Wondering if you can give me some good reasons why masturbation is a bad thing.

[Calliso]

Like I said to another that wanted everything spelled out.

If we go by your standard then necrophelia and many other things would be acceptable.

But the fact is that you need to develop a personal relationship with God and you will then know that God sees masturbation and necrophylia as evil.

Didn;t someone already show that necrophylia is not supported by the bible in this thread? And I do have a personal relationship with God and you know so far he has never told me MB is wrong.

 

[Calliso]

What little Faith.

God can give life even in a barren woman.

Eh good point I guess..but can you give any actual examples of a trully barren woman getting pregnant?

 

[Danyc]

What little Faith.

God can give life even in a barren woman.

O ye of little sense.

What you say is true. Too bad He doesn't.

God can also sin. Too bad He doesn't.

You're point...sorry, there was no point. My bad.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Eh good point I guess..but can you give any actual examples of a trully barren woman getting pregnant?

Sarah

 

[dayhiker]

Sex should always be considered a part of making life whether we think it will happen or not.

Sex is reserved for marriage and marriage is how we emmulate God and his church. It must aslways be open to life or it is evil in nature. Also we live in a world full of evil and we were born in to sin and maintain some of it's effects. Even in scripture when they were baptized they fought with sin, including the sins of the body. Masturbation is a sin of the body.

This statement of yours makes no sense to me at all.
"It(sex) must always be open to life or it is evil in nature." There's no talk in the Bible along these lines. One a woman is past monopause there's no change of creating new life. This I'd consider just a man made tradtion to control people and make them feel guilty. I know of no reason God would want someone to think that way. Its some sort of fantasy that we can always make new life when we have sex.

Sorry, I just don't see any reality in that line of thought.
dayhiker

 

[Gukkor]

What little Faith.

God can give life even in a barren woman.

And He can also give life even in a woman who has sex while using contraceptives, or in a woman who has no sex but masturbates, or in a woman who is completely without sexual experience at all.

 

[Danyc]

And He can also give life even in a woman who has sex while using contraceptives, or in a woman who has no sex but masturbates, or in a woman who is completely without sexual experience at all.

 

[Dannager]

And He can also give life even in a woman who has sex while using contraceptives, or in a woman who has no sex but masturbates, or in a woman who is completely without sexual experience at all.

Zing.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

And He can also give life even in a woman who has sex while using contraceptives, or in a woman who has no sex but masturbates, or in a woman who is completely without sexual experience at all.

Women conceive all the time while taking contraceptives or the pill. Thing is the contraceptive aborts the new life.

So now contraception not only prevents life it kills life.

I think you all should be able to see that murder is a sin.

 

[Calliso]

Women conceive all the time while taking contraceptives or the pill. Thing is the contraceptive aborts the new life.

So now contraception not only prevents life it kills life.

I think you all should be able to see that murder is a sin.

I am sorry I donlt see killing a just fertilized egg that consists of maybe a handful of cells as murder....Not to mention the body naturally aborts fertilized eggs quite a bit.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I am sorry I donlt see killing a just fertilized egg that consists of maybe a handful of cells as murder....

You should know that with better technology today we know that at the moment of conception there is life and that this life is unique with it's own DNA and seperate of the mother.

You should also know that current law has tried and convicted someone of double homocide with the murder of a pregnant woman in California.

So you may think it is not killing but by the law and science and even scripture it is homocide. For what is homocide but the killing of another human being.

Learn and Live

 

[Calliso]

You should know that with better technology today we know that at the moment of conception there is life and that this life is unique with it's own DNA and seperate of the mother.

You should also know that current law has tried and convicted someone of double homocide with the murder of a pregnant woman in California.

So you may think it is not killing but by the law and science and even scripture it is homocide. For what is homocide but the killing of another human being.

Learn and Live

I can imagine that the fetus was viable or almost viable in that case. For a just fertilized egg I think it would be much more difficult to get the charges to stick. And yes there is life and yes something is killed..but killing does not equal murder..otherwise any of us who has stepped on a bug would have commited murder.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I can imagine that the fetus was viable or almost viable in that case. For a just fertilized egg I think it would be much more difficult to get the charges to stick. And yes there is life and yes something is killed..but killing does not equal murder..otherwise any of us who has stepped on a bug would have commited murder.

