Would you mind clarifying your point then? I still don't understand
Proverbs 6: 16-19
A proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren
I noticed with much displeasure that one of the female worship leaders at Hillsong has shaved her head.
Now to many of you this may seem to be nitpicking and touching on a peripheral issue; but I assure you that it is important to the Lord.
First of all, there is Luke 16:10. He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust (unrighteous) in that which is least is unjust (unrighteous) also in much.
This female worship leader is unjust in that which is least, as we will see that the matter of long and short hair is of importance to the angels and therefore the issue must be observed strictly according to the scriptures lest we be a stumbling block to them.
Therefore to the leadership at Hillsong I ask that she be taken down from ministry until her hair grows back.
Even Samson didn't get his strength back until his hair became a proper length once again to prove that his Nazirite vow was once more in effect.
Now of course when one member of the body suffers, we all suffer as members of the body, so such a disciplinary action is sometihng that we would all feel. But I say that this ought to be done for the sake of the angels.
1 Corintihans 11:10, For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
Now I am saying this with the idea in mind that the normal covering that God considers to be "power on her head" is long hair given to the woman...see 1 Corinthians 11:13-15. But for the sake of propriety in worship, another solution other than waiting for her hair to grow back might be to provide a scarf for her to put over her head during times of public ministry, as is the pracitce of the Amish and certain other groups.
I want to also say that it is alright for Hillsong to televise certain teaching sessions where women are doing the teaching, but that it needs to be clear that there is a male person who is that person's covering. It is written, Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgession. 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
Therefore the woman must be covered spiritually by a male who is over her, who will judge her message before it is given to make sure that it doesn't contain elements of deception within it.
There are lots of scripture that tell us how those in ministry are to behave and conduct themselves...'above reproach' is mentioned. Getting a haircut (buzz cut) that looks transgender in this day and age can send a message that isn't from the Bible. Our conduct is more important than what comes out of the mouth...because our conduct reveals the heart's condition.
Instead of automatically tearing the writer of the OP apart, perhaps a look at the full counsel of scripture is in order...because even the way the writer has been treated speaks volumes contrary to scriptures...automatically pointing the finger and thinking evil of a brother/sister...I think there just might be a few scriptures on that, too.
There is a huge difference in someone newly coming to Christ and someone in MINISTRY. Check what scripture has to say on that matter.Not at all. But I hope a new believer in Indonesia with a high school education doesn't believe she has to put a hat on to pray, and I really hope someone covered in tatoos, piercings, and spiky hair doesn't think they can't accept Jesus Christ and feel loved and worthy until they fit someone else's conservative norms. That's just plain wrong and will drive people away from Christ, when I see no greater purpose in our lives than to lead others TO Christ.
And I happen to be tatt-free and a retired military conservative if you doubt my frame of reference.
Amen!
I have meant no offense - I apologize if I have come off as accusatory - I've just been struggling to understand your position.
I have clarified in the writing preceding the scripture. Someone in ministry is held to standards as layed out in scripture, "above reproach, etc." All things need to be tested for alignment with scripture...including those who enter a public ministry, especially.Would you mind clarifying your point then? I still don't understand
Proverbs 6: 16-19
A proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren
Has she given an explanation as to why she shaved her head?
And does it matter? The Bible is full of admonitions to do this or don't do that:
In the Garden, Adam and Eve were ashamed of their nakedness. Does that mean we are never allowed to be naked?
Leviticus 19:19 forbids us to wear clothing made of two different kinds of material Deuteronomy 22:11 forbids wearing cloth made of wool and linen together. Who among us demands purity of fabric in the clothing we buy and wear today?
Leviticus 19:28 forbids tattoos. Now I don't really like them either but I doubt anybody needs to go to confession just because they have a tattoo. The same passage admonishes priests to not shave their heads or the edges of their beards. Very few Christians or Jews these days require their priests/leaders to even have a beard.
Do any of us still make four tassels on the corners of our coats? Deuteronomy 22:12 says we should.
Isaiah 3:16-25 says no jewelry or accessories for women. That would pretty well trash the world fashion industry because we women couldn't use:
Zephaniah 1:8 admonishes us not to wear foreign attire. I guess that means I should burn my Mexican ruanas and my French sweater given to me by a dear friend.
