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Will Jesus find Faith when he returns?

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he-man, Did you read my earlier posts? When I said Chinese, I have already been posting on about the Christian Chinese. I assumed that people were following my earlier posts. Sorry to not say Chinese Christians.
The very part of knowing that you have obeyed Jesus and have his love within you, is to show respect to others and especially to those who believe, obey and follow Jesus Christ. I am finding instead that many try to reconvert, criticize and condemn others. What a pity that they don't know their Lord.
:amen: Do you want a white vesture for the Book of Life? Ps 16:5 Lord, you alone are my portion and my cup; you make my lot secure.

lot: that which is assigned by lot; κληρος; λαγχάνω or the Hebrew גּרל gôrâl properly a pebble, that is, a lot; figuratively a portion or destiny (as if determined by lot) a pebble 1. in the ancient courts of justice the accused were condemned by black pebbles and the acquitted by white; a verdict (of acquittal) or ticket (of admission);

Ps 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Joh 19:24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.
 
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My water fast is now 14 days. Tomorrow is my second mile stone of this long fast. I always thought of this fast as a health fast, but this morning the dishes almost never got clean (huge pile though) for I had Don & Wendy Francisco playing on the big TV through youtube. I stopped many times to listen to their testimonies and intense songs. Needless to say, they brought me tears as I sat in front of the TV. I started to realize something about my search here on this thread.

Many Christians find a sort of primitive faith (including something like eventual reconciliation) which is able to be independent of the norms of the local theologies & doctrinal beliefs around them, so they bear fruit as God would have them. This fruit involves an abundance of love and humility with the gift of the vision of our God as love with his son's gift to us. This seems to be the case in other areas of effective ministry. The Bible has in it (even if man wasn't so perfect in keeping it) the Spirit of God, just like real Christians have in them this Spirit also. This makes it Holy, but not in the sense of ink & paper, but in the sense of its value before God. Perfection comes within the weakness of man by the grace of God. This may explain how in China back in 1950's a bold, brave and leadership-voided church could arise from its martyrs and a few treasured Bibles. Now, it is the most dynamic church (all of it, obeying Jesus Christ and love one another completely as one) of perhaps 200 million Chinese Christians. We need to pay attention to them, it would help to bridge the gap and study a little Chinese. The Holy Spirit has given them a vision to go down Marco Polo's silk road back west and preach the Word. They are studying the languages & cultures that they need to do this. What kind of courage are we speaking of? Arabs & Muslims (and no telling how many others) that they have to face are going to be told from the East, not their hated West, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That will be a shock for Islam, so will their disappointment in that they can not persecute these Chinese Christian believers away, for they have the primitive faith within them commanded by God to go preach the Word. Fantastic!

We are in a most interesting part of our Christian History. If you want to explore Martyrdom and spreading the word in modern times, I advise you to check out:

The Voice of the Martyrs

I believe it is still a sincere Christian organization. It has become worldwide and has other graphs of itself across the world. I have been shocked by their literature & books about what is going on within Christianity recently on a Global scale. You can become educated, if you dare, about what the courage and faith is in spreading the Gospel. It seems to put us to shame when we realize how much others have to endure, and come out praising God, forgiving their persecutors and beaming with love and hope. Other words, they have the primitive faith, because they obey Jesus throughout their hearts & souls, and live his commandments always.
 
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I can see that this fast is affecting my writing. My postings here need to be cleared up some. It is difficult to read and understand some of them. I hope God allows their message to be heard.

My health is improving a lot. Yet, for now, I am always weak, tired and a bit dizzy. This makes my writing at times considerably hard. If I edit yesterday's or some other of my older posts, it may help clear things up a lot, but this would be a little too late since they have already be read.

I am thinking that God uses songs and praise (yes JWs, emotional things) to praise him and bring unity, strength, edification and messages to his family. Several great Christian singers I have known, some asleep now, but one is still around, Don Francisco, have really helped the common churches of the Earth to know more of the Will of God and Jesus' Gospel.

