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YES or NO: Do The 10 Commandments Still Apply To Us Today? (2)

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Love accomplishes the law.
love fulfills the law.
When we have love we keep the law.
Tee hee.. When we have love we go far and beyond the Law.. For it is not our love that we love by but by the Love of God shed abroad in our heart by the Holy Spirit.. For the law accuses us before the Father.. For it is written thou shall not.. Love is written thou shall.. :) Jesus says that whatever we do unto the least of these we do unto Him..
 
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holo are you or are you not subject to the greatest commandment which is love of God?
To answer this question yet again, no. I am not under any commandment of the law, neither the smallest nor the greatest commandment in it.

The law was given
a) to Israel, not to gentiles, and
b) to the wicked and ungodly.

I don't live according to the letter, and I'm not supposed to. The law doesn't motivate any of my actions. Should it? If so, what exactly is it that I need the law for? And how is it that I'm supposedly under only part of the law?
 
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Marc just doesn't get it. He would rather be again subject to slavery instead of being free. It almost seems as though God's grace isn't good enough for him.

Of course you cannot talk about the difference between the Law of commandments of the flesh, vs. grace of the spirit.

You cannot SEE the difference, and must not live born again of the spirit, joined with His Spirit. It would almost be saying that even though Jesus led a most perfect life in the flesh, died a horrific death, now He is in heaven obeying more laws. That would be ridiculous to say the least. Surely you don't believe that. And then if you don't, and you say that your spirit is joined with His Spirit in union, how then could your spirit be subject to any Laws?

Paul said he was, to who it was he talked to. A Jew to the Jews. A Gentile to the Gentiles. Why would he say this?


"All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify."

Of course he would say this. If I am a smoker, and I am talking to a bunch of non smokers teaching them about the wonders of grace, do you not think that if I lit up a smoke, that the people would look at that as a offense to their conscience? Would this not be a stumbling block to them? Why give the opportunity to point and say "look there is a smoker trying to teach us about heavenly things, when he offends us with his smoke? Same with eating and drinking things which are forbidden by Mosaic Law. You become that, which you are confronted in the situation. A Jew to Jews, a Gentile to Gentiles. A slave to the slaves, and a free man to the free. Why wouldn't you, as this makes them more comfortable to learn, and then to let the Spirit of God convict them on which is right and wrong. Do you break any Laws that forbid it? Only if you do those which become an offense for those to whom you are talking to.


Romans 14:13
Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.

1st Cor 8:9

But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak.

Jesus says this:

Rev 2:4

'But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit immorality.

See, if you were to openly eat things sacrificed to idols, and try to convert Jews while knowingly do this, it would be a stumbling block to those Jews. Same with immoralities. Same with anything that goes directly against their teachings. Would be like eating a pork sandwich, and trying to tell them about Christ crucified, at the SAME TIME. If you do this, Jesus said some pretty strong words to this effect.

Matt 18:7
"Woe to the world because of stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!


"Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. "Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. "And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me;but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.


Sounds like pretty harsh words. But bottom line is this summed up perfectly by Paul and this is quoted from the Scriptures:

- Rom 9:33 -
as it is written, "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone that will make men stumble, a rock that will make them fall; and he who believes in him will not be put to shame."


In other words, this Rock, will be a cause of stumble for those who remain in the Old Covenant. You will stumble, over it, and will fall because of it, as you should, if you are a Jew under the OLD Law. If you believe in this Rock, who's name is Jesus, you will not be put to shame, except by those who refuse to live according to the Covenant of Grace.

As you can tell by this verse, in the time of the Old covenant, this Rock wasn't laid yet, into the Earth. It was the heralding of the Christ.

This is the verse to which it came from


Isaiah 8:14
And He shall be for a Sanctuary;

but for a Stone of stumbling and for a Rock of offense to both the houses of Israel, for a Gin and for a Snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.



You have only one of two choices. Either believe wholly in this Rock named Jesus. Or don't wholly and think there is actually something else that you need to do, or better yet, could do. Because until you understand the basics of this, you will not understand how to overcome the flesh. If you think that there is a condition upon your Born Again Spirit, you cannot understand the rest of the story, and your "Virgin's Lamp" will remain only half full. This verse here should have popped right into your head, and filled you with wonder. Remember ALL the metals, with ALL the kingdoms were absolutely CRUSHED AT THE SAME TIME, by what? A Rock! Begotten, and not by human hands, Our Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ, praise be His Name ABOVE all others.

"You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them. "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found.

But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.


 
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Well, Christ told the woman at the well to go her way and sin no more, so apparently He still considered adultry to be a sin.

