Works are Intrinsic to Salvation

[Soyeong]

The Bible is abundantly clear that our salvation is not the result of having done works, such as in Romans 4:1-5, where it denies that we can earn our justification as a wage. This has led some to think that works are instead the result of our salvation, to think that the problem is that we can't do enough works that would result in our salvation, and/or to think that works have nothing to do with our salvation, though all of these are mistaken.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to it is intrinsically the content of the gift of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. For example, honoring our parents is intrinsically the concept of Jesus saving us from not honoring our parents. According to Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so it is neither the case that our salvation is the result of doing those works or that doing them is the result of our salvation, but that God graciously teaching us to do them is intrinsically the content of His gift of saving us from not doing them.

In Romans 3:21-22, it does not say that the Law and the Prophets testify that the righteousness of God comes through having good enough works, but rather they testify that it comes through faith in Christ for all who believe. In Matthew 11:28-30 and Jeremiah 6:16-19, God's law is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls, however, if our obedience to it were about trying to be good enough, then it would not be the way to find rest for our souls. God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so our obedience to His instructions is about having faith in Him to correctly divide between good and evil rather than leaning on our own understanding (Proverbs 3:1-6), and it is through that same faith that we are declared righteous. Choosing to take righteous actions through faith is intrinsically part of being righteous in much the same way as choosing to take courageous actions is intrinsically part of being courageous.

 

[timothyu]

Change (repent) and follow the will of God rather than the will of man which is more interested in self than in others.

 

[Clare73]

The Bible is abundantly clear that our salvation is not the result of having done works, such as in Romans 4:1-5, where it denies that we can earn our justification as a wage. This has led some to think that works are instead the result of our salvation, to think that the problem is that we can't do enough works that would result in our salvation, and/or to think that works have nothing to do with our salvation, though all of these are mistaken.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21)

Our salvation is from the consequence of sin; i.e., the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) and condemnation (Ro 5:18), and to obedience in the Holy Spirit which leads to righteousness leading to holiness (Ro 6:16, Ro 6:19).

 

[IoanC]

Salvation also means a certain kind of behaviour. There is no pressure to produce works, but they might naturally follow because God and religion become the centre of our lives.

 

[Soyeong]

Our salvation is from the consequence of sin; i.e., the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) and condemnation (Ro 5:18), and to obedience in the Holy Spirit which leads to righteousness leading to holiness (Ro 6:16, Ro 6:19).

Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the consequences of our sin while we continued to live in sin, so our salvation must also be from living in sin, and doing works is intrinsically part of that. Again, in Titus 2:11-14, it does not say that we have been saved in order to do those works, but rather is describes our salvation as being trained by grace to do them, so it does not separate our works from our salvation.

 

[Soyeong]

Salvation also means a certain kind of behaviour. There is no pressure to produce works, but they might naturally follow because God and religion become the centre of our lives.

Are you saying that salvation is intrinsically a kind of behavior or that salvation happens first and then a certain kind of behavior is the natural result of our behavior? If the latter, then please interact with my post to explain why you disagree with it.

 

[Clare73]

Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the consequences of our sin while we continued to live in sin,

Born from above by the Holy Spirit is God's remedy for sinning.

 

[d taylor]

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People who believe works are part of a person receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation. Will get to plea their belief at the great white throne judgment.

 

[Soyeong]

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People who believe works are part of a person receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation. Will get to plea their belief at the great white throne judgment.

There are many verses that support that works are the way to receive God's free gift of eternal life, such as Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25-28, Romans 2:6-7, Romans 6:19-23, Hebrews 5:9, and Revelation 22:14, as well as Exodus 33:13 with John 17:3.

 

[d taylor]

There are many verses that support that works are the way to receive God's free gift of eternal life, such as Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25-28, Romans 2:6-7, Romans 6:19-23, Hebrews 5:9, and Revelation 22:14, as well as Exodus 33:13 with John 17:3.

The way to Eternal Life salvation is the Narrow Gate. Every work that is added widens the gate/way and a way that has been widen leads to destruction. Even one work widens the gate/way.

Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[timothyu]

A lot of so called Brides gonna find out all the work they have put into being one was for naught then.

 

[fhansen]

The Bible is abundantly clear that our salvation is not the result of having done works, such as in Romans 4:1-5, where it denies that we can earn our justification as a wage. This has led some to think that works are instead the result of our salvation, to think that the problem is that we can't do enough works that would result in our salvation, and/or to think that works have nothing to do with our salvation, though all of these are mistaken.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to it is intrinsically the content of the gift of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. For example, honoring our parents is intrinsically the concept of Jesus saving us from not honoring our parents. According to Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so it is neither the case that our salvation is the result of doing those works or that doing them is the result of our salvation, but that God graciously teaching us to do them is intrinsically the content of His gift of saving us from not doing them.

