YEC: Speed of Light and distant galaxies

[98cwitr]

So there are galaxies so far away that it would take billions of years for the light to reach us. This light and time is also scientifically measured. So how can a YEC argument stand against this?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

no argument needed.

as Adam, full grown, was created by Yhwh
so too
any and all light created was created in place where it was throughout the universe all at once. no difficulty, no problem, not hard for Yhwh.

 

[miamited]

Hi 98,

I'm in agreement with Jeff.

As I understand the Scriptures when God created Adam he was a full grown adult male. When God made Eve from his rib, she also was a fully grown adult female. Neither of them passed through infancy and then childhood and those terrible teens until they became adults. Scientifically we know that's impossible.

When God created all the plants of the earth there were trees tall and statuesque swaying in the gentle breezes of the atmosphere and flowers budding from full mature plants on the day that they were created. No one had to go around tossing seeds here and there to cover the dry ground with plants and wait months and years for them to grow to maturity. There was already fruit on the trees for Adam and Eve to eat. Scientifically, that's impossible.

When God created the birds and fish and beasts of the fields they were all grown adult species ready to mate and populate the earth with their young. No wobbly legged calves and young, but all fully matured in their species at the moment each first exemplar came to be. Scientifically that's impossible.

When God created all the stars of the universe for seasons and signs, those signs were just as available to Adam and Eve as they are to us today. As God spoke and commanded and the heaven was filled with a multitude of stars, each one's light was visible across the expanse of the universe at the very moment it was created to any eye that could see through the distance from earth. Scientifically, that's impossible.

That's how I explain the light of the stars and our ability to see them today, even though the creation is likely only about 6,000 years old according to a simple and literal reading of the account of God's days of creating this realm.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[prov1810]

I just assume that creation week is a special case - God setting up the universe in supernatural ways, and then governing it through natural laws afterward.

Does Distant Starlight Prove the Universe is Old?

 

[Alithis]

-"God is light........."- he set the boundaries(laws) on everything.but is not governed by them

 

[Bluelion]

here is a thought maybe science is wrong. Maybe just maybe they can not measure things as well as they believe they can, maybe they are just making guesses. I mean in order to prove their theory would they not have to go to these planets shine a light as bright as them then measure how long it too before earth pick it up? Maybe light travels differently over vast space. Or maybe God just created it that way.

Me personally I think man is not as smart as he thinks.

 

[Alithis]

Science wrong?
Shock-horror.noooo surely not....

I wonder how science will explain the sky rolling up like a scroll and the Lord Jesus appearing in Glory..........
Oh
Wait.... they will be to busy crying out for the rocks and mountains to fall on them and hide them from the Lamb of God who will ,in that instant, prove that all thier wisdom is utter foolishness.

 

[98cwitr]

So what you guys are saying is that God made the speed of light travel faster than the speed of light

 

[Alithis]

So what you guys are saying is that God made the speed of light travel faster than the speed of light

haha.. nope, im saying he told light how fast its allowed to travel after he made it.

 

[miamited]

Hi 98,

Yes, if that's the way you want to view it, it could be seen that way, although myself, I believe that God just 'put' all the light where He wanted it to be. Not that it 'traveled'.

You see, God made Adam a fully grown man 'faster' than a full grown man can grow to be. God made the plants grow to maturity 'faster' than a full grown plant can grow to maturity. God made all the living creatures grow 'faster' than a full grown creature can grow to be; if that's how you want to consider it. Then, all that God created began to function as we know it today.

Men grew from infancy. Plants grew from seeds. Creatures grew from a birth beginning. Light began to 'travel' from its source. God created all things and after He created all things mature and fully formed as He set everything in our realm in place, the natural laws of God went into effect to govern all that He had created.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted.

 

[98cwitr]

^^^not really seeing the evidence when i read Genesis of what you're talking about. Genesis says that God formed man from the dust...and there is no indication that the man was in fact a new born infant. Can you elaborate?

@Lion: Just a thought on this quote:

"Finally, we come to the conclusion that the speed of light is not only observed to be constant; in the light of well tested theories of physics, it does not even make any sense to say that it varies."

