YEC: Speed of Light and distant galaxies

[Alithis]

I just found this thread and read through it and was surprised nobody bothered to actually read and quote Genesis 1. He created light on day 1. Stars were created on day 4. Seems pretty obvious to me that He created the light already in place which would point to the stars He had yet to make so that we could see them even though they are too far away for the light to have reached us yet if that light had not been created first. Was He trying to fool people? Of course not! He was providing us with a view of His greatness by allowing us to see those things which could not possibly yet be seen had He not put the stars light in place beforehand. I see no contradiction in being able to see galaxies billions of light years away and still having a 6,000 year old creation.

Its been alluded to on other threads.
Its all vanity really.
Mans science at its highest is still utter foolishness.

 

[ben24]

1 Corinthians 1:18-31

 

[Alithis]

1 Corinthians 1:18-31

Says it all

 

[Bluelion]

I just found this thread and read through it and was surprised nobody bothered to actually read and quote Genesis 1. He created light on day 1. Stars were created on day 4. Seems pretty obvious to me that He created the light already in place which would point to the stars He had yet to make so that we could see them even though they are too far away for the light to have reached us yet if that light had not been created first. Was He trying to fool people? Of course not! He was providing us with a view of His greatness by allowing us to see those things which could not possibly yet be seen had He not put the stars light in place beforehand. I see no contradiction in being able to see galaxies billions of light years away and still having a 6,000 year old creation.

Its older than 6,000 years but certainly not more than 30,000. Adam lived 930 years Noah i think about the same Human life span use to be about a thousand years before God shorten it.

Tell me this what is the light we see from stars any ways? If are son is a big fiery ball, no doubt we can see the sun on fire, but I can not see say Australia on fire from the USA, so is it the light of fire we are seeing the "billions of light years away star"? what is the light. maybe I am just simple minded, but how can fire be so bright? could it be another light? please forgive my foolish simpleminded. I just know what God tells me and sometimes not even that

 

[lismore]

So there are galaxies so far away that it would take billions of years for the light to reach us. This light and time is also scientifically measured. So how can a YEC argument stand against this?

A light year is a distance, not a time.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/kw/stars-far-away

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

How long were Adam and Eve in the garden ? This is one question no one wants to ask. You say Adam was 930 years old, was he ? Even though he did not age in the garden, God still established time, the day and the evening etc. I think it utter foolishness to debate the age of the earth without taking the time in the garden into consideration. God does not tell us the answer, and there was no huge drama, things were perfect, so God condenses the story, to only creation and the fall. But I tell you, I would guarantee you, they were there no less than a thousand years.

 

[Bluelion]

How long were Adam and Eve in the garden ? This is one question no one wants to ask. You say Adam was 930 years old, was he ? Even though he did not age in the garden, God still established time, the day and the evening etc. I think it utter foolishness to debate the age of the earth without taking the time in the garden into consideration. God does not tell us the answer, and there was no huge drama, things were perfect, so God condenses the story, to only creation and the fall. But I tell you, I would guarantee you, they were there no less than a thousand years.

The Bible says he lived 930 years did not pull that number from a hat.

 

[miamited]

How long were Adam and Eve in the garden ? This is one question no one wants to ask. You say Adam was 930 years old, was he ? Even though he did not age in the garden, God still established time, the day and the evening etc. I think it utter foolishness to debate the age of the earth without taking the time in the garden into consideration. God does not tell us the answer, and there was no huge drama, things were perfect, so God condenses the story, to only creation and the fall. But I tell you, I would guarantee you, they were there no less than a thousand years.

Hi JD,

And on what evidence are you basing the claim that Adam didn't age while in the garden? And your guarantee, what backs that up. Are you thinking you can stand before your God and say, "Well, God, I guaranteed it."

God bless you
In Christ, Ted

 

[StephanieSomer]

How long were Adam and Eve in the garden ? This is one question no one wants to ask. You say Adam was 930 years old, was he ? Even though he did not age in the garden, God still established time, the day and the evening etc. I think it utter foolishness to debate the age of the earth without taking the time in the garden into consideration. God does not tell us the answer, and there was no huge drama, things were perfect, so God condenses the story, to only creation and the fall. But I tell you, I would guarantee you, they were there no less than a thousand years.

One would think if Adam and Eve were in the garden over a thousand years before the fall that there would have been a LOT of children. Wouldn't one?

 

[Yekcidmij]

The Bible says he lived 930 years did not pull that number from a hat.

The bible does say that Adam was 930. Have you ever looked at the ages of Jared, Methuselah, Lamech, Shem, and those after Shem? Ever noticed that Noah didn't die until after Abraham was an old man?

 

[NannaNae]

that is kind of easy ,

so now assume it is true, because is true! all you atheist keep telling us and demanding we assume he isn't capable.. so you assume he is .
so now you figure out how he did it !

so for a quicky ..... I say he either threw the light into the sky / thus big bang LIKE ,,,,,,and there is a speed way faster than light so human measurements mean nothing at all to anything relevant to that subject .


