Wicca - Good or Evil

[Peguero]

Brethen why would GOD our GOD which gave his only begotten son to save us "all" make a place where we are tormented forever? GOD IS LOVE brethen.

 

[Heathen Dawn]

Brethen why would GOD our GOD which gave his only begotten son to save us "all" make a place where we are tormented forever? GOD IS LOVE brethen.

So it seems how it should be. But there is nothing that enrages fundamentalist Christians more than the idea that God should be merciful to people after their death, that the fires of hell should ever be extinguished. They want God as cruel as possible.

 

[SquareC]

Um, This was a resonse to a sarcastic attack on Lifesaver's beliefs.


Have you read the whole thread? All the threads on Paganism? Most of them start like this : "Pagan religion x is a true religion".
That is an all out attack on Christianity and is calling Christ a liar. Yet you guys want us to be tolerant of you.

If I were to go to a pagan oriented board and open a thread with "Paganism is utterly false" do you think I would get hugged?

Have you read ANY of these threads? Most are started BY CHRISTIANS telling Pagans they are wrong/evil/deceived and going to Hell. Then we respond by stating our beliefs. Then we are told AGAIN based on a book WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN that we are wrong/evil/decieved. And there has yet to be another justification that I've seen other than the Bible. I've read about 50 or so of these threads over the last year and some I've been a member here. They all go over the same territory over and over ad nauseum. I'm done. If people wish to be ignorant and condemning, so be it. I'm out of here.

 

[God_of_Mercy]

So it seems how it should be. But there is nothing that enrages fundamentalist Christians more than the idea that God should be merciful to people after their death, that the fires of hell should ever be extinguished. They want God as cruel as possible.

You really dont get it do you?

 

[Starcrystal]

Lifesaver,
You should know that the only kind of spiritual creatures is angels. They can be good or evil (we call them demons, then).

If the spiritual being does not reveal himself as an angel, servant of God, it's a demon.

And people who communicate with demons will more promptly recognize Jesus when He comes? Perhaps you are right...

Not all who you THINK communicate with demons are actually communicating with demons....

Spirits of the dead floating around? Nah, not really... but then we have Samuel actually appearing in a vision, and Moses on the mount of transfiguration... and we know Moses died... so he was either resurected, or was a spirit/astral body, who happened to appear with Jesus..... hmmmm now

There are also elementals & other spirits.... Job mentions a spirit that passed by his face, and we can travel in astral spirit as did Paul in 2 Cor. 12 or John in Rev 4. Please don't "scripturalize" it away and try saying that was just a vision or a bodily journey. We know full well it was astral projection. Ecclesiastes 12 even talks of the silver cord often seen during OBE's....

 

[Lifesaver]

You claim to be a rationalist, yet you believe that a wafer can become the real flesh and blood of the Creator of the universe. In the GA forum such a belief wouldn’t win you many brownie points from the atheists there (who are THE rationalists, pace eis).

First of all, I'm gladly not a rationalist.
Secondly, there's not one argument against it, whether we have reason to believe it. So, it doesn't seem irrational, that is, contradictory to reason, at all.

Evidence! Bring me evidence of God if you can! Going by evidence alone, we should all be atheists.

Not evidence, but demonstration.
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/100203.htm

Nope, that won’t work. No-one chooses to be tortured. It is forced on them by your God.

It is not torture as you are picturing it. Of course the person will feel wretched and terrible, but what makes it even worse is that they know it was their own choice, and they know others are in a blissful state, and yet they couldn't possibly bear to be brought near Heaven, so repulsed to truth, good and beauty they've become.

The Nazis never ceased to believe in God.

But they ceased being good Christians.
Even demons believe in God's existence.

But innocent like a child, not knowing good or evil.

They knew very well what they were doing was wrong. They had never experienced evil, though.

He did nothing unjust. There is no injustice in eating that fruit, it harms no-one.

Is this your concept of unjust? Harming someone and nothing else?

By that logic, when a husband cheats his wife, doesn't feel bad about it and the wife never learns about it, he did nothing unjust, for no-one was harmed.

All on the premises, of course. I don’t believe that myth.[/QUOTE]

 

[Heathen Dawn]

You really dont get it do you?

What exactly don’t I get?

 

[ONE WHO REMAINS]

The only way I know that I can prove my God is to show you what God has done in my life. The hardest part about any religion, is the faith. To believe in something you cant touch, smell, hear. Thats to me is why its called faith. Even being an atheist, your putting your faith in facts and your belief that there is no God. But no matter how you look at it its tough, and its tough to prove any which way.

 

[Heathen Dawn]

You’re in the wrong thread, OWR. For one, I believe in much more Gods than you do.

