Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!

[DennisTate]

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[little bubbe]

I don't even know how the 'rapture' and Judaism (even Messianic) can be put in the same sentence in any seriousness. This doctrine began with some very strange people in the 19th century without a hint of it before.

 

[DennisTate]

I don't even know how the 'rapture' and Judaism (even Messianic) can be put in the same sentence in any seriousness. This doctrine began with some very strange people in the 19th century without a hint of it before.

Good point little bubbe. I had heard this also which was one of the reasons why I did not take the doctrine seriously until I read that NDE account!!!!???????

 

[HannibalFlavius]

This is just a theory and I may be wrong but after being highly skeptical of the idea of a rapture for most of my life I am now open to the idea that the Rapture could fit in extremely well with the ultimate fulfillment of the Fast of Yom Kippur.


I could not get my head around this idea until reading the NDE account of Dr. Richard Eby:

Yom kippor is shown in over 3 places in Revelation, it takes place in the 7th seal and first trumpet, between the 7th trumpet and the first bowl, and at the 7th bowl.

What it looks like to me is a mass death that occurs, but one could be assured that the seals, the trumpets, and the bowls is no doubt showing the fall festivals being fulfilled.

 

[visionary]

Yom kippor is shown in over 3 places in Revelation, it takes place in the 7th seal and first trumpet, between the 7th trumpet and the first bowl, and at the 7th bowl.

What it looks like to me is a mass death that occurs, but one could be assured that the seals, the trumpets, and the bowls is no doubt showing the fall festivals being fulfilled.

Probably because judgment begins the feast of trumpets when the books are opened...when court is in session, heaven is silent for the space of half an hour... and judgement begins with the house of God.. the living.. the wedding... and ends up with the closing of the books and the judgments [plagues of punishment] upon the wicked.

 

[Laureate]

---Quote (Originally by little bubbe)---
I don't even know how the 'rapture' and Judaism (even Messianic) can be put in the same sentence in any seriousness. This doctrine began with some very strange people in the 19th century without a hint of it before.
---End Quote---

Although there may be misconceptions (in one's doctrine) concerning a rapture, the definitive concept, (aside from personal interpretations), is completely of scriptural origin.

Elohym sent two Comforters before the flood, Enoch & Noah, one was lit. Raptured, how he was taken makes me no differrence, the fact of the matter is, he was taken; and the other was also Raptured in the full definitive sense, for if you were there, (and outside of the gene pool of Noah, and his sons) then you probably would have confessed with Your Own mouth...

'Hey, have you heard what Noah is doing? Yeah! Really now! Don't you think he is getting a lil carried away'

...not realizing that Your lips are not your own, notwithstanding, both acknowledging the state of his Rapture, and prophesizing, that Noah will escape the impending disaster, yet he will only 'carry away [< rapture] a lil/few.

Most (so called) 'fanatics' are lit. carried away.

Abram was raptured when he receieved his calling, and he followed 'the voice' whersoever it 'carried' him, can you imagine, the crazy guy was hearing voices, well...Sarah thought it was funny.

Y'kob, Yowseph, Moshe, and the children of Israel were all raptured in one form or another.

Elijah, also was raptured, yet on a whirl wind; and after his resurrection Y'shua was taken up; therefore I look to see how a thing is (true), Not how it is false; yes, I notice the thing that is not (true), yet try not to let it gain (too much) of my attention, nor let it distract my attempt to percieve the truth of a matter, or how can one come to the truth by studying a lie? As we study the truth, the lies become apparent, yet when we study a lie, the truth becomes questionable, and murky which only increases confusion.