Christ said the greatest commandment was to love God. That seems to fall under, "Have no other Gods before me."

Christ told Matthew to pay back the people he stole from, from apparently Christ still considered theft a sin.

Christ said that He came "not to end the law," but to "fulfill it." He also said that the law was created to serve men, not men to serve the law.

The ten commandments were given to offer us guides for a better life. Just like your Mom and Dad told you to look both ways before crossing a busy street to protect you, God told you, "Don't murder, don't steal, don't commit adultry, don't lust after someone else's wife or belongings." When you grew up, you had the ABILITY to cross the street without looking, but it would be stupid to do so. With the forgiveness of Christ, a Christian may have the ABILITY to sin without having to make an atonement sacrifice, but it would be stupid to do so.
 
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Tee hee.. When we have love we go far and beyond the Law.. For it is not our love that we love by but by the Love of God shed abroad in our heart by the Holy Spirit.. For the law accuses us before the Father.. For it is written thou shall not.. Love is written thou shall.. :) Jesus says that whatever we do unto the least of these we do unto Him..
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

I did not post that comment out of my own head. It got it form this text. I am not sure why you laughed but that is what the bible says. The 10 commandments are deeper than it seems and that is why we need the holy spirit to lead us into all truth. Love will cause us not only to keep the commandments but ot do much more. But the point i am making is that when we have love we will keep the commandments.
 
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1 question. If we cannot be accused of being lawbreakers then why would God need to forgive us? Why would God need to give us his grace? Aren't we saved from sin by grace? If your son breaks none of your rules can you have mercy on him? Can you forgive him?
 
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Marc just doesn't get it. He would rather be again subject to slavery instead of being free. It almost seems as though God's grace isn't good enough for him.

Of course you cannot talk about the difference between the Law of commandments of the flesh, vs. grace of the spirit.

You cannot SEE the difference, and must not live born again of the spirit, joined with His Spirit. It would almost be saying that even though Jesus led a most perfect life in the flesh, died a horrific death, now He is in heaven obeying more laws. That would be ridiculous to say the least. Surely you don't believe that. And then if you don't, and you say that your spirit is joined with His Spirit in union, how then could your spirit be subject to any Laws?

Paul said he was, to who it was he talked to. A Jew to the Jews. A Gentile to the Gentiles. Why would he say this?


"All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify."

Of course he would say this. If I am a smoker, and I am talking to a bunch of non smokers teaching them about the wonders of grace, do you not think that if I lit up a smoke, that the people would look at that as a offense to their conscience? Would this not be a stumbling block to them? Why give the opportunity to point and say "look there is a smoker trying to teach us about heavenly things, when he offends us with his smoke? Same with eating and drinking things which are forbidden by Mosaic Law. You become that, which you are confronted in the situation. A Jew to Jews, a Gentile to Gentiles. A slave to the slaves, and a free man to the free. Why wouldn't you, as this makes them more comfortable to learn, and then to let the Spirit of God convict them on which is right and wrong. Do you break any Laws that forbid it? Only if you do those which become an offense for those to whom you are talking to.


Romans 14:13
Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.

1st Cor 8:9

But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak.

Jesus says this:

Rev 2:4

'But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit immorality.

See, if you were to openly eat things sacrificed to idols, and try to convert Jews while knowingly do this, it would be a stumbling block to those Jews. Same with immoralities. Same with anything that goes directly against their teachings. Would be like eating a pork sandwich, and trying to tell them about Christ crucified, at the SAME TIME. If you do this, Jesus said some pretty strong words to this effect.

Matt 18:7
"Woe to the world because of stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!


"Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. "Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. "And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me;but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.


Sounds like pretty harsh words. But bottom line is this summed up perfectly by Paul and this is quoted from the Scriptures:

- Rom 9:33 -
as it is written, "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone that will make men stumble, a rock that will make them fall; and he who believes in him will not be put to shame."


In other words, this Rock, will be a cause of stumble for those who remain in the Old Covenant. You will stumble, over it, and will fall because of it, as you should, if you are a Jew under the OLD Law. If you believe in this Rock, who's name is Jesus, you will not be put to shame, except by those who refuse to live according to the Covenant of Grace.

As you can tell by this verse, in the time of the Old covenant, this Rock wasn't laid yet, into the Earth. It was the heralding of the Christ.

This is the verse to which it came from


Isaiah 8:14
And He shall be for a Sanctuary;

but for a Stone of stumbling and for a Rock of offense to both the houses of Israel, for a Gin and for a Snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.