Each church goes left and right of each other, and some don't even associate with any other heathen (so called false lost brethren) or their devil churches (JWs). I feel sadden for those who can't even obey Jesus, because of their church doctrines (paramount to following the Will of God which is to obey His son Jesus: "to be known by your love for one another" which is all of those who profess Jesus and obey and follow him. Instead, all churches are lumped up and are said to follow the norm of Christendom which doesn't obey Jesus. How wrong! The norm of Christendom is a pile of tares choking it. We are called to love and care for those trying to obey and follow Jesus, not separate ourselves from each other. Creating a second Jewish replacement (People of God) is not what the Gospel is all about. Reconverting Christians away from their convictions of accepting Christ and God, is really not a good idea, at least Paul thought is wasn't. The lost are not disobedient Christians. Yet disobedient Christians do need to be helped. The Gospel is to be preached to the lost and our brethren are to be helped and loved, not calling their churches and themselves lost and of the Devil. What is the Truth? It is the message of love and sense. Too simple? Think about the letters of the apostles, always concerned about the core article of our faith to care, to love, to have compassion, to be humble, to give, to go the extra mile, to endure, ......... even to obey Jesus and to tell of the Gospel (of love) to all. Yes the core of God and his Gospel, and for that matter Jesus, is the article of love (& sensibility). You want to know a Christian, see if you step on his religion (as a test) and then if he obeys Jesus and the Gospel (will of God)? See if he still loves you? If he becomes a monster, better just run! If he becomes upset, try to comfort him. If he just loves you and listens, then he is a mature Christian and brother in Christ. Throw your religious ways away and take up the yoke of Jesus, love all and become a servant of the most high. Christianity isn't about religion, but it is as plain as it can be, just being in a loving family of God, even promised to be this way with the Gospel itself. It is not the caste or tier system of JWs. Their are rulers, but they are as Jesus to be our servants, as Jesus told us, we should believe him! Our minds aren't listening to Jesus! That may be why I feel the Bible is tare laden. It is so easy to go off track from Jesus' pathway, "down the straight and narrow". Why isn't the Bible a better tool to help us? We have Jesus, we should hold on to him and compare everything else with him and his commands and teachings, yet we must follow him alone, not even anything that is not the same as he, even when it is coming from the Bible. This is why I say leave Trinity alone. It confuses how we are to understand the Will of God. The Will of God starts with Jesus and ends with Jesus, not any other part. If we are caught dead with only obeying Jesus' commands and teachings alone, how are we with the Will of God? Perfect and you know it! Follow Christ alone and you have both the Will of God and our primitive faith! What are the tares around, the Christian Chinese have very few. They just have their Bibles and faith in Jesus? The tares around us are everywhere & everything that isn't with will of God which is his son Christ Jesus. Jesus is your light, pathway, hope, great joy and absolute salvation alone! Don't bother with those pesky tares, stay with Christ and the Holy Spirit within you will guide you home. Love everyone here.
 
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So you have had nothing but water to drink for 14 days?
When did the headaches and food craving stop, what day?
Interesting. You do this to improve health and increase spiritual vision I guess.

Yes, I drink only water, and try to make sure that I drink enough, sip some every once an awhile. Actually from my records, it was day 5 and not day 4. The rough period was day 5 to day 9(the worst day). After day 9, it was wonderful. It is done for health. My faith is helped some and I am thankful of God. Our real health is to do the will of God. It is hard to do with an unhealthy body, for we are bothered by our burden on others, yet we can still obey Jesus and shine.