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/speed_of_light.html

Another troubling evidence of nature is the moon, and looking at all the impacts, you would think they would have been recorded. Yet, we see no evidence of large scale moon impacts in Antiquity writings or Scripture. Why is that?

 

[OzSpen]

So there are galaxies so far away that it would take billions of years for the light to reach us. This light and time is also scientifically measured. So how can a YEC argument stand against this?

You seem to have 2 topics involved here: (1) the age of the earth (and your presumption is against a young earth), with (2) how long it takes for light to come from galaxies to the earth (an old earth argument, which you seem to favour).

yeshuaslavejeff has provided the answer for you but I don't expect it to satisfy your old earth presupposition.

 

[Bluelion]

^^^not really seeing the evidence when i read Genesis of what you're talking about. Genesis says that God formed man from the dust...and there is no indication that the man was in fact a new born infant. Can you elaborate?

@Lion: Just a thought on this quote:

"Finally, we come to the conclusion that the speed of light is not only observed to be constant; in the light of well tested theories of physics, it does not even make any sense to say that it varies."

Is The Speed of Light Constant?

Another troubling evidence of nature is the moon, and looking at all the impacts, you would think they would have been recorded. Yet, we see no evidence of large scale moon impacts in Antiquity writings or Scripture. Why is that?

well right now we "know" nothing can travel faster than light, but we know God could, we know angels do. The fastest way between two points is a straight line right? Wrong the fast way between two points is to bend space so the two points are on top of each other and then connect. Maybe space is bent so the light from these planets appear in a instance here. Just another thought using science.

Thing with science is there is almost always more than one possibility.

 

[98cwitr]

Well now we're talking about wormholes Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to limit God's capabilities within science, but it just seems to me that if we can prove that planets are millions of light-years away, look at the vast damage of the earth and moon over time without record, it would stand to reason that we (fallible humans) have a misunderstanding of what Genesis is telling us. jm2c.

 

[prov1810]

This light and time is also scientifically measured. So how can a YEC argument stand against this?

We are talking about a Being who creates ex nihilo and performs miracles. "That's not scientifically possible" is His middle name.

 

[98cwitr]

We are talking about a Being who creates ex nihilo and performs miracles. "That's not scientifically possible" is His middle name.

Agreed

 

[SeventhValley]

Well now we're talking about wormholes Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to limit God's capabilities within science, but it just seems to me that if we can prove that planets are millions of light-years away, look at the vast damage of the earth and moon over time without record, it would stand to reason that we (fallible humans) have a misunderstanding of what Genesis is telling us. jm2c.

I'm with you on this

 

[Skala]

So there are galaxies so far away that it would take billions of years for the light to reach us. This light and time is also scientifically measured. So how can a YEC argument stand against this?

God created a mature, working universe. Genesis explicitly says that the stars were created for a purpose (for signs and seasons). How could they serve that purpose unless the light was going to reach?

As I said, God created a mature universe. He did not create a fetus, he created a full grown man. (Adam) He did not plant seeds (and then have to wait for decades before the plants could do anything useful), instead, He created a fully functioning garden.

Can't this same concept be applied to all elements of creation, even the stars?

 

[98cwitr]

God created a mature, working universe. Genesis explicitly says that the stars were created for a purpose (for signs and seasons). How could they serve that purpose unless the light was going to reach?

As I said, God created a mature universe. He did not create a fetus, he created a full grown man. (Adam) He did not plant seeds (and then have to wait for decades before the plants could do anything useful), instead, He created a fully functioning garden.

Can't this same concept be applied to all elements of creation, even the stars?

Then why did God make dark planets that reflect no light on Earth specifically?

I agree with your latter sentiments

 

[Bluelion]

Well now we're talking about wormholes Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to limit God's capabilities within science, but it just seems to me that if we can prove that planets are millions of light-years away, look at the vast damage of the earth and moon over time without record, it would stand to reason that we (fallible humans) have a misunderstanding of what Genesis is telling us. jm2c.

or maybe God meant what He said.