You have only one of two choices. Either believe wholly in this Rock named Jesus. Or don't wholly and think there is actually something else that you need to do, or better yet, could do. Because until you understand the basics of this, you will not understand how to overcome the flesh. If you think that there is a condition upon your Born Again Spirit, you cannot understand the rest of the story, and your "Virgin's Lamp" will remain only half full. This verse here should have popped right into your head, and filled you with wonder. Remember ALL the metals, with ALL the kingdoms were absolutely CRUSHED AT THE SAME TIME, by what? A Rock! Begotten, and not by human hands, Our Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ, praise be His Name ABOVE all others.

"You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them. "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found.

But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.



Tkjcc according to Paul in Romans 8:5-8, if you consider yourself to be "of the Spirit," you ARE subject to the Torah of God.
Tkjcc Are you?


Or Tkjcc are you of the flesh and "not subject to the Law of God?"


Simple answer Tkjcc.

Isn't the greatest commandment love God? Tjcc if you consider yourself of the Spirit are you or are you not subject to the law(love God) God as Paul says?


Marc
 
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To answer this question yet again, no. I am not under any commandment of the law, neither the smallest nor the greatest commandment in it.

The law was given
a) to Israel, not to gentiles, and
b) to the wicked and ungodly.

I don't live according to the letter, and I'm not supposed to. The law doesn't motivate any of my actions. Should it? If so, what exactly is it that I need the law for? And how is it that I'm supposedly under only part of the law?

holo I asked if you consider yourself of the Spirit then as Paul says your are subject to the law of God.

The greatest commandment is love God. Are you saying that since you consider yourself of the Spirit you are subject to the law(love God)?

If not then you must be of the flesh and not subject to love God.

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1 question. If we cannot be accused of being lawbreakers then why would God need to forgive us? Why would God need to give us his grace? Aren't we saved from sin by grace? If your son breaks none of your rules can you have mercy on him? Can you forgive him?
Grace is much more than forgiveness! Did God show grace toward Adam and Eve before they sinned? Yes, very much so - in fact, hadn't it been for the grace of God, they wouldn't even be alive.

The cross wasn't just a superiour animal sacrifice to pay for your sins, it's where you DIED with Christ. And as we died with Him, so we have beeen raised up with Him, as new creations. You aren't in your sins anymore, you aren't in the old Adam anymore, but in the NEW Adam - Christ.

The commandment is the power of sin, without the commandment, sin is DEAD - so yes, without the law there wouldn't be any need for forgiveness. So why cling to the law? The further you get from the law, the less power sin will have over you! Insisting on being under the law is like saying "I must sin so that God can have something to forgive me for..."

The law won't benefit you anymore than it benefitted Adam and Eve.
 
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Grace is much more than forgiveness! Did God show grace toward Adam and Eve before they sinned? Yes, very much so - in fact, hadn't it been for the grace of God, they wouldn't even be alive.

The cross wasn't just a superiour animal sacrifice to pay for your sins, it's where you DIED with Christ. And as we died with Him, so we have beeen raised up with Him, as new creations. You aren't in your sins anymore, you aren't in the old Adam anymore, but in the NEW Adam - Christ.

The commandment is the power of sin, without the commandment, sin is DEAD - so yes, without the law there wouldn't be any need for forgiveness. So why cling to the law? The further you get from the law, the less power sin will have over you! Insisting on being under the law is like saying "I must sin so that God can have something to forgive me for..."

The law won't benefit you anymore than it benefitted Adam and Eve.
So if you don't abide by the law you are free from sin?
 
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So if you don't abide by the law you are free from sin?

According to Paul in Romans 8:5-8, if you consider yourself to be "of the Spirit," you ARE subject to the Torah of God.


Are you?

Or are you of the flesh and "not subject to the Law of God?"


Marc
 
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According to Paul in Romans 8:5-8, if you consider yourself to be "of the Spirit," you ARE subject to the Torah of God.


Are you?

Or are you of the flesh and "not subject to the Law of God?"


Marc
People only look at the scriptures that seem to support their misunderstanding. They would not bother with Romans 5:5 - 8 unfortunately.
 
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I love Gods Law, The Laws of Moses, The Words of The Ultimate Law, Jesus Christ.

The proven "dynamic" of The Law is unto the "revealing" of the presence of SIN in the flesh, and The Law is soooo very effective in PROVING this fact and The Law continues to prove this fact to this very day, even in "believers." That is why they hate The Law soooo much. Because they KNOW that "they" cannot "perform" under the fleshly performances that are required thereunder. Yet that same Law, the "written ordinances" that came via Moses and The Prophets were bowed to by Jesus and by every single writer in the N.T.

