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Hitokiri Shadow said:I do not think Wicca is the "evil, demonic cult" portrayed by some people. I do not believe it holds malicious or harmful practices or beliefs.
But, as a Christian, I believe Wicca to be a tool of Satan and therefore "evil."
Good questions? I would like to know too!Lifesaver said:Have you casted successful spells? Which were them?
Okay, so the spell maybe operated directly in the mind of the owner?Cerridwen said:I asked for it to happen, and it did. We've waited a long time to find this place, & after having first been told that we wouldn't be able to get it, after the spell was cast, out of the blue, several months later, the owner called & said she had decided to sell it to us after all.
Interesting how they never cast these...Some people are perfectly capable of calling down lightning, and there are spells (or dances, as the Native Americans) to ask for rain, help, protection, you name it, there's probably a spell for it. As long as there is need, then there is a spell one can cast to help.
The answer to many prayers that ask for things are the world working naturally. The universe was just created to work in a way that such a thing would happen, and was only created so because a person would pray for a such a thing.How do you know that your prayers aren't just the "world working normally"?
Existential1 said:So, on the basis of the reason you here present: is Wicca of Satan, and evil; simply because it is NotChristianity.
That is the designations Satanic and evil, need not have specific content, or definition: beyond the formal matter of being NotChristianity.
So what preceded Christianity, in a setting: and what is systemically and countervailingly alternate to Christianity; will always earn the default designation of being Satanic and evil.
Is there any ground on which Wiccan and Christianity might come to see themselves as alternate "takes" on something, say divination: no matter how limited any initial comparison might be?
More seriously is coexistence, here with the Wiccan, a genuine and sustainable option for the Christian?
How does current culture and law, as to inclusion and tolerance: bear on this mutual comprehension; between Wiccan and Christian?
So, the early Native Americans spirituality came from Satan? (WeHitokiri Shadow said:What does not come from God, comes from Satan. This includes beliefs and powers such as Chi/Ki, magick, or whatever. That is my belief (and many, but not necessarily all, Christians believe this).
been down this road beforeLiufesaver said:
Have you casted successful spells? Which were them?
Hitokiri Shadow said:If by coexistence, you mean living next door to eachother and being friends, yes. If you mean, will Christians stop trying to witness to you and try to help you accept Jesus Christ as you Savior, then, no.
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Ryal Kane said:As an atheist, I consider both spells and prayers to be in the same catagory. They are a focus of one's perception in the hope of a solution. If this focus allows one to find hat solution or to overcome the problem them good. I fully support it. I am even willing to conced that there may be some element of human consiousness that can manipulate the surrounding world.
However, the problem may develop that the act itself becomes more important than the objective, ie prayer is so important to an individual that they do nothing to solve the problems themselves, only hoping to an outside source.
Repeated prayer and magical chants also bear resemblance to meditative mantra, an inward calming focus to ignore the negatives and discover new solutions.
If they are helpful, then they are 'good'. If they are harmful then they are 'bad'. Professing the superiority of one ofver the other, to the extent of saying 'prayer is real, spells aren't' certainly isn't going to sway anyone or anything but the needles on irony-meters.
Ryal Kane
Now you call Chi as evil because "it does not come from God"...I am curios, do you even know what Chi is???? Chi is simply the chinese word for life force, or life energy/God energy to some...something we all have within, so does that mean you are saying that life force/life energy/God (that is in all things me and you included) is evil???? This really makes no sense at all....What does not come from God, comes from Satan. This includes beliefs and powers such as Chi/Ki, magick, or whatever. That is my belief (and many, but not necessarily all, Christians believe this).
if you knew what you really knew the smallest bit about wiccanism you would reconize our rede being "do as thou will, and it harm none". **thinks**Lifesaver said:It is evil, first because it is false, and also morally because it doesn't even accept the reality of sin, and thus doesn't stress the necessite of repentance.