We are told to fast and pray, yet not to do this openly. I have to admit that I don't fast and pray. I fast for my health, yet in a sense, I am receiving the benefit spiritually for doing without the world for awhile. It seems pleasant to cook, clean and serve others to the fullest and not to yourself. I take pleasure in them really enjoying their home cooked meals. My family seems puzzled by my concern and service to them while doing without, knowing that I am serving them the very meals that I really have enjoyed. I would say that this is an education for me about service to others and a brief separation from the world. My oldest sister told me that she fasted every Monday. She is so pleasant to be around and firm joyful follower of Jesus. I would say that her fasting is very helpful for her faith. If a woman was to fast for one day, it would be fairly easy to do, but to fast like a man could for 3 days would be difficult because of the way that God designed our bodies (see paragraph below). I would think that the spiritual benefits of fasting would be to obey God and fast and pray through the commands & teachings of Jesus. Obedience is paramount to all other things. Jesus gave us a pathway to great joy and full life, only adding to our souls. This world only keeps us alive till the real one. We ought to obey Christ and not waste our time here. Yes, fasting is very healthy for our spiritual growth. That may explain why it helps our physical as well.

Ketosis for men (women is 1.5 days) starts in 3 days. That is to say the body has enough energy reserves (liver) to last that long, then when the body runs out of this stored energy source, it latches on to muscle tissue to dissolve them (for muscle is an excellent and easy to obtain source of energy), then the brain recognizes the need for energy because of this conversion of muscle tissue and starts a process that is called ketosis to convert everything in the body that can give us energy, especially fat, plague and other tissues that aren't essential like our muscle tissues can be. That is why our blood vessel walls become free of plague and our blood pressure falls all the way to normal again, which is permanent. This process allows a full clean up and natural rebooting of the human body. Many parts of the body are healed. Yet cancer is pervasive and may actually be unfortunately benefited, instead of destroyed. However, healthy cells are cleaned up, removing many dangerous contaminates in their fatty outer cell membrane layer which might have the possibility of leading to cancer, because it is located so close to the cell's nucleus where the Chromosomes are located (the actual starting point of cancers)).

Water fasting was the medicine for health for thousands of years, until the pill pushing process that we have today came about, which allow us to not have to suffer, or ever get healed! The problem is that pill pushing increases dramatically over the years until the combined toxins in them alone can and does kill us. So much healing procrastination and being ignorant about our health. Nutrition starts with whole foods and stays there, period! Manufactured vitamins are dangerous, for they only mimic what God perfectly designed for our bodies. They can attribute toward cancer (a proven fact by many research experiments). Whole foods are loaded with what we need and is right from the Maker, our Father. I love God!

What are whole foods? Think about the garden of Eden and you are thinking correctly. Whole foods that are beneficial are plant based, not the meats. However, we need the natural vitamin B12, which is abundant in meats, but missing in commercial produce (on account of pesticides etc.). Organic produce may have sufficient quantities of B12 due to no pesticides being used and thus not killing the beneficial bacteria on the plant's leaves, fruits and stems (don't over wash, just use a little water to remove the dirt on organic plant based whole foods). If you don't think that you get enough of this vitamin, then by all means enjoy a great baked or grilled fish (other meats are ok, just keep them 12 oz. per week to get your B12 requirements met (beef, chicken, whatever, keep it low on the more notorious ones; pork, lobster, shrimp, etc.). The healthiest of plant based foods are the leafy greens with Kale as best, then there are spinach, collards, turnip greens, cabbage, ......, just keep this in mind to eat a handful of raw nuts to release the full nutrition from these greens (nuts help to release up to 1000% more nutrition (the antioxidants in all greens)). All plant based foods are loaded with nutrition and the beloved antioxidants that God gave us. There is no reason for cancer in the Garden of Eden, for if you stay within it, in almost all of your eating, you are too strong for cancer to mess with, except for the influences from our more extreme environmental pollutants. Certain combinations of foods like onions and mushrooms are excellent in preventing cancers. Salads with lite dressings and cooked greens should be the main stay of a plant based whole food diet (a handful of raw nuts should be eaten with each). Processed foods are just too nutrition deficient to be considered whole foods. In manufacturing them, there is very little nutrients left. I tell my oldest son that one might as well eat poop, since it might have more value than what is left in a most of our processed foods; very sad.

A short water fast is beneficial. A longer 11 day fast cures high blood pressure and a few other things (my hemorrhoids for one). A longer still 25 to ? days would basically reboot the whole body and cure about anything within it, except cancer or such things as number 1 diabetes. A water fast is superior to other types of fast, because it starts up ketosis. Ketosis is activated by the lack of sugar in the body.