In Romans 3:21-22, it does not say that the Law and the Prophets testify that the righteousness of God comes through having good enough works, but rather they testify that it comes through faith in Christ for all who believe. In Matthew 11:28-30 and Jeremiah 6:16-19, God's law is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls, however, if our obedience to it were about trying to be good enough, then it would not be the way to find rest for our souls. God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so our obedience to His instructions is about having faith in Him to correctly divide between good and evil rather than leaning on our own understanding (Proverbs 3:1-6), and it is through that same faith that we are declared righteous. Choosing to take righteous actions through faith is intrinsically part of being righteous in much the same way as choosing to take courageous actions is intrinsically part of being courageous.

Yes, the new covenant is not about receiving a reprieve from the obligation to be obedient and righteous, but rather it’s the means to accomplishing that very thing. This happens as we turn to God in faith, who then gives the “gift of righteousness” as it’s called in Scripture, who accomplishes in us what the law can only testify to but cannot accomplish: the justification of man. Union with God through faith is the essence of the new covenant, and that same union is the basis of righteousness for man. It reverses the unrighteous or unjust state of alienation from God that we’re all born into and which is the consequence of Adam’s sin for all humankind.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.” Jer 31:33

“For if, by the trespass of the one man, deathreigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!” Rom 5:17

“When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.” Rom 6:20-22

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” 2 Cor 5:10

 

[timothyu]

Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven. Take it or leave it. We either support the Kingdom of God for our governance or stick to the useless governance of man built from a world we have created in our own image where nothing is ever resolved and revolves around gain at the expense of others, winner take all.

 

[d taylor]

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to it is intrinsically the content of the gift of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. For example, honoring our parents is intrinsically the concept of Jesus saving us from not honoring our parents. According to Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so it is neither the case that our salvation is the result of doing those works or that doing them is the result of our salvation, but that God graciously teaching us to do them is intrinsically the content of His gift of saving us from not doing them.

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What Did the Angel Mean, “He Will Save His People from Their Sins”? Matthew 1:21 – Grace Evangelical Society

 

[Soyeong]

The way to Eternal Life salvation is the Narrow Gate. Every work that is added widens the gate/way and a way that has been widen leads to destruction. Even one work widens the gate/way.

Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

There are many verses that describe God's law as being God's way, such as Psalms 103:7, where God made His way known to Moses, and Exodus 33:13, where Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know Him and Israel too, which is eternal life (John 17:3). So God's way is the narrow way that leads to life, yet you consider following God's way to be the way to destruction as if when God gave His law, he was leading His children to destruction rather than to life. In Deuteronomy 32:46-47, God's law is our very life.

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What Did the Angel Mean, “He Will Save His People from Their Sins”? Matthew 1:21 – Grace Evangelical Society

Christ's salvation from our sins would be incomplete if we were only saved from the consequences of our sins while we continued to live in sin, so while saving us from our sins certainly involves saving us from the consequence of our sins, it must also involve saving us from continuing to live sin by leading us to live in obedience to God's law through faith.

 

[Brightfame52]

There are many verses that support that works are the way to receive God's free gift of eternal life, such as Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25-28, Romans 2:6-7, Romans 6:19-23, Hebrews 5:9, and Revelation 22:14, as well as Exodus 33:13 with John 17:3.

A person must be saved before they can believe and repent ! Believing and repenting are the first evidential works that a person has been saved.

 

[Dan Perez]

A person must be saved before they can believe and repent ! Believing and repenting are the first evidential works that a person has been saved.

Will you help me out , by writing where that verse is found ?

dan p

 

[Brightfame52]

Will you help me out , by writing where that verse is found ?

dan p

No I cant help you !

 

[Clare73]

Will you help me out , by writing where that verse is found ?

dan p

You can't even see the kingdom of God, much less believe in it, until you are sovereignly reborn of the Holy Spirit, whose sovereignty is as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:3-8).

 

[timothyu]

From the Encyclopaedia Judaica

Holy - (qadosh) to be set apart for a special purpose (not meaning, to be righteous) eg. Holy ground

Spirit - (ru'ach) wind (to follow a recommended path) eg Holy Spirit (see Holy)

Jesus said he would send the HS not to guide the people to the Kingdom but to help those already of the Kingdom (whose allegiance was to God alone and no longer to the will of man or the rebellious gods of this world) to help guide them and keep them from falling from the path as noted in the Parable of the Sower. Following a recommended path.