Win a debate against evolution every time.

[KhaosTheory]

Why can you see the connection between this:

and this:

But you can't see ANY connection between this:

and this:

 

[Smidlee]

So you are getting around the "big boat" problem by assuming that God directly repopulated the earth with animals and plants after the flood?

Why even have a boat then? Doesn't make much sense to me...

Besides, if you are just going to sit there and make stuff up how can we have a meaningful conversation about any observable facts?

I quoted scripture to back up my statement. The reason for the Ark is the same reason for sacrificing a lamb on the altar. The same reason Moses got in trouble when he struck the rock twice instead of speaking to the rock the second time.

Likewise, it's very easy to see how birds came from dinosaurs. They are just "horribly deformed" dinosaurs... That's why they have such short legs...haha!

I figure you would write this which is why I added to the post above. Birds are not dinosaurs with genes turn off. So far man selection hasn't produce a dog with feathers.

There are even some evolutionist who claimed birds evolved into dinosaurs.

 

[KhaosTheory]

I figure you would write this which is why I added to the post above. Birds are not dinosaurs with genes turn off.

No they definitely aren't... That was the point I was trying to make. Neither are dogs just wolves with "genes turned off".

So far man selection hasn't produce a dog with feathers.

Why would it?

Wing-like organs have evolved more that once so obviously they've been beneficial to a wide range of animals but feathers have only developed once that we can tell.

They are so complex that it would be very unlikely that a feather would evolve twice. But we do have some pretty good ideas about how they got started.

Feather - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Evolution of the Wings - YouTube

There are even some evolutionist who claimed birds evolved into dinosaurs.

An avian dinosaur evolved back into a non-avian dinosaur? How it that even possible?

They think that pterosaurs evolved into dinosaurs... but pterosaurs are NOT birds even though they could fly.

I think this is where you are getting confused.

 

[samaus12345]

Why can you see the connection between this:

and this:



But you can't see ANY connection between this:



and this:




Genesis 6 KJV

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

 

[Smidlee]

No they definitely aren't... That was the point I was trying to make. Neither are dogs just wolves with "genes turned off".

Name one characteristic that a dogs has that is not present in wolves.

Why would it?

Wing-like organs have evolved more that once so obviously they've been beneficial to a wide range of animals but feathers have only developed once that we can tell.

They are so complex that it would be very unlikely that a feather would evolve twice. But we do have some pretty good ideas about how they got started.

Feather - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Evolution of the Wings - YouTube




An avian dinosaur evolved back into a non-avian dinosaur? How it that even possible?

Evolution needs eyes to evolve at least 40 different times so what makes feather so different that they couldn't evolve 40 different times?

 

[KhaosTheory]

Name one characteristic that a dogs has that is not present in wolves.

If you can't tell the difference between wolves and dogs then go ask a taxonomist why are some called Canis Lupus and some called Canis familiaris. There's a reason for this distinction, you know.

The "characteristic" that dogs have but wolves do not is "dog DNA". Wolves don't have dog DNA, they have wolf DNA...

If, however, you are looking for completely new and different set of organs or something then no, you'll never find that... That's not how evolution works and we've explained this many times.

Everything is ONLY a slightly modified version of whatever it's parents were... Things don't just sprout new organs like that... They adapt and tweak existing organs into new functions.

For example, swim bladders were converted into lungs NOT magically and instantaneously but by a very long sequence of slight changes through the generations.

Evolution needs eyes to evolve at least 40 different times so what makes feather so different that they couldn't evolve 40 different times?

Which eye are you referring to?

The human eye only evolved once. Where are you getting 40 different times?

Besides, feathers are different and arguably more complex than eyes because almost every creature has some type of photo-sensitive skin pigments that could possible evolve into an eye-like structure whereas feathers are a very specific trait.

The probability that eyes would evolve multiple times is, I think, much higher than the possibility of feathers evolving more than once.

I say this because I believe the ability to see is probably far more advantageous to a greater number of animals than the ability to fly.

I don't know how many times the eye evolved but the feather only evolved down one lineage as far as we can tell from the fossil record.