First world nations are very much hooked (yes addicted) to what is commonly referred to as the Standard American Diet (SAD). Everything and everywhere is the SAD deficient diet that causes starvation within our cells of the nutrients that they need to survive. What a shame! Go back to God's garden! Grow one in the back yard. Enjoy.

An excellent and reliable book to read is Dr. Joel Fuhrman's, "Eat to Live" and his Fasting book that he wrote in 1995. He has written many new books lately, all are good to read. His daughter is also writing some. He is a wonderful doctor. I think that God would be proud of him. Jesus wouldn't include him in those cursed doctors that he spoke of in his ministry.

Love you sister.

PS: It is extremely important to see your doctor before attempting any fast longer than 1.5 days for women or 3 days for men. I am not on medications and can not afford a doctor, so I research constantly to know what I am doing and what to expect, especially if trouble should come during a water fast.
 
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Talking about primitive faith, this year 200 million Christians from many different nations are under Nero, emperor of Rome, style persecutions, which means our modern day persecutions have well exceeded the days of the Roman Empire. Take a good look at this news report, please:

The War on Christians: Persecution Hits Record Levels - John Stonestreet

My son just got up, will post more later on this topic. This is a horrific chilly thing going one today and it was only last year 2014. All indications are that it has just begun, 2015 is going to be much worst. We better fast and pray for our brothers and sisters over there, actually everywhere around us. Please take this news to heart. They are in the original primitive faith and soon many will come before Jesus to receive their white robes. They do need our prayers.
 
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I will try to post some shortly. My water fast has again turned a little difficult. I lost my energy and better feeling. At times like this, I just want to call quits, but think of my family and my health problems which seem to burden them. We'll see. I don't have to make it to my target of 25 days. I was just trying to accomplish the target of Dr. Fuhrman for his patients that he supervises their fasting. I am sure that what is done has accomplished enough for me to get the rest done on my own with proper nutrition and lifestyle (sleep, exercise & low stress (and worship of God through Jesus)).

I hope people read some of the article that I posted. This isn't a surprise to me, since I keep up with these things, but I am sure to others it is simply shocking and to think that the churches don't even seem to care or pray for their brethren. If you don't believe they are your brethren, at least pray for their faith to be strong in Christ. If you don't believe they are your brethren, at least pray for them in their love of God through Jesus. If you don't believe that they are your brethren, at least pray for yourself because you can't love them as you should! I will never understand how someone can claim Jesus and their Father, but can't even obey the simple command of love. There is no one that you are not to love, for Jesus commanded us to even love our enemies. Don't be insufficient in this area! If you want Jesus to know you for your faith in him, then be sure that you have it first. This is found only one way. It is in obeying him!

Faith will always be around, but it could get worst in its quality. If Jesus comes back in a more distant future when all the rough areas of our history are smoothed out and man solves most of his problems. Faith may be of very poor quality, and he would have to search over millions of Christians to find his people. That would be a shame.

Love everyone here.
 
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Recently during my water fast, I have been having symptoms that don't make much sense for over 24 hours. There is a point when endurance and common sense collide. Since I haven't doctor supervision, I have to go for safety and break the water fast. Fasting and praying for a very short duration is for God and our love for others. This was a health fast, but it has run its course, I am constantly weak, nauseous, upset stomach and sleepless, the other symptoms aren't really easy to describe, but enough is enough. It has accomplish major changes in my health for the better.

I want every post here to be about our faith. Forgive me, if I am side track some by speaking about my fasting, yet fasting and prayer is really essential for the primitive faith, yes because we were asked to. Love everyone here.
 
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he-man, Love you!
Thanks, right back at you!Jer 31:6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has become a defense to all certain men. 12 Teaching us to deny ungodliness and worldly desire, and to live with a sound mind, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of the great God, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us that he might ransom us from all wickedness and to cleanse for himself a peculiar people, eager to do good works.

Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
 
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It would be a nice time to make up a summary of what I seem to believe here in my quest of the faith that Jesus would recognize when he comes back to the Earth.