SO if he threw the stars from a point not far from where we are now......we would see them by their path moving away. ( which science now claims the stars are still moving away)

Or let's say he made the heavens to look old ! and man is blind and deaf and dumb.

because just like the eyes he made in the man ( with spit and dirt). eyes that looked like they had always been in that man's head.,. they looked old to those who refused to really believe that God created eyeballs, especially with dirt and spit.

but to those that knew what he was really capable of doing including forgiveness of sin and he raising the dead and walked on water .. ..those eyes they looked just like new eyes because, they were new ..

so it all boils down to how well you know Jesus and what he is capable of doing .
I say man's magic machine and man's measurements of HIS creation , means nothing, and less than zero .. because I do know how wrong they can get it.

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

One would think if Adam and Eve were in the garden over a thousand years before the fall that there would have been a LOT of children. Wouldn't one?

exactly, where do you think all the other people in the earth came from?

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them,( Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,) and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Cain told God that others would kill him, what others? God told Adam and Eve to multiply and sudue the earth. That was their main job, and they had their kids move out, you do think they obeyed him dont you ?

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

The bible does say that Adam was 930. Have you ever looked at the ages of Jared, Methuselah, Lamech, Shem, and those after Shem? Ever noticed that Noah didn't die until after Abraham was an old man?

930 years after he left the Garden, as before, time was kept, but he did not age. So Adam could have lived 2000 years. But God only gave the years as HE AGED

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

Hi JD,

And on what evidence are you basing the claim that Adam didn't age while in the garden? And your guarantee, what backs that up. Are you thinking you can stand before your God and say, "Well, God, I guaranteed it."

God bless you
In Christ, Ted

Simple, before the fall man was immortal, like God and the angels. Immortals do not age. God created Adam a fully mature man, and Eve a fully mature woman, in their perfect prime.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, (it was very good.) And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

When God said it was very good, it was perfect. Aging after one reaches their prime is decay, God told Adam and Eve
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Aging is decay, decay is death. If you age after you reach maturity, your body is breaking down. Any of us who has reached 40 and older know this first hand. Can you perform as you did at 30 ? Do you recover, or heal as fast as at 30 ? Why ? because your body is slowly dying

 

[Yekcidmij]

930 years after he left the Garden, as before, time was kept, but he did not age. So Adam could have lived 2000 years. But God only gave the years as HE AGED

That's just not what the text says though.


Thus all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred thirty years; and he died.

 

[Yekcidmij]

And there is disagreement over when Adam had children. The Masoretic Text, Aramaic Targums, and Samaritan Pentateuch say 130, however the Septuagint and Josephus (probably quoting from the LXX) say he was 230. Jubilees says he was in the first Jubilee - so we assume it means he was 50.

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

That's just not what the text says though.


Thus all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred thirty years; and he died.

I just figure that God dose not think he has to spell it all out, he has given us reasoning skills. If he put every single thing down imagine how big the Bible would be. Take the clues, I explained the thoughts behind aging, and posed the question, where did all the other tribes of people come from. Let us not be afraid to think. Now these things are not critical to our salvation, but they give us interesting puzzles to try to ponder the wonders of our creator.

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;

How would Eve know what child birth felt like, God is saying I will multiply thy pain, how would she know if she had never had children before,?

13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; (and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.)

who will find him, who will slay him ? You say Cain and Able where the first children, you say Adam was not in the Garden more than 50 or so years and they had no children there, who are these people, where did they come from, just asking, as these are serious questions in my mind. I firmly believe Adam and Eve where the first people, and the only ones created by Gods hands (from the dust and rib)

15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain,( lest any finding him should kill him.)
God took it serious that others could find him and kill him, even decreeing that if anyone did, vengence would be taken on them, who are these people where did they come from?

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in (the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.)

This was an area east of Eden, already known, and named, by who, and there where people there, from whom Cain obtained a wife

17 (And Cain knew his wife)
Where did she come from, ?????
and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

 

[Bluelion]

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just because science says it is unbiased does not make it true. Lets be clear. Evolution is a Theory. It is not a Law which something in science becomes when it is proven to be fact. Evolution is taught as fact and not theory, they do not say any longer this is not proven but we suspect, they say when evolution happen. That is bias. The light we are discussing is theory, we can not prove for a fact that that star is billions of years away, We have no way to measure that far, we have never sent anything that far, so it is theory yet everyone here is teaching it as fact, like it is a fact that star is billions of light years away.

I would suggest we don't even understand the light that comes from a star. If a star is ball of flaming gas and this star is a billion years away, would that not be like lighting a house on fire in china and seeing it burn from the USA. Maybe I am simple minded, but something does not seem right about the whole thing. and Like I said it is all theory any way. But Gods word you either say it happen or reject it all, but it is not theory to me, its called faith.

 

[Yekcidmij]

If a star is ball of flaming gas and this star is a billion years away, would that not be like lighting a house on fire in china and seeing it burn from the USA.

Not unless that house in China was lit on fire by a fusion reaction.