Wicca:Good Or Bad Final Answers

[Gunny]

Dangers of Witchcraft

 

[Gunny]

What the Bible says about witchcraft, astrology and magic

 

[Gunny]

A Christian Response to Wicca

 

[Gunny]

Bible Resource Center- A letter to a Wiccan High Priestess


Wicca

 

[LouisBooth]

Originally posted by Marcel
If Gunny found a life in Christ, then howcome I can't help but get the impression he needs to get a life?

I think it's safe to say wicca hasn't manifested itself in a way that's harmfull to mankind, anywhere near the torturing and killing that has been committed in the name of Christ throughout history.

 

1. Marcel that is not approprate at all.

2.  I'm sure wicca has

3. the catholic church has made public appologies for what happened and I'm sure if you actually read it instead of jumping to conclusions of something you're not fully informed of (it seems that way anyway) you would realize when you bring up the past it has already been accounted for and thus should be left in the past.

when someone brings up something like, " torturning and killing" in the history of christianity, it is usually because they haven't read about it nor have they actually researched it. that is what people call a "strawman".

 

[Havoc]

2.  I'm sure wicca has

when someone brings up something like, " torturning and killing" in the history of christianity, it is usually because they haven't read about it nor have they actually researched it. that is what people call a "strawman". [/B]

Hmmm would "strawman" include saying you are sure Wicca has manifested itself as harmful without presenting anything to base that on?

 

[Havoc]

Originally posted by gunnysgt
This is what you state as all witches state.

Of course all Witches say they have nothing to do with Satanism, because we don't. Why would we care to have anything to do with a Christian god of Evil that we don't believe in.

I doubt your posts are doing anything to convince anyone Gunny, most of them are just pure false witness. Does your God hold you responsible for spreading false witness even if you didn't write it?

 

[LouisBooth]

"Hmmm would "strawman" include saying you are sure Wicca has manifested itself as harmful without presenting anything to base that on?"

Since we have gone through this I can go back and look again, there have been cases where so called 'witches' have hurt, tourtred and killed people.

 

[Havoc]

Originally posted by gunnysgt
Dangers of Witchcraft

From the site

"Female mediums are called "witches,” and males are called "wizards" or "warlocks."

Hate to tell you this Gunny but male Witches are called... Witches. Warlock is a scottish word which means "oath breaker". Any male Witch would be insulted in the extreme to be called a Warlock. The site author has been watching too much hollywood.

"Witches, and wizards enter into covenant with the devil to serve him. They hate God and Christ. They hate Christianity and the Bible. They hate the Ten Commandments, and the grace of Christ."

Hoo boy. Witches (there aren't any wizards in Wicca, more hollywood) do not believe in Satan, so the idea that we would make a pact with a being we don't believe in is ludicrous. We don't hate anything to do with your religion, we don't believe in it. We object to having false witness like this stuff perpetrated about us, but that's to be expected.

"They idolize selfishness, force, cruelty, death, and dead corpses. They love to Inflict pain, suffering, and death on both people and animals. When they can't kill people, they kill animals. They love cemeteries and dead bodies."

Well this is a good example of false witness. Here this site is accusing us of torturing and killing humans and animals. The accusation of murder is a very serious one Gunny, by posting this site here as proof of your premise you are signing on to this fallacy.

Do you accuse Witches of murder Gunny? Are you saying we torture and kill people? Please make sure and reply since not telling me directly will result in my reporting this accusation of murder to the board admins. You'll have to deal directly with your God for the false witness.

 

[Havoc]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"Hmmm would "strawman" include saying you are sure Wicca has manifested itself as harmful without presenting anything to base that on?"

Since we have gone through this I can go back and look again, there have been cases where so called 'witches' have hurt, tourtred and killed people.

Can you point out any? I'd be interested in seeing your evidence.

That's a very serious accusation Louis, but since you only said "some cases" let me point out that there have been "some cases", many thousands, where Christians have tortured and killed people. From the Spanish Inquisition to the Witch Burnings, to Northern Ireland, There are many examles of Christians doing what you accuse Witches of.

Now you will say, "but those weren't really Christians", and that may be valid, but if it is valid for Christians it must also be valid for Witches, assuming you can actually come up with some cases.

 

[LouisBooth]

"Can you point out any? I'd be interested in seeing your evidence."

sure I'm sure I can find a ton, but you'll problaby just play the, what did you call it, "they aren't a real witch" card. That's so tired and old a defence don't you think?

 

[Havoc]

I do, but it seems to be a favorite of yours so sauce for the Goose. I rather am interested in seeing what you can come up with so please post away.

 

[Rae]

Yeah, LB, and if we come up with examples of Christians who have tortured, murdered, and killed, you'll play the tired old "they weren't 'true Christians'" card.

If you get to exclude "yours," we get to exclude ours.

 

[LouisBooth]

"I do"

Exactly, you use it and its okay, I use it and its oh that's so bad, oh, foul, and more wineing about it. I think its pretty funny that you have a double standard, but its not surprising.

"If you get to exclude "yours," we get to exclude ours."

LOL, that's the point Rae, one that you don't seem to grasp. I dont' mind people saying that, as long as they back it up with ideas representative in their belief. LOL I do think you haven't been paying attention at all.