The Faith would be united as that of the Undergrounds churches of China and even the state sponsored one, all as one people with one beautiful hymnal book, though they are being persecuted by their government.

The Faith would be enduring as that of the extreme persecution of North Korea, in which last year alone 70,000 Christians entered into what are known as death prisons, especially for all Christians there.

The Faith would be bold as are all whom seek to spread the Word, even within hostile areas like Islamic nations.

The Faith would be loving, forgiving and caring as is with the worst sinners who come to know the mercy of God to be forgiven by Him through his son, Jesus, of their terrible wrongs. Such ones easily forgive the worst trespasses against themselves, with only their great love and care in return.

The Faith is believed and obeyed, because those who have it are truly born-again and thus the Will of God has been written in their Hearts with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is by Christ that Faith is made and by him that it lives within those of His.

To finish with, I have copied / pasted below what I just posted in a different forum that seems to help our topic here:

In no way is the bible diminished by the ways of man. That is the reason, that even those who have altered it in very small ways, even such ways as mistranslating it correctly, does not change its affect on people. Divisions within Christianity occur when you hear men say "the infallible word of God" within two opposing camps, yet neither seems to be listening to their own Bibles, especially to Jesus; this is sad. Christian separations are upheld by their premises on the infallibility of the Bible, when they don't even give credit to the Spirit within man's ink and paper that has the power to give full understanding, if just one would listen to Jesus & God within it. They are so attracted to what isn't so, that they miss the whole point of what is, it contains the Spirit of the Almighty and the Word, Jesus. Man can not subdue the power of the Spirit within that book of paper and ink by using his premises to create schisms; against the will of God. God is infallible, paper and ink will just turn to dust from which it came.

source: http://www.jesuschristians.com/foru...aith-of-jesus-chosen-disciples?start=10#43975




What is effective Faith for Christ is so simple: "Those who love me will obey my commands," spoken by him.

And that leads us to what are the commands of Christ? Even the JWs would agree to this listing below, though they and all others denominations have added their own to his,(Jesus plus theirs). Real Faith is Jesus first and alone.


A small partial listing of Jesus':


The question Jesus will ask when he sees us in judgment is but one, did we obey him?

Did you do the will of our Father in Heaven?
Did we love our enemies?
Were we known by our love for one another?
Did we turn the other cheek or walk the extra mile?
Did we visit the sick and those in prison, especially the least ones?
Did we give to those who asked, and not ask for it back again?(like I didn't do to the needy person at Food Lion's parking lot weeks ago, give something to him, and thus I was deeply sad that I failed Jesus in this).
Did we help the poor, the homeless, the widow, those in need?
Give a full measure?
Do not let your left hand know what your right is giving (as in alms to God).
Pray quietly in the intermost closet your prayers to God.
Let your yes be yes and no be no, do not swear...
Jesus was telling us to be moral, yet loving and kind to all, and to our enemies as well.
To not live for riches.
To not live by the sword.
To love one another as I have loved you.
To be known by your love for one another.
Do not resist evil.
To share your hope to those who ask about it.
(to the question of which of the Jewish commandments were necessary for salvation, Jesus gave us five (or six) of the Ten Commandments).
Be prepared for persecutions and endure them till the end, do not deny the Faith.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you (love them).
Love the Lord you God with all of your mind, heart and soul.
Follow the straight and narrow road that leads to life (follow Jesus Christ).
Do not worry about food and clothing, for God loves you and will supply your needs, as he does to the sparrows or lilies of the valley.
God desires mercy and not sacrifice.
Forgive others of there trespasses against you.
Love you enemies...do good to those who despise you...
Seek a lower place, to be humble and accepting to God, not the higher places of honor.
Forgive 7 times 70 times (70 times 70, or always forgive, I would!) your brother (or neighbor whoever they are).
Ask of your Father in Heaven and he will give to you (being that it is in the will of God what you ask for and that you ask out of your love for God (and others))
Heal the sick and preach the Good News.
Baptize new believing followers of Christ in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

This is only a partial list of God's Will. Do you really understand Jesus' Commands? What will you be able to tell him, you know that you can not lie to the Truth?


