Wondering if you can give me some good reasons why masturbation is a bad thing.

[Danyc]

God gives us life, life that He wants us to serve Him with. If you want to place sexuality even remotely near a level of serving God, then you have that right.

If you want to not be a hypocrite, then you're not allowed to eat anything pleasurable anymore. Nor are you allowed to drink anything that might give you pleasure. You are only allowed to eat and drink what is needed for your existence, as your only purpose on this earth is to serve Him, and you don't need anything else.

This is basically what you're agreeing with. Somehow, I don't see anybody doing this. Ever.

 

[FLANDIDLYANDERS]

Jesus had perfume erotically poured all over his feet by a woman, perfume which, as was pointed pointed out to him, could have been sold and helped the poor. Not to mention having his feet dried by her hair.

Pleasure?

 

[LJSGM]

Jesus had perfume erotically poured all over his feet by a woman, perfume which, as was pointed pointed out to him, could have been sold and helped the poor. Not to mention having his feet dried by her hair.

Pleasure?

I don't think it was pleasure, definitely not sexual pleasure! The perfume that she used is what they often use for burial of the dead I believe and perhaps she didn't realize that in the end, so who knows. But I think the thing that was important was that is was a sign of worship/love (no not romantic love).

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

maybe I'm coming off misunderstood with this. I'm basically trying to explain that our spiritual desires must outweigh our fleshly.

 

[Armistead]

and yes I believe God gave us sexuality for reproduction, not to appease ourselves. Does this mean i am celibate between child-making? No, but I still believe this is God's intention with regards to sexuality.

Sex for reproduction, I guess God goofed by adding the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] to that.

For men and women to even want to mate, there must be a strong force to drive them to each other. That force, created by God is puberty. At puberty, not of your own will you start having sexual thoughts and fantasy. This happens automatically. This is not lust or sin. Sexual desire comes from God. God created them. Having them is not sinful, unless it brings harm.

People will always confuse lust to be sexual desire, it is not. Lust is not even a sexual word. It is an act of greed that can exist in many factors, lust for power, wealth, ect. Sexual lust is the desire to take something that doesn't belong to you or habits that would cause harm.
MB does not harm. I guess if you let it control to the point you couldn't function, then it would be sin.

MB starts at age 2-3, then comes puberty and sexual thought is added to it. It is part of the natural force that helps drive us to a partner. Without it, men and women would not seek each other out.

God created puberty which makes us have sexual thought and desire, then so many want to call it sin.
If that is the case, then God created sin.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Sex for reproduction, I guess God goofed by adding the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] to that.

For men and women to even want to mate, there must be a strong force to drive them to each other. That force, created by God is puberty. At puberty, not of your own will you start having sexual thoughts and fantasy. This happens automatically. This is not lust or sin. Sexual desire comes from God. God created them. Having them is not sinful, unless it brings harm.

People will always confuse lust to be sexual desire, it is not. Lust is not even a sexual word. It is an act of greed that can exist in many factors, lust for power, wealth, ect. Sexual lust is the desire to take something that doesn't belong to you or habits that would cause harm.
MB does not harm. I guess if you let it control to the point you couldn't function, then it would be sin.

MB starts at age 2-3, then comes puberty and sexual thought is added to it. It is part of the natural force that helps drive us to a partner. Without it, men and women would not seek each other out.

God created puberty which makes us have sexual thought and desire, then so many want to call it sin.
If that is the case, then God created sin.

So the question is, when one masturbates do they think of anyone in particular, and if so, is that considered a lustful act?

 

[Gukkor]

So the question is, when one masturbates do they think of anyone in particular, and if so, is that considered a lustful act?