You have murder by the government's standards and you have murder by God's standards.

I can promise you that abortion is murder by God's standards.

As to government's standards it will vary.

In the USA abotion is currently legal because the baby is not seen as a person until it exits the womb. But by law the unborn child is a human being even in the USA as the case in California assures us though that human life is not currently granted the inalienable rights of a person.

 

[Gukkor]

Women conceive all the time while taking contraceptives or the pill. Thing is the contraceptive aborts the new life.

So now contraception not only prevents life it kills life.

I think you all should be able to see that murder is a sin.

The term contraceptive is a broad one. Some contraceptives work by aborting the pregnancy immediately after fertilization, but most that I'm aware of prevent fertilization altogether.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

The term contraceptive is a broad one. Some contraceptives work by aborting the pregnancy immediately after fertilization, but most that I'm aware of prevent fertilization altogether.

Yes I know...

Even ones that 'prevent' fertilization have been found to kill the fertilized egg before it attaches to the wall.

 

[Dannager]

Women conceive all the time while taking contraceptives or the pill. Thing is the contraceptive aborts the new life.

What, condoms abort the new life?

Spermicide aborts the new life?

The Pill aborts the new life?

Are you actually saying these things? Tell me you're not actually saying these things. Because, man, if you're saying these things I don't think you can honestly pretend to have any sort of authority in this debate until you've done a pretty substantial amount of reading up.

 

[Dannager]

Yes I know...

Even ones that 'prevent' fertilization have been found to kill the fertilized egg before it attaches to the wall.

No, now you're just talking about Plan B. By "preventing fertilization" we're referring to actual preventative contraception.

 

[Dreamomto4]

wow. what a topic to read as a newbie. and I bet whoever started this thread is still unsure of the answer.

For the record, I'd like to see Jack the Catholic quoting a little more Bible and less categism.

And, since my 18 month old boy has recently discovered the joy of being diaper-less in the bathtub, I;m thinking it is a natural experience, not a strickly sexual one.
As a Christian, we can judge the sin in things best by seeing if we are placing "it" (whatever "it" may be) above Jesus' sum up of the Law - above our devotion to God or neighbour. If yes=sin, if no=not sin.
Simple, but it works in my world.

 

[Dannager]

wow. what a topic to read as a newbie. and I bet whoever started this thread is still unsure of the answer.

For the record, I'd like to see Jack the Catholic quoting a little more Bible and less categism.

And, since my 18 month old boy has recently discovered the joy of being diaper-less in the bathtub, I;m thinking it is a natural experience, not a strickly sexual one.
As a Christian, we can judge the sin in things best by seeing if we are placing "it" (whatever "it" may be) above Jesus' sum up of the Law - above our devotion to God or neighbour. If yes=sin, if no=not sin.
Simple, but it works in my world.

This is an excellent way to look at the situation, and a fine rule to live by.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

wow. what a topic to read as a newbie. and I bet whoever started this thread is still unsure of the answer.

For the record, I'd like to see Jack the Catholic quoting a little more Bible and less categism.

And, since my 18 month old boy has recently discovered the joy of being diaper-less in the bathtub, I;m thinking it is a natural experience, not a strickly sexual one.
As a Christian, we can judge the sin in things best by seeing if we are placing "it" (whatever "it" may be) above Jesus' sum up of the Law - above our devotion to God or neighbour. If yes=sin, if no=not sin.
Simple, but it works in my world.

I apologize to you and the others that are not Catholic.

The reason I have used the Catechism at all is because Dannager is Catholic or so Dannager's symbol shows. Fact is Dannager is what Jesus called a Hypocrite becuase he does not follow what his Faith teaches and it was my attempts as a brother in the Catholic Faith to try and bring him back to the Church.

But for all my protestant brethren I apologize that you have been part of Dannager's reprisals.