Have a most wonderful day in the Lord everyone here! Praise our God and Father in Jesus Christ, his son!
 
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There is still one thing left to tie into the real faith, our primitive faith. It is the judgment of God on his day of Wrath (Day of Justice). What is it? In the early faith, their was little mention or importance given to it, but to be saved of it, but today, in our poor quality faith circles, it is of major concern wanting full disclosure.

If our real faith is composed of obeying the commands of Christ within his ministry and Gospel, which is the Will of his Father in Heaven, then would not even the judgment given out be also following the Will of his Father? Jesus died for his Dad's Will, should not we live for it as well? His Dad's Will was for his son to be the atonement for all of the world's sins, so all could be saved. Our highest understanding and human intelligence should be filled with this the Will of God, and yes, you guessed it: We should be obeying His Will and announce not judgment (which is our Father's position & authority), but instead that Jesus is the lamb of God, to tell others "to come and be saved, all from God's Day of Wrath!" Instead, we are being lazy and disobedient to Christ (not obeying him or listening), we become busy-bodies ourselves to demand to know and force others into knowledge that was never meant to be ours in the first place. As Children of God, we should know, the most that we can is to love God and love our neighbor, and thus, not busy-bodies, but filled with the Holy Spirit and proclaiming the salvation of God, which is his son, the sacrificial atonement Lamb from our Father to provide salvation for all who accept this and follow him. This is where we politely and honestly should stop and to not proclaim one being saved and another being sent to Hell for whatever reason for however it would be in such a place. That is left up to God and his judgement is perfect, yet His Will will even obey his own heart and is far removed from our ability in comprehension to really know Him. Here is where it is better to obey & trust our Lord Jesus who does know his Dad and His Will.

Let's get to work, for it is for God and His Son, Jesus Christ. We answer to him if we want him to come and dwell with us as being one in fellowship. Errors, tares, weeds and name-callings, springing forth from the arrogance of the disobedient ones, whom can not touch the Spirit within the Bible or God's children, nor can the horrific persecutions of the past, present & future; for we belong to Jesus and he will not ever let us go, in that we follow and obey Him alone. Praise to our Father above, praise to our Lord Jesus Christ, amen!

So, how does eventual reconciliation stand within the primitive faith? We can politely say, but not demand, that it is the Will of our Father in Heaven. "That none would be lost, but all would be saved" then quietly go about his work, PRAISE JEHOVAH, PRAISE GOD, PRAISE HIS SON, OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!

Remember, we were told to live a quiet life, obeying Jesus, having the Will of our beloved Father written upon our hearts, being born again, never to die. Our first part is be obedient through Christ to our Father. Love everyone here.
 
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It seems that conclusions have been made and a full circle has occurred (an understanding of God's Will).

God's patience, will it hold long enough to not permanently separate lost souls from Him and defeat His Will that all would be saved, or is He going to hand us the ball to let us carry out his Will in Himself to eventually reconcile all through his son's sacrifice and atonement? I don't think there will be anyone saved that doesn't have His Will written within their souls (that none would be lost, but all saved).

Any wanting condemnation on others, will not be with him. They must be born again through Christ, or they stay out, period. This could be terrible for many supporting permanent separation of lost souls from God, and even desiring it!

It is Jesus that we obey, and not theologians (whom appear as magicians to prove their supreme knowledge of the scriptures). Jesus tells us to be like children to enter in (obeying him and innocent with child like faith, not covered and filled with the arrogance of knowledge that isn't ours to begin with). We will be taught all things when we get there, that is enough, let us obey Jesus alone.
 
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Remember that there is but one middle man to our faith between us and our Father and that is Jesus.

Remember also that our faith is made complete (Jesus said this) by being born again and his sent helper "the Holy Spirit" living and teaching within us forever. All we need to do is be together as one following Him and obeying Him, even as little as just two of His.