 

[ONE WHO REMAINS]

I was responding to one of the posts in this thread, not to the original thread itself. But I would not say its evil. But in the christian belief system and in the bible it says dont worship anything or anybody besides GOD. It goes on to say do not worship idols, or other gods, such as gods of wind and water etc. It also says there's only one true GOD and that its him. So through the christian belief yes anything that is not of GOD is evil.

 

[e=mv^2]

He did nothing unjust. There is no injustice in eating that fruit, it harms no-one.

If you tell a child not to walk on the carpet with muddy shoes and they do it - who have they harmed?

If you tell a child not to break fine china and they do it - who has it harmed?

It hurt the relationship. God said no. Man did it anyway. Man chose NOT to follow God. Man chose to rebel. That is the sin. It was not the fruit that was bad.

 

[psychedelicist]

Not evidence, but demonstration.
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/100203.htm

That proves existence of A God, not Jehovah. And like I said before, read about quantum physics, it blows this out of the water. The universe is not some blind, stupid mechanical process. We create the universe, just as it created us. This is not an objective universe where we are simply along for the ride.

Is this your concept of unjust? Harming someone and nothing else?

By that logic, when a husband cheats his wife, doesn't feel bad about it and the wife never learns about it, he did nothing unjust, for no-one was harmed.

I personally could never do anything like that, however you must realize that it is a right we have. If it doesn't harm the person or property of others, there is really nothing wrong with it (read the constitution). However, he did make vows whan he got married not to do that, so yes because they had promised not to it would be unjust.

 

[psychedelicist]

If you tell a child not to walk on the carpet with muddy shoes and they do it - who have they harmed?

If you tell a child not to break fine china and they do it - who has it harmed?

It hurt the relationship. God said no. Man did it anyway. Man chose NOT to follow God. Man chose to rebel. That is the sin. It was not the fruit that was bad.

In the first example, no one was harmed.

In the second example, the vase was someone elses property, so yes that was wrong

And no, MAN did not choose to disobey, ADAM and EVE supposedly did thousands of years ago. THEY ate the fruit, THEY disobeyed him, I should not pay for what my great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather did.

 

[psychedelicist]

But we are just going in circles.

Yes, Wicca is evil, but only to christians and anyone who doesn't know anything about it, and assumes its just witchcraft and casting spells on people

No ,its not evil to the people who know about what its all about.

We will never see your point of view, and you will never see ours, so lets just drop this.

 

[Hitokiri Shadow]

That all depends on how you define evil. We won't agree because our definitions of evil are different.

For me, evil is something that is contrary to God's teachings, which would include wicca among other things.

I'm guessing that for you, evil would require some sort of malicious act (i.e. rape, murder). I'm not sure how you define evil, but it is obviously not the same way I define it.

For this reason, I see wicca as "evil" and you do not.

 

[Wayfarer]

Wicca is a beautifully peaceful religion, and from what I've experienced, it's adherents are very compassionate and respectful. I see no evil in it.

With love,

James

 

[Rae]

Anyone who tells another to kill any child or infant is evil and commanding that which is immoral by definition. There is no excuse for such an action.

 

[Crispie]

Wicca is a beautifully peaceful religion, and from what I've experienced, it's adherents are very compassionate and respectful. I see no evil in it.

With love,

James

Then you obviously havent read the bible much, or youd know that any religion besides Christianity is one of the most evil and hated things by God.

 

[Fiendishjester]

Then you obviously havent read the bible much, or youd know that any religion besides Christianity is one of the most evil and hated things by God.

Instead of being so disgruntled about it, maybe He should do something about it Himself. If He lets people adhere to "false" religions, all of which are products of His Creation, whether directly or indirectly, then why is He so angry about it? That seems more childish than Godly. I mean, He should know, with his Infinite Wisdom, that as long as He allows other religions to exist, there will always be some peope who will adhere strictly to them, and as long as He allows people to strictly adhere to them, there is no way that some of them will change their minds.

 

[Heathen Dawn]

If you tell a child not to walk on the carpet with muddy shoes and they do it - who have they harmed?

If you tell a child not to break fine china and they do it - who has it harmed?

My expectation that a child should obey wouldn’t be very reasonable. It depends on the child. Some are, some aren’t. But, whatever the case, I’m NOT going to douse the child in petrol and set him alight after he does that. Which is what the Christian God does, multiplied into infinite extent.

It hurt the relationship. God said no. Man did it anyway. Man chose NOT to follow God. Man chose to rebel. That is the sin. It was not the fruit that was bad.

He knew Adam wouldn’t pass the test, yet He set it up anyway. And He foreknew many people would not peruse the remedy of His blood-sacrifice, yet He’s going to put them in hell anyway.

Something is lacking in the intelligent design department.