The eye is a perfect example of Convergent evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[KhaosTheory]

Why can you see the connection between this:

Falsifying Phylogeny - YouTube

 

[samaus12345]

Khaos please see my new thread in origins.

 

[KhaosTheory]

Khaos please see my new thread in origins.

Oh please no more...

Let's finish discussing why you think that comparing manufactured vehicles is similar in any way to biology.

Watch that phylogeny video I posted then tell me again what you think about that comparison.

 

[samaus12345]

I cant discuss origins with someone who doesnt know origin of species OR genesis, again see my other thread, if you do it i will comply to one of yours.

 

[Smidlee]

If you can't tell the difference between wolves and dogs then go ask a taxonomist why are some called Canis Lupus and some called Canis familiaris. There's a reason for this distinction, you know.

The "characteristic" that dogs have but wolves do not is "dog DNA". Wolves don't have dog DNA, they have wolf DNA...

That's not a characteristic since I don't have my mother's DNA (only half comes from my mother).

If, however, you are looking for completely new and different set of organs or something then no, you'll never find that... That's not how evolution works and we've explained this many times.

which is exactly what is required for a land animal to grow wings and fly.

Everything is ONLY a slightly modified version of whatever it's parents were... Things don't just sprout new organs like that... They adapt and tweak existing organs into new functions.

For example, swim bladders were converted into lungs NOT magically and instantaneously but by a very long sequence of slight changes through the generations.

Throughout the centuries of man's selection of wolves/dogs there is no evidence that dogs can evolve any feature that not already present in wolves. You are using make-believe story while I'm using a real life example.

Which eye are you referring to?

The human eye only evolved once. Where are you getting 40 different times?

Dawkins even admit that eyes had to evolve at least 40 times.

Besides, feathers are different and arguably more complex than eyes because almost every creature has some type of photo-sensitive skin pigments that could possible evolve into an eye-like structure whereas feathers are a very specific trait.

The probability that eyes would evolve multiple times is, I think, much higher than the possibility of feathers evolving more than once.

I say this because I believe the ability to see is probably far more advantageous to a greater number of animals than the ability to fly.

I don't know how many times the eye evolved but the feather only evolved down one lineage as far as we can tell from the fossil record.

The eye is a perfect example of Convergent evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's all you got is belief as there is no scientific evidence to support this claim without first assuming ToE is true. Evolutionist admits the eye evolve 40 different times has absolutely nothing to do with probability but the fact it's the only way to make the data fit the evolution dogma.
Where is your evidence of the eye evolving 40 times because of co-evolution? All that co-evolution proves is Darwin's tree is a myth.

 

[jilfe]

　
　
OK,

Do you really want to PROVE evolution CAN work.

Here is a perfect example, challenge, I challenge you to PROVE that a car and an airplane can be made from a modern day ship.

You have at your disposal every modern technowledgy and resources to TRY to make a land traveling vehicle,and a flying machine, from a sea going vessel..

Use any process you like but it all must come from materials already present on the ship itsdelf.

See if you can do this, prove it can be done.
　

 

[KhaosTheory]

That's not a characteristic since I don't have my mother's DNA (only half comes from my mother).

Exactly! Now you are getting it!

Nothing ever had a "characteristic" that was completely different from what it's parents had.

...which is exactly what is required for a land animal to grow wings and fly.

No, what's required for a land animal to grow wings and fly are slight variations compounded over time by natural selection.

There are many of these Feathered dinosaur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and they "grow" wings as nature gradually selects for longer and longer feathered limbs until we get a modern wing.

Throughout the centuries of man's selection of wolves/dogs there is no evidence that dogs can evolve any feature that not already present in wolves. You are using make-believe story while I'm using a real life example.

Why would you expect a dog to have noticeably different organs or "features" than a wolf? Their DNA is so similar and their divergence was so recent.

I still don't even understand what you mean by "feature" anyway. A chihuahua definitely has different "features" than a wolf according to my definition of features... But apparently you don't see a distinction.

I'll say this one last time:

NOTHING WILL EVER HAVE A FEATURE THAT IS NOT JUST AN ADAPTED VERSION OF WHATEVER IT'S ANCESTOR HAD!!!