As for examples, just as the least of them, some people were accused of being witches and using magic to kill people, now I don't believe they should have been killed and maybe it was all hogwash, but it does show that some witches were accused of it, and might have done it too.

 

[Marcel]

LB, how about those rescources, just to show you have them.
If you have tons, you should be able to produce at least a couple.

 

[Havoc]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"I do"

Exactly, you use it and its okay, I use it and its oh that's so bad, oh, foul, and more wineing about it. I think its pretty funny that you have a double standard, but its not surprising.

"If you get to exclude "yours," we get to exclude ours."

LOL, that's the point Rae, one that you don't seem to grasp. I dont' mind people saying that, as long as they back it up with ideas representative in their belief. LOL I do think you haven't been paying attention at all.

As for examples, just as the least of them, some people were accused of being witches and using magic to kill people, now I don't believe they should have been killed and maybe it was all hogwash, but it does show that some witches were accused of it, and might have done it too.

The "I do" referred to yes I think it's a tired and old defence. I don't actually use that defence myself. And your original premise was not that some witches were accused of it but that some witches did it. So please post your examples.

 

[Isis]

I'm a Wiccan myself, but my oncle is a priest and my mother is a theologist, so I like to cosidder myself pretty familiar with the bible.
I think it's wrong for people who don't know what they're talking about to say that Wicca is evil. I'm not saying that none of you know what Wicca is about, but the ones who don't know shouldn't judge my religion.
I know Jesus said "everyone who's not against me, is with me" and sinds Wiccans in general arn't against Jesus, (or Mohammed, or Buddah for that matter..) why should He be against us?
I think everybody is entiteld to his or her own religion, and as long as nobody gets hurt I don't see the harm in it.

love Isis.

PS. I'm sory for possible mistakes, English is not my native language.

 

[LouisBooth]

"I don't actually use that defence myself."

Okay, then every person accused of using black magic ever in the world to kill or hurt people are witches then. That's a lot of evidience I had not even counted on.

"sinds Wiccans in general arn't against Jesus"

Yes, they are because they do exactly what Christ said not to.

 

[Dutch]

Originally posted by Havoc
Yes I've read that article many times and giggled. It's a curious mix of conjecture, opinion, supposition, interpretation, all with a light dusting of factual information. I have to admit it is less inflammatory than many Christian articles and doesn't try to insist that we eat babies, but I wouldn't use it as a factual representation of what we believe.

Huh? You disagree with the article, but for some reason have read it many times?

If you have read the article, I'd like to see a serious response to it. Don't just casually dismiss it. Tell us why you dismiss it so lightheartedly. And by all means, document your case (which is something Hawkins does quite well).
That said, Hawkins' article includes an important disclaimer of sorts - one you appear to have missed. He writes

It is extremely difficult to define with precision the beliefs and practices of contemporary witches. This is because of the elasticity of the terms "witch" and "witchcraft" as they have been applied to people and practices both today and throughout history. It is also due to the great diversity that exists within the contemporary movement itself. Witches disagree among themselves as to what constitutes a witch. (4) (http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/w04.html" \l "note4) Muddled thinking, misunderstanding, and confusion have been the result of Christians, witches, and others not adequately defining their terms. It is extremely difficult to define with precision the beliefs and practices of contemporary witches. This is because of the elasticity of the terms "witch" and "witchcraft" as they have been applied to people and practices both today and throughout history. It is also due to the great diversity that exists within the contemporary movement itself. Witches disagree among themselves as to what constitutes a witch. (4) (http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/w04.html" \l "note4) Muddled thinking, misunderstanding, and confusion have been the result of Christians, witches, and others not adequately defining their terms.

When you say that you "wouldn't use it as a factual representation of what we believe" while at the same time dismissing the documented information provided by Hawkins, it appears you gloss over (or even ignore) the fact that you can not speak for all witches.

The witches I know and those I have met over the years, bear out Hawkins' claim of diversity. Matter of fact, many self-proclaimed witches who have visited the Apologetics Index entry on Witchcraft have commented favorably on the information provided, including the fact that Wicca's diversity is plainly described:

As Craig Hawkins points out in Goddess Worship, Witchcraft and Neo-Paganism, Wicca prides itself in being a diverse movement. Though neo-pagans share certain common beliefs and practices, Wicca knows no central authority, and practitioners do not all have the same views, beliefs and practices. The movement's primary ethical principle, referred to as the "Pagan Ethic" or "Wiccan Rede," is "If it harm none, do as thou will." (or ''wilt'').
This "create your own religion"approach contributes to the movements's popularity, as does the media's portrayal of Wicca

Anton
Religion News Blog

 

[Angel75]

Well I went to my first wiccan event (samhain) this past weekend and heard much more love than i have any sunday morning. My 6 yr old loved it, and we will be going back for yule

I was dissapointed to find you can't ignore mods/admins. i spent most of my time on this thread with my finger on the down arrow. I have tried so hard to find and value in anything the ol marine posts and i jsut can't. can anyone talk to him about all the cut and pasting. or the endless scripture. does anyone actually read it??

Anyway as to the evilness of wicca...Why do you focus on this religion. most of the info posted on wiccans just shows your ignorance. If you want to learn about them, go to the source. not the biased christian junk.

btw welcome Isis