Paul really throws the loops into this process when he stated that "we" as "believers" are NOT under The Law, YET Paul himself stated that "he served the law" with HIS MIND...knowing full well that the revealing of the law still produced and produces to this day THE REVEALING OF SIN INDWELLING our flesh. That is in short what The Law is supposed to reveal, and those who have submitted to this SUPERIORITY then have to face the facts of THAT LAW...and admit to the presence of sin indwelling us, which same is not only AROUSED, but EMPOWERED by that same Law....

So in effect, any believer who does not submit to the authority of The Law, and OPENLY ADMIT that the law works these specific intents, imho has not yet arrived to "faith." They are still sidestepping and dodging the obvious existence of sin indwelling their members and that same sin indwelling will UTTERLY SHY away from The Law and it's intentions with THEM.

Paul understood The Law to be "spiritual." Paul understood The Law to be HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, AND GOOD. Paul understood that The Law was good if USED properly. Is there some sense to bucking Paul on these matters and only siding with his statement that "we" are not under The Law? No. You cannot simply take that statement from Paul and IGNORE the balance of Paul's disclosures and statements about The Law because THAT METHODOLOGY does not compute...Paul's words about "not being under" The Law does NOT eradicate Paul's other words about that same Law.

Now picture this fact. Just as The Law of Moses was meant (in part) to reveal the presence of SIN indwelling the flesh, The Words of Jesus (who NEVER denied the very Law that HE GAVE in the O.T.) make an even greater arousal of that same SIN indwelling.

The Pharisees of old condemned "other" people under The Law, but also in typical Pharisee fashions "exonerated themselves" from the spirit and intents of The Law.

Do believers not do the identical things today?

They "justify" themselves in the name of faith and in the name of their God, yet they have not taken condemnation only to the point of the Pharisees, who NEVER promoted eternal torment or believed in eternal torment...but "believers" today have HEIGHTENED the justification of themselves to the point of eternally condemning their fellow man to be burned alive forever.

That is the exact effect that the Higher Law has brought THEM...

Sin was aroused in the flesh of Israel unto judgment.

Sin is aroused by The Word of LOVE to show without any uncertainty the utter HATRED that resides in the flesh of mankind toward OUR BRETHREN and our NEIGHBORS.

I love The Law. And the law of Love has heightened the "effectual working" of the prior Law to an even GREATER revealing...where that HATRED walks openly among us...and that's THE TRUTH of these matters.

The very ones who claim they are under the LOVE of God, turn and use that LOVE to condemn others to be consciously tormented alive in fire, for the very same OBVIOUS LACK that they have within themselves...

And in all of these things...God is So Very True in both The Law and in The Revealings of The Son, The Law made FLESH.

enjoy!

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1 question. If we cannot be accused of being lawbreakers then why would God need to forgive us? Why would God need to give us his grace? Aren't we saved from sin by grace? If your son breaks none of your rules can you have mercy on him? Can you forgive him?

He doesn't NEED to forgive you, IF you have already been forgiven.

Let me ask this of ALL you Christians.
HOW MANY TIMES MUST YOU SACRIFICE JESUS the CHRIST???

How many would enough be enough?

ALL I needed was once. I don't need a million more, because according to the Word of God, it is an insult to GOD! Father gives His Son to You, and the Son comes here willingly. He dies willingly. ONCE! FOR YOU! Not a million times.
This is fornication of the Word, to say that He keeps on sacrificing His Son over and over again. Like you now have a given right to let sin reign over your life, and if you do, the Anti-Christ has already set up kingship in your life, over your spirit. This is Blasphemy. Can you not see this? Can you not hear Him? If you cannot, then pray humbly for guidance. You need it. Nothing in His Word is contradicting itself. Nothing Jesus said goes against Father. Nothing Paul said goes against both Father and Son. We are the New Covenant, not like the Old. Why would a person who is renewed in spirit, want their old spirit back? Why would a person who was subject to slavery, go back after being freed, to slavery?

Who is bewitching you? Let His ONE sacrifice be enough, and then try to marry your body of flesh with your spirit who is ALREADY joined to His, to be the overcomer you can be, and be joined unto His Body. Unless you LOVE Father and Son, and your fellow mankind, how do you know what an overcomer is, or how do you even know what the prize is? Wow! Read and let the Spirit of Truth be revealed to you. Quit worrying about "if you are good enough", or "how much law is enough for me", to be saved. You are already saved, unless you let Anti-Christ(your carnal flesh) set up kingship over your life and control your spirit, in which case you had better get with Father and set things right.

Jesus Christ is my King, no longer my Sacrifice. He doesn't need to be, as once was enough for me. It covered ALL. I am under Grace completely. I am not under any condition, except to let Jesus have Kingship over my life.