Dawkins even admit that eyes had to evolve at least 40 times.

Sure if you are talking about eyes in general. Yeah that's a great example of convergent evolution.

I explained to you exactly why it makes perfect sense that eyes would evolve multiple time.

That's all you got is belief as there is no scientific evidence to support this claim without first assuming ToE is true. Evolutionist admits the eye evolve 40 different times has absolutely nothing to do with probability but the fact it's the only way to make the data fit the evolution dogma.

Haha... I just explained this to you. Are you not paying attention?

Do you not agree that the ability to see would PROBABLY be more beneficial to a wider number of animals than the ability to fly?

This is common sense... and I said "I believe" because that it what honest people say.

Were you there to see EXACTLY which forces of natural caused eyes to be selected? No. We just have the fossil record showing us that they did indeed evolve multiple times.

I'm just speculating as to the CAUSE of this convergent evolution... The FACT that it happened, however, isn't up for debate.

Where is your evidence of the eye evolving 40 times because of co-evolution?

In the ground. And it's not co-evolution, it's CONVERGENT evolution... very different things.

If this doesn't make sense to you then I don't know what else to say.

 

[KhaosTheory]

　
　
OK,

Do you really want to PROVE evolution CAN work.

Here is a perfect example, challenge, I challenge you to PROVE that a car and an airplane can be made from a modern day ship.

You have at your disposal every modern technowledgy and resources to TRY to make a land traveling vehicle,and a flying machine, from a sea going vessel..

Use any process you like but it all must come from materials already present on the ship itsdelf.

See if you can do this, prove it can be done.
　

Well, since that analogy is not how evolution works at all and a complete strawman I don't think I can answer that.

I can PROVE evolution works a lot easier than that.

When you are born, you look a little bit like you parents but you've also mutated a little bit.

There. That's it. If you don't understand how this simple process is the same way that dinosaurs turned into birds then you just don't understand biology.

11th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism - YouTube

 

[mathetes123]

Well, since that analogy is not how evolution works at all and a complete strawman I don't think I can answer that.

I can PROVE evolution works a lot easier than that.

When you are born, you look a little bit like you parents but you've also mutated a little bit.

There. That's it. If you don't understand how this simple process is the same way that dinosaurs turned into birds then you just don't understand biology.

11th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism - YouTube

That's genetics, not evolution .

 

[KhaosTheory]

That's genetics, not evolution .

LOL...

What exactly do you think evolution is?

 

[KhaosTheory]

Where did the "information" for making zebra stripes come from?

Apparently horses evolved into zebras after they left Noah's ark according to creationists.

But I thought this was impossible! You can't add new "information", right?

 

[jilfe]

That is a challenge that any evolutionists will avoid, because just because it works does not mean that's the way it comes about.

That is a perfect example of the theory of evolution, something entirely different from the materials taken from another object.

A car and an airplane can be made from a ship, given using the proper processes, but that does NOT mean ALL cars and airplanes ORIGINATE from modern day ships.
Just because it can be scientifically proven to work, does NOT mean it was done that way.

Evolutionary changes ONLY can be observed in the present, AFTER and ONLY AFTER, the SUPERNATURAL CREATION ACTIVITIES of GOD., just as cars and planes can be made from a ships material, BUT they can ALSO be made SEPERATE from the ship itself.

It does not matter how things work after CREATION WEEK, thae workings discovered NOW are SEPERATE from CREATION WEEK.
What goes on AFTER CREATION WEEK, is outsideand seperate of what took place those original 6 days.

The Holy BIBLE specifically speaks of this truth, anyone can read it for themselves, it is not hidden from anyone who is willing to admit GOD is SUPERNATURAL in HIS workings.

 

[mathetes123]

LOL...

What exactly do you think evolution is?

Genetics is the mixing of an existing pool of information. Evolution involved adding information to the mix. Observation tells us that information only comes from intelligent sources.

 

[KhaosTheory]

Genetics is the mixing of an existing pool of information. Evolution involved adding information to the mix. Observation tells us that information only comes from intelligent sources.

So where did the information for making zebra stripes come from?

According to creationists, horses adapted into zebras after they left the ark.