That's getting into fuzzier territory, but I'd say it probably isn't sinful even then, so long as one keeps it in the realm of fantasy where it belongs. Still, it's close enough to the borderline for me that I generally try to avoid thinking about real people in that way. With imaginary people, however, I don't see how it could be harmful.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

maybe I'm coming off misunderstood with this. I'm basically trying to explain that our spiritual desires must outweigh our fleshly.

fine ideal... but God gave us our Earthly bodies and desires too

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

fine ideal... but God gave us our Earthly bodies and desires too

the ways of the world and the ways of God are not one in the same.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

the ways of the world and the ways of God are not one in the same.

Sorry... who created the world?

Arent you the same Biblical literalist who keeps telling me that we are designed utterly by God?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Sorry... who created the world?

Arent you the same Biblical literalist who keeps telling me that we are designed utterly by God?

Um, have you read the bible? Satan is the master of worldly things, this is bible 101.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove, but just because God gives us something does not necessarily mean we are allowed to do as we please with it.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Um, have you read the bible? Satan is the master of worldly things, this is bible 101.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove, but just because God gives us something does not necessarily mean we are allowed to do as we please with it.

Satan is the master of worldy things... does that include our biology...?

That same biology that Biblical Literalists are constantly telling us is so perfectly designed it MUST have been created by God?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Um, have you read the bible? Satan is the master of worldly things, this is bible 101.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove, but just because God gives us something does not necessarily mean we are allowed to do as we please with it.

No, but if God gives us a natural tendency towards something, and that something isn't harmful to anyone else... seems like a fairly direct logic cascade here...

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

No, but if God gives us a natural tendency towards something, and that something isn't harmful to anyone else... seems like a fairly direct logic cascade here...

You are assuming God gives it to you, is there any scientific proof of that either way? If so, then we'll go from there, if not, then guess what I cant find any biblical proof saying that He gives it to us.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You are assuming God gives it to you, is there any scientific proof of that either way? If so, then we'll go from there, if not, then guess what I cant find any biblical proof saying that He gives it to us.

can you find any biblical proof saying he doesn't?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You are assuming God gives it to you, is there any scientific proof of that either way? If so, then we'll go from there, if not, then guess what I cant find any biblical proof saying that He gives it to us.

and as I ask... arent you always telling us how God obviously designed us? ergo... if we have a natural tendency....

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

and as I ask... arent you always telling us how God obviously designed us? ergo... if we have a natural tendency....

Biblically we can see what God's intention is for us. God created man and he created woman for man as a helper. If God intended us to do what we want with who we want then why didn't He say so? Or even make us in a way to where we are compatible with either sex? The only biblical evidence with regards to homosexuality is projecting it in a negative light, so what now?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Biblically we can see what God's intention is for us. God created man and he created woman for man as a helper. If God intended us to do what we want with who we want then why didn't He say so? Or even make us in a way to where we are compatible with either sex? The only biblical evidence with regards to homosexuality is projecting it in a negative light, so what now?

unless... Genesis was "figurative"?

 

[dayhiker]

Biblically we can see what God's intention is for us. God created man and he created woman for man as a helper. If God intended us to do what we want with who we want then why didn't He say so? Or even make us in a way to where we are compatible with either sex? The only biblical evidence with regards to homosexuality is projecting it in a negative light, so what now?

Seems to me this is a platonic form argument. That everything has a purpose and that is the only purpose it should be put to. But we use things for purposes that they weren't designed all the time. For example, I've often used a tool to hammer somthing in when I didn't have a hammer close by. Seems to me if we follow that line of thought, then it would be a sin to use a tool for a purpose it wasn't designed for.

dayhiker

 

[dayhiker]

You are assuming God gives it to you, is there any scientific proof of that either way? If so, then we'll go from there, if not, then guess what I cant find any biblical proof saying that He gives it to us.

The fuzziness fo this arguement to me shows that its not a good arugment and its reaching to say something that isn't there.

as the OPer pointed out, there still hasn't been a scripture or even a good argument to say masturtion is sin.

The good arguement is if one lusts (desire,covet) to take sexually what isn't his then its sin, just as desire to steal someone's wallet would be sin. Otherwise, enjoy masturbation and thank God.

dayhiker