We establish the church, as small as two people with Christ, by following and obeying Him alone. So beautiful and simple is our faith.
 
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Any wanting condemnation on others, will not be with him. They must be born again through Christ, or they stay out, period. This could be terrible for many supporting permanent separation of lost souls from God, and even desiring it!
Sorry, but you will have to pay the eternal punishment of extinction if you refuse to obey Him. Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Eze 5:11 Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also remove thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.

Eze 9:10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head." And Jesus said, "What you sow is what you reap."

Job 11:10 If he cut off, and shut up, or gather together, then who can hinder him?

Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
 
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Jesus teaches us, so we should listen. He accepts those who have obeyed and do what he has asked.

Who is it that have heard Jesus and done what it is that he asks of us? He ask us to forgive and love. They that can, will enter into his rest. Those who dance in revenge that isn't theirs and violence that Jesus never taught, should repent and humble themselves before their Father.

Christians don't belong to the Bible or Bible toting theological camps. If they belong to Jesus, then they will know him and follow & obey him alone (for his authority is above all, he is their Shepard). Simplicity of obeying and following him alone, is a must for believers, there is no other way. Maybe that is why Christians are so full of love & forgiveness that their mere appearance shines light in darken places around. Maybe, eventual reconciliation comes from the glow of their souls. Praise God alone through his son.
 
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Jesus teaches us, so we should listen. He accepts those who have obeyed and do what he has asked. Those who dance in revenge that isn't theirs and violence that Jesus never taught, should repent and humble themselves before their Father.
Yes, vengeance belongs to God and He will execute it. Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power;
Simplicity of obeying and following him alone, is a must for believers, Maybe, eventual reconciliation comes from the glow of their souls. Praise God alone through his son.
No, in the Glory of God the GLOW comes from Him,
As John says, Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

Which He may bestow upon us if we are obedient and do not try to alter His words to a vain misuse of what mercy and reconciliation really means.
Sorry, but you will have to pay the eternal punishment of extinction if you refuse to obey Him. Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
 
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Which He may bestow upon us if we are obedient and do not try to alter His words to a vain misuse of what mercy and reconciliation really means.[/B] Sorry, but you will have to pay the eternal punishment of extinction if you refuse to obey Him. Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

Why do you and others around the world use the Bible to create your own religion from the one faith of following and obeying Jesus the son of man, a human man? Jesus says that only the son knows the Father. We had better listen to him. If you think that I or the millions today and yesterday will bow down to your created God from the Bible then you are just fooling yourself. The freedom of Christ is given to those who dare to not bow down to the idols of foolishness and cowardliness, please follow Him, our Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible seems awkward when people try to establish themselves from it. Please use it to find Jesus and stay with him alone, why is it so hard to be brave and follow Jesus alone? Jesus gives us many hints to the entrapments laid out in the World, even within the very paper and ink that he is written about, our own Bibles. Take courage he-man, don't threaten others with your own fears or curse them for their courage of the beautiful son of God, our Lord Jesus, the son of man, a human man. Please examine the mind of God through Jesus and find the courage to hear him and step with him. Praise God!
 
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He-man,

In anger, I was dealing you a harsher blow than what I wrote above, but remembering the words of Christ and his command to love each other, I turned the tone some. We are all wrapped up by the tares (weeds) around us. We have got to be Jesus' alone. I love you brother. Somehow and in some way, we are there for each other, for we follow Jesus.

I know that what I post is hard to accept or understand. Don't be frighten to stand upon our Lord Jesus alone. He has promised to be with us forever. There is a great confusion within Christianity that shouldn't be this way. The best bet that we have is to just think that only Jesus knows his Dad, not the average theologian bloke down the road. Hey, we cannnnnnnn cannnn cann can follow Jesus, alone! You know that you can't, or others can't threaten me with your heretic accusations. In the old days, they backed those words with burning at the stake. What on Earth would the united and loving Chinese Christians think, if we returned to such evil ways today?

I believe that I want to meet these new Christians. We'd better learn a little Chinese, it would be helpful spiritually for us, our brothers in Christ.
 
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