"Declaring the end from the beginnning, and from ancient times that which has not come to pass..." Is. 46:10

"The thing that has come to pass, is that which shall come to be, and that whic was performed, is that which shall be performed: thus there is nothing new under the sun." Eccl. 1:9

 

[visionary]

I believe all believers declare that they will be raptured... its the "pre - mid- post - a "distinctions that make for differences and discussions. The rational for "pre" is like an escape clause, and I don't believe any believer that you have mentioned who was "raptured" did before the troubles, but after it was all over.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

---Quote (Originally by little bubbe)---
I don't even know how the 'rapture' and Judaism (even Messianic) can be put in the same sentence in any seriousness. This doctrine began with some very strange people in the 19th century without a hint of it before.
---End Quote---

Although there may be misconceptions (in one's doctrine) concerning a rapture, the definitive concept, (aside from personal interpretations), is completely of scriptural origin.

Elohym sent two Comforters before the flood, Enoch & Noah, one was lit. Raptured, how he was taken makes me no differrence, the fact of the matter is, he was taken; and the other was also Raptured in the full definitive sense, for if you were there, (and outside of the gene pool of Noah, and his sons) then you probably would have confessed with Your Own mouth...

'Hey, have you heard what Noah is doing? Yeah! Really now! Don't you think he is getting a lil carried away'

...not realizing that Your lips are not your own, notwithstanding, both acknowledging the state of his Rapture, and prophesizing, that Noah will escape the impending disaster, yet he will only 'carry away [< rapture] a lil/few.

Most (so called) 'fanatics' are lit. carried away.

Abram was raptured when he receieved his calling, and he followed 'the voice' whersoever it 'carried' him, can you imagine, the crazy guy was hearing voices, well...Sarah thought it was funny.

Y'kob, Yowseph, Moshe, and the children of Israel were all raptured in one form or another.

Elijah, also was raptured, yet on a whirl wind; and after his resurrection Y'shua was taken up; therefore I look to see how a thing is (true), Not how it is false; yes, I notice the thing that is not (true), yet try not to let it gain (too much) of my attention, nor let it distract my attempt to percieve the truth of a matter, or how can one come to the truth by studying a lie? As we study the truth, the lies become apparent, yet when we study a lie, the truth becomes questionable, and murky which only increases confusion.

"Declaring the end from the beginnning, and from ancient times that which has not come to pass..." Is. 46:10

"The thing that has come to pass, is that which shall come to be, and that whic was performed, is that which shall be performed: thus there is nothing new under the sun." Eccl. 1:9

I always just adore all your posts.


What I see with Elijah and Elisha is showing them as the same person, and their lives are so familiar with each other as if the two were one.

I think of the chariot of God coming down and dividing the two men, and then how the one left behind then splits the waters, and then heals the waters.


When I think of waters dividing and standing on end, I think of God splitting our waters and looking inside us. Like Elijah and Elisha split the waters and crossed over into then being symbolized as one. Then divided, and then the one left behind has control of the water in a double portion.

And then to look and see nature attacking the 42 of Ephraim, and 42 seems to always represent Israel of the North.


I look at Elijah and Elisha as if they were the same person and then that person is refined, one is taken, but the other one who is left behind is double powerful than the one who was taken, because the one who was taken gave his spirit to the one left behind.

And then the powerful one left behind has power over the waters{flesh} to split the water and to look inside people, but what I take from this is that the ones being raptured are not in a good position.

Elijah was taken out of the way because he ran from Jezebel, and another man took his place.

 

[daq]

I don't even know how the 'rapture' and Judaism (even Messianic) can be put in the same sentence in any seriousness. This doctrine began with some very strange people in the 19th century without a hint of it before.

Perhaps the concept is addressed under different terms with completely different meanings than what has been ascribed to the idea in modern times. Recently, after explaining that the man is the house, someone made the following comments which apparently concern these things: "There was a day quite some time after I had entered into the land when it seemed as if I might have something "leprous" growing in the walls of my house. So I went to the Priest, saying, "It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house." Little did I know at the time that an appointment would must needs be set and that the Priest would command that they empty the house, (for this is the Law) before he could enter therein to see the plague, (and so that all that is in the house be not made unclean). Therefore practice that great rehearsal day with the affliction of your own soul as commanded; for there is no greater tribulation, neither shall there ever be, for no man is allowed in the house until the seven strokes of atonement be completed, (Leviticus 16:17, Revelation 15:8)."

