Win a debate against evolution every time.

[mathetes123]

So where did the information for making zebra stripes come from?

According to creationists, horses adapted into zebras after they left the ark.

Scripture does not say anything about horses adopting into zebras.

 

[KhaosTheory]

Scripture does not say anything about horses adopting into zebras.

Scripture doesn't say anything about gravity or mars either but we know they exist.

We are talking about science here. Do you not agree with the biblical model of speciation that was presented in this thread?

 

[mathetes123]

Scripture doesn't say anything about gravity or mars either but we know they exist.

We are talking about science here. Do you not agree with the biblical model of speciation that was presented in this thread?

The biblical model is creation, that God created each animal according to it's kind on the 6th day of the six literal days of creation.

 

[KhaosTheory]

The biblical model is creation, that God created each animal according to it's kind on the 6th day of the six literal days of creation.

Yeah I know that. I am asking if you agree with the definition of kind as being a group of animals that can interbreed.

 

[mark kennedy]

LOL...

What exactly do you think evolution is?

Evolution is the change of alleles (traits), so, what is actually evolving depends on what needs to change. Still think a failure of DNA repair can cause an adaptive trait?

 

[KhaosTheory]

Evolution is the change of alleles (traits), so, what is actually evolving depends on what needs to change. Still think a failure of DNA repair can cause an adaptive trait?

I don't think, I know.

Zebra stripes for instance... The latest in creation science tells us that horses adapted stripes after they left the ark.

This is evidenced in the bible since horses and.zebras are the same kind meaning that they interbreed.

So horses begat zebras after their own kind and developed stripes presumably to ward off african horseflies.

Do you not agree with the definition of kind that was posted here earlier?

 

[samaus12345]

The top one is the intentional misrepresentation of the creation model. Middle one is evolutionary phylogenetic tree. Bottom one is created 'kind's speciating and creationist orchard.

http://creation.com/is-the-evolutionary-tree-changing-into-a-creationist-orchard

 

[KhaosTheory]

So again I'll ask, according to that model which presumably shows horses adapting stripes to become zebras, where did the "information" for creating stripes come from?

 

[mark kennedy]

I don't think, I know.

I don't think you know either but enough lame jokes, on with the discussion.

Zebra stripes for instance... The latest in creation science tells us that horses adapted stripes after they left the ark.

You ever hear of this guy named Gregor Mendel? He was into that kind of thing and you know what, Mendelian genetics doesn't require random failures of DNA repair. Tell me why that is Khaos, why is it that Darwinism is wrong at the most basic fundamental level of evolution, how traits are passed from one generation to another?

This is evidenced in the bible since horses and.zebras are the same kind meaning that they interbreed.

Do you believe the wild type still exists? Be careful Khaos, your actually asking an intelligent design question. You could be backsliding into theistic reasoning if you think there is an empirical method for determining the traits and characteristics of the originally created kind.

Word for the day: 'contrivance', that's from the old Paley contrivance concept but enough of natural theology for now. I know you have the intellectual attention span of a fly so I'll just leave it go at that.

So horses begat zebras after their own kind and developed stripes presumably to ward off african horseflies.

To ward off horseflies? That's a new one on me. It does bring us to the biggest failure in the universal common ancestor model, a beneficial effect requires a means to that end. If we are so wrong about all of this why don't you enlighten us as to the molecular mechanism responsible for the horse color trait.

Do you not agree with the definition of kind that was posted here earlier?

Definition of what? You talking in circles in generalities, scientific definitions are marked by a high degree of specificity.

 

[mark kennedy]

The biblical model is creation, that God created each animal according to it's kind on the 6th day of the six literal days of creation.

Yep, and then there was the whole host of animals in the Ark: mammals, reptiles and birds. Ever wonder how many living creatures total emerged?

 

[KhaosTheory]

You ever hear of this guy named Gregor Mendel? He was into that kind of thing and you know what, Mendelian genetics doesn't require random failures of DNA repair. Tell me why that is Khaos, why is it that Darwinism is wrong at the most basic fundamental level of evolution, how traits are passed from one generation to another?

Ok so zebra stripes are NOT a failure of DNA repair? Great now we agree on something. So where did the information for making these stripes come from?

Do you believe the wild type still exists? Be careful Khaos, your actually asking an intelligent design question. You could be backsliding into theistic reasoning if you think there is an empirical method for determining the traits and characteristics of the originally created kind.

I've always thought there should be a clear definition of "kind" but it's hard to get one out of you guys.