This does not mean you can sin at will. This does not mean you can kill and steal. This does not mean that any such nonsense. IF Jesus has set up Kingship over your life, you will not WANT to do these things, as they are against Him. Will you stumble and sin? Yes, of course! You flesh will pay the price for it in death. All flesh dies, because of sin. But you can overcome sin in the flesh. The Word wouldn't say you could if you couldn't. That should be the goal of a Christian, who is saved. To be Born Again OF the FLESH, and the SPIRIT, BOTH. This is a Virgin with a FILLED OIL LAMP! Not HALF! If you choose to not become an overcomer, then you have set your own double standards, and are neither cold nor hot. How does one say they are Born Again, but not understand what that means? How does one say they are Born Again, but instead of letting Christ and His Love rule your heart, you need a tutor to set up rules and regulations by which to "follow". If you follow, you can never lead. How then will you bear fruit? What the heck would your message be? Something like this:

"" You are Saved by Jesus, but you must keep on keepin on. OBEY THE LAWS! But if you BREAK, the Law, whatever that is, you must ask for forgiveness over and over again, knowing you will still fail, because you are not yet a perfected spirit, and your flesh is the one that is working out salvation, so don't sin, and try to be perfect in the flesh, and not worry about the spirit??""

huh???

But then you will say, "what is sin"? Paul says this about sin, and my signature is the verse, but also it is the Commandments of God. They were clarified and pounded home by Jesus in the Flesh, and the Apostles. First and foremost you must have Love! Before there can be anything else, LOVE MUST BE #1. Peace, Joy, and secondly of almost an equal importance is FAITH. Faith is the one thing that as a believer is a must, because this is TRUST. Trust that Jesus did do it all. Trust that the Father's will is always being done, in time of trouble, and times of blessings. Trust that you are indeed a child of God. But in order to have this, you must throw off previous teachings, come out of BABYLON, and become a child again, in learning, and Loving.

To accuse is the Job of your adversary. If you obey the Law, it will be Moses, and He will accuse you to the jot and tittle. Why would I want that? Who would, as no one is that perfect, except for Jesus of Nazareth.
If you try to obey PARTS of the Law, but not ALL of it, then not only Moses, but you, yourself, will accuse you. In the manner in which you judge, likewise you will be judged the same way. According to the SAME Laws! Wow, now you are really in trouble!
If you subject yourself to any Law, by that Law you will be judged. Even worse than that, IF YOU JUDGE ANYTHING, according to the Word, you will be judged. Let that one really really sink in.

So why not just Love and be Loved. I want to be judged on that alone. "Well done, Thy good and faithful servant." is all I want to hear.
 
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So if you don't abide by the law you are free from sin?
If you're not under the law, you're free from sin. If you're not under the law, you are like Adam and Eve before they ate the forbidden fruit. That's why it's so important to realize that Jesus didn't just die as a payment for our sins, but that we also died WITH Him.
 
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According to Paul in Romans 8:5-8, if you consider yourself to be "of the Spirit," you ARE subject to the Torah of God.


Are you?

Or are you of the flesh and "not subject to the Law of God?"


Marc
What about you, Marc? Are YOU subject to the law? Or are you subject to only a small portion of the law?
 
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holo I asked if you consider yourself of the Spirit then as Paul says your are subject to the law of God.

The greatest commandment is love God. Are you saying that since you consider yourself of the Spirit you are subject to the law(love God)?

If not then you must be of the flesh and not subject to love God.

Marc
Are you in the Spirit? Are you subject to the laws about beard lengths?
 
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According to Paul in Romans 8:5-8, if you consider yourself to be "of the Spirit," you ARE subject to the Torah of God.


Are you?

Or are you of the flesh and "not subject to the Law of God?"


Marc


That was the most ridiculous statement yet. Did you even read this, or did you pull a rabbit out of your hat?

Romans 8:1
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.


 
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I can't "abide by the law" any more than I can break it. Because I'm simply not under it. I'm DEAD to the law, just like any other believer is, whether they know it or not.

You as Gods child may very well be dead to The Law.

The Law however STANDS for the purposes intended, and was UPHELD by The Apostles for very good intent and purpose.

The sin that indwells the flesh is and remains continually condemned under that Law...so whilst you can claim your freedom...I know by the "spiritual revealing" of The Law that I am NOT alone in these events, any more than Paul was free from the messenger of Satan that he admittedly carried...

The law doesn't motivate anything I do.

No believer worth his "salt" will ever deny The Law, or to "serve" it.

enjoy!

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