 

[Laureate]

I believe all believers declare that they will be raptured... its the "pre - mid- post - a "distinctions that make for differences and discussions. The rational for "pre" is like an escape clause, and I don't believe any believer that you have mentioned who was "raptured" did before the troubles, but after it was all over.

Hey, Visy! I agree most K'BoWD GoWiYM do believe in some form of a rapture, however the post I was responding to, did not clarify if they were leary of the rapture doctrines, or of the concept of a rapture period, so I tried to cover all the bases/basis.

The very first example I gave, was Enoch, he was taken just 668 years before the Flood, how long has Christianity been preaching the End? 2000+ years!

 

[mercy1061]

Hey, Visy! I agree most K'BoWD GoWiYM do believe in some form of a rapture, however the post I was responding to, did not clarify if they were leary of the rapture doctrines, or of the concept of a rapture period, so I tried to cover all the bases/basis.

The very first example I gave, was Enoch, he was taken just 668 years before the Flood, how long has Christianity been preaching the End? 2000+ years!

Remember when Yeshua told the story about Lazarus, how the angel came took Lazarus away to be buried next to Abraham? The righteous and the wicked have common destiny, they join the dead.

 

[Yahudim]

Personally Mercy, I think you missed the entire point of that allegory. But what do I know?

Remember when Yeshua told the story about Lazarus, how the angel came took Lazarus away to be buried next to Abraham? The righteous and the wicked have common destiny, they join the dead.

 

[Laureate]

I agree, it was because John the baptist denied his own identity, that amplified Y'shua's potency, for "I must decrease, that he may increase" is what the Greatest person born of a woman said.

Seth was a 'reflection' (Webster's 3rd DAE 3rd entry, image; likeness) of Adam, who inturn was a 'reflection' of Elohym, thus making Seth the express image of Elohym, seeing how, a refection of a reflection renders a true/express image; a refection of Seth's name would seem to indicate that (one of) Adam's (personal) name(s) was 'Theos' the Greek equivalent for Elohym, in Latin 'Deos', according to these sources the same was called Dzeus when He appeared in the flesh;

All three forms simply mean 'Deity' (singular plural like Elohym) Divine one(s), yet its the root 'Theon' that depicts 'the Rock & Consuming fire of Theon/brimstone, which according to the account in Exodus the same represents the Glory of Elohym from which the children of Israel heard Elohym speak, yet they begged not to see or hear again for fear of death, however the 'lake of fire' (molten rock) represents the 2nd death (Rev.) that does not harm those whose faith is victorious (with conviction).

A reflection of the form 'Dy-os' renders 'Shadai' as in El Shadai [The (Great or Divine) Mountain], for "the one who sits on the throne (in heaven) also walks among them", thus "if you had the faith of a mustard seed you would say unto [El lit.] this [Shadai] Mountain be you cast into the sea, and it would be done", Rev. 8:08 "and a Great Mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea".

Seth is the only blood line of Adam still alive upon earth, thus he is the Only begotten son (living), since the flood of Noah's day, hence, We are the Many members of the body of Seth, in fact, any other son of Adam who died in (or prior to) the flood must re-enter the kingdom through one of us, (the many members of the body of) Seth, this includes Adam himself.

I always just adore all your posts.


What I see with Elijah and Elisha is showing them as the same person, and their lives are so familiar with each other as if the two were one.

I think of the chariot of God coming down and dividing the two men, and then how the one left behind then splits the waters, and then heals the waters.


When I think of waters dividing and standing on end, I think of God splitting our waters and looking inside us. Like Elijah and Elisha split the waters and crossed over into then being symbolized as one. Then divided, and then the one left behind has control of the water in a double portion.

And then to look and see nature attacking the 42 of Ephraim, and 42 seems to always represent Israel of the North.


I look at Elijah and Elisha as if they were the same person and then that person is refined, one is taken, but the other one who is left behind is double powerful than the one who was taken, because the one who was taken gave his spirit to the one left behind.

