It is just an expression.
I would not have much to do with a bigoted, bleating goat either.
I'm still trying to figure out the bigot, or was it bigots, part, though.
last word is yours, pal, I distinctly remember saying I was done.
Paul tells the Corinthians that the Eucharist is not just a 'communal meal'
1 Corinthians 11:34
If anyone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment. And when I come I will give further directions.
It's more than that.
I know it is. I never suggested otherwise.
The Bible tells one how to be a Christian...it is not a definitive tome regarding proper worship anymore than it is an instruction manual on how to tie your shoes.
I snipped the quote, but don't worry, I did read the whole thing. Just wanted to comment on this. I agree with you on this point. How someone can then look at someone not using their liturgy and tell them they are doing it wrong, is anyones guess.
Christ wouldn't recongize most of the empty, error filled, happy clappy "worship" that exists today. As a matter of fact he'd probably turn and flee as it is not of Him even if it sounds like it talks about him.
case in point. You say that there is no manual, but then tell us "happy clappers" that we're doing something Jesus wouldn't even recognize.
Okay UpHIll- that darn Jesus.... he just contradicts Himself all over the place, huh?
never suggested as such.
You can't use scripture to disprove scripture. Use Paul against Jesus. This is something you bible only's do a lot.
not doing so.
You are confusing what is no longer unlawful and what is no longer unclean with the liturgy (the worship and sacrificed God asked for)- Jesus fulfilled it, did not do away with it.
You have a huge problem that you are ignoring. Reconcile what Jesus said with your personal interpretations. With what Paul said.
I did not come to destroy but to fulfil. The Jew's problem UpHill was that Jesus was dividing their ppl, that Jesus was taking away their covenant with God ut he assured them, He said, I have not come to destroy but to fulfill. He is the promised Messiah that Isiah spoke about.
You show me buddy boy, where Isiah ever said Jesus was coming to destroy?
Jesus said out of His own mouth that He was not coming to destroy but to fulfill and you say he came and destroyed...
did I? don't remember saying any such thing.
Of course there is no Jew or Greek, we have all been grafted into one Body.
Dude, I asked you to show me your scripture that says you have been grafted into one vine of fellowship... where is THAT in the bible.
it's that passage itself. If I were being grafted in as a Jew, I'd have to follow Jewish law. Scripture is very clear that I do not.
OrthodoxyUSA is right, this is just another attempt to deny the Eucharist.
that's right... our main goal is to do away with everything Christian.... we're really quite subversive. Flee from us, we're the devil.
OH? This is an opinion.
"The Church" does not share it.
Forgive me...
which "The Church?" yours?
troublemaker indeed.
You're certainly correct about that.
Again, correct. The only real issue is this--how much of the change that occurred is a violation of Biblical principles, adn how much of it is harmless?
vast majority of it is harmless. What the liturgical church supporters on here fail to understand, is I never ONCE stated that it was WRONG to have a liturgical service. I stated that I reject it, and why. Of course, when you say something that is close to someones sore spot, they lash out without actually thinking about what is being said. It's "you can't challange what we hold true!" and nothing more.
Having a somewhat relativist nature as you appear to UB, I would not recommend putting much weight into emergent type writings such as Millers stuff.
Just my opinion take it for what it's worth.
relativist? how so? And seriously, I'm not deriving doctrine from this book. All I said was something that was said in the book hit a cord with me. Made me identify something within myself.
It's just a book, everyone, no need to get your holy water and "how to cast out demons" manual.
Point of necessity:
I see the non-traditionists defending their non-tradition tradition with greater fervor than those who defend tradition.
Such is human nature, and NONE are immune from it.
To be free from it is not even a worthy or attainable goal. A worthy goal is to be aware of one's own limitations and prejudices, imo.
indeed. So why is it only non-traditionalists that should do so?