- their finery:
- the bangles and
- headbands and
- crescent necklaces,
- the earrings and
- bracelets and
- veils,
- the headdresses and
- anklets and
- sashes,
- the perfume bottles and
- charms,
- the signet rings and
- nose rings,
- the fine robes and
- the capes and
- cloaks,
- the purses and
- mirrors, and
- the linen garments and
- tiaras and
- shawls
1 Timothy 2:9 says women should dress modestly, not have braided hair, nor wear gold--dump those wedding bands girls--or pearls or expensive clothing.
1 Peter1:3 backs up Timothy about no braided hair or gold jewelry or wearing braids or fine clothes, but in verse 4 it is more important to have inner beauty. So if we have inner beauty, then can we wear what we want?
I could go on and on and on and on in this vein, but to me it is silly to pick out rules and regs that must be followed and ignore all the others in the bible. I trust that if we love God with all our heart, soul, and mind and treat our neighbor as we want to be treated, I think we're probably going to be okay.
In solidarity with her daughter battling cancer, my friend shaved her head and donated her hair to be made into wigs for cancer patients. I simply can find no fault or evil in that.
And does it matter? The Bible is full of admonitions to do this or don't do that:
In the Garden, Adam and Eve were ashamed of their nakedness. Does that mean we are never allowed to be naked?
Leviticus 19:19 forbids us to wear clothing made of two different kinds of material Deuteronomy 22:11 forbids wearing cloth made of wool and linen together. Who among us demands purity of fabric in the clothing we buy and wear today?
Leviticus 19:28 forbids tattoos. Now I don't really like them either but I doubt anybody needs to go to confession just because they have a tattoo. The same passage admonishes priests to not shave their heads or the edges of their beards. Very few Christians or Jews these days require their priests/leaders to even have a beard.
Do any of us still make four tassels on the corners of our coats? Deuteronomy 22:12 says we should.
Isaiah 3:16-25 says no jewelry or accessories for women. That would pretty well trash the world fashion industry because we women couldn't use:
Zephaniah 1:8 admonishes us not to wear foreign attire. I guess that means I should burn my Mexican ruanas and my French sweater given to me by a dear friend.
- their finery:
- the bangles and
- headbands and
- crescent necklaces,
- the earrings and
- bracelets and
- veils,
- the headdresses and
- anklets and
- sashes,
- the perfume bottles and
- charms,
- the signet rings and
- nose rings,
- the fine robes and
- the capes and
- cloaks,
- the purses and
- mirrors, and
- the linen garments and
- tiaras and
- shawls
1 Timothy 2:9 says women should dress modestly, not have braided hair, nor wear gold--dump those wedding bands girls--or pearls or expensive clothing.
1 Peter1:3 backs up Timothy about no braided hair or gold jewelry or wearing braids or fine clothes, but in verse 4 it is more important to have inner beauty. So if we have inner beauty, then can we wear what we want?
I could go on and on and on and on in this vein, but to me it is silly to pick out rules and regs that must be followed and ignore all the others in the bible. I trust that if we love God with all our heart, soul, and mind and treat our neighbor as we want to be treated, I think we're probably going to be okay.
In solidarity with her daughter battling cancer, my friend shaved her head and donated her hair to be made into wigs for cancer patients. I simply can find no fault or evil in that.
You obviously didn't read my other post. Way to go
Did you read all the posts in this thread?
God bless your friend and her precious daughter (((hug)))
No. That is one of my failings to not read every post in every thread. I pretty well pick up where I come in. I suppose I shouldn't do that, but I know myself well enough to know I probably will. (((hugs))) back.
There are lots of scripture that tell us how those in ministry are to behave and conduct themselves...'above reproach' is mentioned. Getting a haircut (buzz cut) that looks transgender in this day and age can send a message that isn't from the Bible. Our conduct is more important than what comes out of the mouth...because our conduct reveals the heart's condition.
We have a couple of overweight worship leaders at our church, I've never thought about appearances being distracting in a worship leader before but I guess i will have to be distracted by their appearance now that this thread has taught me how important it is to judge them by what they look like. I used to enjoy worship but now I'll only be able to worship if the leaders look a certain way
Did you read all the posts in this thread?
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