Word for the day: 'contrivance', that's from the old Paley contrivance concept but enough of natural theology for now. I know you have the intellectual attention span of a fly so I'll just leave it go at that.

No need for personal attacks.

To ward off horseflies? That's a new one on me.

Yeah it's actually pretty interesting... makes some good sense to me.

Zebra Stripes May Have Evolved To Deter Bloodsucking Insects

It does bring us to the biggest failure in the universal common ancestor model, a beneficial effect requires a means to that end. If we are so wrong about all of this why don't you enlighten us as to the molecular mechanism responsible for the horse color trait.

Why don't you tell me what the mechanism is? You are the one assuming that horses developed stripes after leaving the ark, right?

Well, where did that information come from?

Definition of what? You talking in circles in generalities, scientific definitions are marked by a high degree of specificity.

The definition of "kind" as being "a group of organisms that can interbreed"

Do you agree or not? Your creationist friends seem to be at a consensus about this.

If not, then how do you explain why a horse and a zebra can interbred and a lion and a tiger can interbred but a lion and a zebra can't?

 

[samaus12345]

Khaos Theory The Myth Of Evolution Depends On PeopLe Like You Reading Something Believing It And Respouting It Then Other People Read What You Wrote And It Effects Them They Do The Same And It Goes On Forever And Everyone Goes To Hell ALL IN CAPS

 

[Smidlee]

Yeah it's actually pretty interesting... makes some good sense to me.

Zebra Stripes May Have Evolved To Deter Bloodsucking Insects

Another dumb evolution idea like "man learned to walk upright to see over the grass." Scientist has proven in studies that someone can see over tall grass better if they stand up straight instead of walking on their knuckles. Of course another study has shown that this also allows others (like enemy soldiers) from a distance to see you better as well.

 

[KhaosTheory]

Khaos Theory The Myth Of Evolution Depends On PeopLe Like You Reading Something Believing It And Respouting It Then Other People Read What You Wrote And It Effects Them They Do The Same And It Goes On Forever And Everyone Goes To Hell ALL IN CAPS

 

[KhaosTheory]

Another dumb evolution idea like "man learned to walk upright to see over the grass." Scientist has proven in studies that someone can see over tall grass better if they stand up straight instead of walking on their knuckles. Of course another study has shown that this also allows others (like enemy soldiers) from a distance to see you better as well.

Go jump off a bridge. After all, gravity is "just a theory!"

 

[KhaosTheory]

According to the new "orchard" model of common descent that creationists are now using, horses developed stripes shortly after leaving the ark, right?

Apparently we can't get Mark or Smidlee to agree to this.
Will you please explain it to them Jinx?

 

[Smidlee]

Go jump off a bridge. After all, gravity is "just a theory!"

Jumping off a bridge is easy it's going to the moon is the hard part. In order to go to the moon you need a complex engine.

 

[pgp_protector]

Go jump off a bridge. After all, gravity is "just a theory!"

Relax, don't let them get to you.

 

[jilfe]

This post needs to be reinterated again and again until the TRUTH sinks in

CREATION, is totally OUTSIDE of science and physiss, natural laws.
The science natural laws are after the fact, after creation.

It does not matter how things scientifically or naturally work after CREATION WEEK, the workings discovered NOW are SEPERATE from CREATION WEEK.
What goes on AFTER CREATION WEEK, is outside and seperate of what took place those original 6 days.


I am not making this stuff up it is written in the Bible.
The Holy BIBLE specifically speaks of this truth, anyone can read it for themselves, it is not hidden from anyone who is willing to admit GOD is SUPERNATURAL in HIS workings.

 

[KhaosTheory]

This post needs to be reinterated again and again until the TRUTH sinks in

CREATION, is totally OUTSIDE of science and physiss, natural laws.
The science natural laws are after the fact, after creation.

It does not matter how things scientifically or naturally work after CREATION WEEK, the workings discovered NOW are SEPERATE from CREATION WEEK.
What goes on AFTER CREATION WEEK, is outside and seperate of what took place those original 6 days.


I am not making this stuff up it is written in the Bible.
The Holy BIBLE specifically speaks of this truth, anyone can read it for themselves, it is not hidden from anyone who is willing to admit GOD is SUPERNATURAL in HIS workings.

So after God specially created each and every species in their present form 6000 years ago He then went back and made it look like everything had evolved over billions of years just for a laugh?

He put fossils in the ground and played around with the DNA of every animals to make it look like they all inherited traits that were passed down by numerous generations over the ages?

I guess God is a practical joker, huh?