And then the powerful one left behind has power over the waters{flesh} to split the water and to look inside people, but what I take from this is that the ones being raptured are not in a good position.

Elijah was taken out of the way because he ran from Jezebel, and another man took his place.

 

[mercy1061]

Maybe it is possible , for the righteous to be buried in a secret place next to Abraham.

 

[mercy1061]

I agree, it was because John the baptist denied his own identity, that amplified Y'shua's potency, for "I must decrease, that he may increase" is what the Greatest person born of a woman said.

Seth was a 'reflection' (Webster's 3rd DAE 3rd entry, image; likeness) of Adam, who inturn was a 'reflection' of Elohym, thus making Seth the express image of Elohym, seeing how, a refection of a reflection renders a true/express image; a refection of Seth's name would seem to indicate that (one of) Adam's (personal) name(s) was 'Theos' the Greek equivalent for Elohym, in Latin 'Deos', according to these sources the same was called Dzeus when He appeared in the flesh;

All three forms simply mean 'Deity' (singular plural like Elohym) Divine one(s), yet its the root 'Theon' that depicts 'the Rock & Consuming fire of Theon/brimstone, which according to the account in Exodus the same represents the Glory of Elohym from which the children of Israel heard Elohym speak, yet they begged not to see or hear again for fear of death, however the 'lake of fire' (molten rock) represents the 2nd death (Rev.) that does not harm those whose faith is victorious (with conviction).

A reflection of the form 'Dy-os' renders 'Shadai' as in El Shadai [The (Great or Divine) Mountain], for "the one who sits on the throne (in heaven) also walks among them", thus "if you had the faith of a mustard seed you would say unto [El lit.] this [Shadai] Mountain be you cast into the sea, and it would be done", Rev. 8:08 "and a Great Mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea".

Seth is the only blood line of Adam still alive upon earth, thus he is the Only begotten son (living), since the flood of Noah's day, hence, We are the Many members of the body of Seth, in fact, any other son of Adam who died in (or prior to) the flood must re-enter the kingdom through one of us, (the many members of the body of) Seth, this includes Adam himself.

I dont think John denied his own identity, John was Yeshua's cousin. How did John decrease? Was it not because he spoke against the king's wife? As Yeshua's older cousin, he thought it was his job to preach repentance to the royal family.

 

[visionary]

I dont think John denied his own identity, John was Yeshua's cousin. How did John decreasr? Was it notbecause he spoke against the king's wife? As Yeshua's older cousin, he thought it was his job to preach repentance to the royal family.

Or that all the attention he got for his preaching paved the way for our Lord's entrance into the ministry.

 

[Laureate]

Personally Mercy, I think you missed the entire point of that allegory. But what do I know?

Perhaps Lazerus being taken does qualify as a rapture, which by definition must include some degree of Joy when Taken, personally I would have been estatic to join Abraham as opposed to joining the rich man.

Lazerus, like David was permitted to sleep with his forefathers, ahhh! But is not this parable Y'shua's attempt to explain 'ressurection' unto a people who are greatly divided concerning the issue?

"Honestly I am telling you the truth, the hour is coming, As It Is Now, when the dead (sleeping), shall hear the voice of the son of Elohym/Theos (the voice being Ruach H'Kodesh/Spirit of Truth/the Father): and they that hear shall live....Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which everyone that is in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; the....good unto the ressurection of life, and the....evil unto the resurrection of [con-]damnation [Greek Krisis lit. a crisis]." John 5:25,28,29

This Crisis is the state of Hell, for no one buried six feet under is wailing and gnashing their teeth, but we who experience the frustrations of a crisis; now consider the discription of Hell's Fire which Elohym provided for us in Deut. 32:22-24

"For a fire is kindled in my anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains....they will be burnt with hunger, and devoured with the burning heat, and with bitter distruction....The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man, and the virgin...."

According to Elohym the fire of hell is famine, destruction, and the sword, He mentions it again in Isaiah 51 in conjunction with 'death", where He tells them to look to the pit/grave from which you were hewn, awake, awake, He says, and then asks the question, by whom shall I comfort you, specifying, those who are experiencing a famine, destruction, and the sword, yet He says, "I, even I am he who comforts you..." thus He comes as a Comforter, and is able to ransom one from death and the grave.

Awake, sounds like an invitation to rise from the dead, and yet to hear this coming from the son of man, makes it a direct referrence to Ezekiel 37 where Elohym tells the son of man to speak to the dead, and cause them to rise, as you know we are collectively the son of man, and thus it is we who will do the resurrecting.

However, in the same chapter David is described as becoming a halfbreed of two kingdoms, namely, Ephraim and Y'hudah.

 

[SharonL]

The thief on the cross is our example of God's Grace. Jesus comes to many he has chosen through dreams and their last minute on this earth may be spent with Jesus - we will never know.

 

[Laureate]

I dont think John denied his own identity, John was Yeshua's cousin. How did John decrease? Was it not because he spoke against the king's wife? As Yeshua's older cousin, he thought it was his job to preach repentance to the royal family.

Did not John deny being Elijah? And yet Y'shua said, that John was none other than Elijah!

He who has is given more, and they who do not have, have that which they do have, taken from them, and it is given unto the one who does (already) have, therefore the increase is coming from the decrease of another, it reminds me of Samsons riddle, when the seven Philistines solved his riddle, he went and took seven garments from seven other Philistines, and gave it to them.

"If any man desire to come after me, let him deny himself, and follow me. For whosoever desires to save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it

John was taken because, he did not follow after Y'shua, in fact sent some of his disciples to confirm Y'shua's identity, yet it was the righteousnes of the two disciples who did follow Y'shua that condemned John, for they believed John's testimony concerning Y'shua, yet he was not positively sure.

 

[mercy1061]

Did not John deny being Elijah?

His name was John, John is his name given from heaven. John never changed his name, thus he never changed his identity. Your identity includes your name not your ministry, his name is John, he may have had the ministry of Elijah. Elijah's ministry was to turn the people's hearts back to G-d.

Luke 1:13
But the angel said to him: &#8220;Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John.

And yet Y'shua said, that John was none other than Elijah!

Even if we are to conclude that he had the ministry of Elijah, we are still to call him and/or identify him as "John". Now of course Elijah performed miracles, John performed no miracles; so it would have been foolish for him to call himself a famous prophet like Elijah among hypocrites. The people would have looked for him to perform miracles, the religious leaders were trying to trap him. Performing miracles like Elijah was probably not apart of his ministry; John's ministry was to speak the truth about Yeshua.

John 10
40 He went off again beyond the Yarden, where Yochanan had been immersing at first, and stayed there. 41 Many people came to him and said, &#8220;Yochanan performed no miracles, but everything Yochanan said about this man was true.&#8221; 42 And many people there put their trust in him.

Luke 1
16 He will turn many of the people of Isra&#8217;el to Adonai their God. 17 He will go out ahead of Adonai in the spirit and power of Eliyahu to turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous, to make ready for Adonai a people prepared.&#8221;

He who has is given more, and they who do not have, have that which they do have, taken from them, and it is given unto the one who does (already) have, therefore the increase is coming from the decrease of another, it reminds me of Samsons riddle, when the seven Philistines solved his riddle, he went and took seven garments from seven other Philistines, and gave it to them.

The torah requires that if a jew takes something to return it. Samson only return to them what already belonged to them.

"If any man desire to come after me, let him deny himself, and follow me. For whosoever desires to save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it

John was taken because, he did not follow after Y'shua, in fact sent some of his disciples to confirm Y'shua's identity, yet it was the righteousnes of the two disciples who did follow Y'shua that condemned John, for they believed John's testimony concerning Y'shua, yet he was not positively sure.

John was the older cousin, John had to decrease so that Yeshua could increase. Like a king has to decrease/decease in order for his son to sit on the throne.