Why... ?

[KCDAD]

Look there really isn't any point in this. You have no interest in learning the truth. You have your perceptual set and refuse to have an open mind. It is like Jack Nicholson said: You can't handle the truth.

Be happy.

 

[CShephard53]

Jesus doesn't answer prayers... it isn't his job. You brought it up... now let's see you provide "evidence" of your claim. You already have my position; Jesus doesn't answer prayer... now it is your turn.

Your position has no merit, nor do any of your claims. Where is your backing for this claim? I seem to remember a verse in John 14....

Look there really isn't any point in this. You have no interest in learning the truth. You have your perceptual set and refuse to have an open mind. It is like Jack Nicholson said: You can't handle the truth.

Be happy.

This is coming from someone who doesn't bother to respond to other people's claims. You're not willing to listen to a word we say, so I am done with this fruitless argument with you. Oh, and having an open mind doesn't mean we blindly accept what you say.

 

[Tawhano]

Look there really isn't any point in this. You have no interest in learning the truth. You have your perceptual set and refuse to have an open mind. It is like Jack Nicholson said: You can't handle the truth.

Ahhh…The ole “if you don’t believe what I believe it’s because you can’t see the truth” angle eh? The problem isn’t with me it is solely with your presentation. You provide no sources, no evidence and nothing substantial and expect everyone to just take it on your word only that you and you only know the truth. I have asked repeatedly for sources and the only thing you can come up with didn’t even back up your false claims.

You have no interest in learning the truth only in repeating unsubstantial nonsense you refuse to back up. You have your perceptual set and refuse to have an open mind and refuse to back it up with anything substantial.

It is like Jack Nicholson said: You can't handle the truth. Here is the truth pal; you got nothing.

 

[KCDAD]

Ahhh…The ole “if you don’t believe what I believe it’s because you can’t see the truth” angle eh? The problem isn’t with me it is solely with your presentation. You provide no sources, no evidence and nothing substantial and expect everyone to just take it on your word only that you and you only know the truth. I have asked repeatedly for sources and the only thing you can come up with didn’t even back up your false claims.

You have no interest in learning the truth only in repeating unsubstantial nonsense you refuse to back up. You have your perceptual set and refuse to have an open mind and refuse to back it up with anything substantial.

It is like Jack Nicholson said: You can't handle the truth. Here is the truth pal; you got nothing.

I don't care if you understand what I understand. What bugs me is that what you believe is not supportable with any argument you make. Gravity had NOTHING to do with inertia. Ghosts, angels, magic, miracles and demons have nothing to do with donkeys talking.
You can not point out one Bible passage that shows Jesus answered any prayer.
Your theology is made of straw.

 

[KCDAD]

jawsmetroid;39668029Your position has no merit, nor do any of your claims. Where is your backing for this claim? I seem to remember a verse in John 14....

John 14:14??? How about all the people that had prayed in Jesus' name to save the miners in Utah? How about all those that prayed for the victims of Katrina or the tsunami? I guess the 6 million Jews and 4 million Christians, Roma, elderly, sick and homosexuals that died in Nazi concentration camps didn't say the right words. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a Christian, certainly prayed in Jesus name for deliverance... and yet he died.
Did that verse say Jesus said "ask anything in my name" and "I will do it"?

This is coming from someone who doesn't bother to respond to other people's claims. You're not willing to listen to a word we say, so I am done with this fruitless argument with you. Oh, and having an open mind doesn't mean we blindly accept what you say.

I have read everything you wrote and responded. That you do not understand there is Truth outside the Roman Catholic Bible is not my fault nor concern.

Your arguments are repetitive and inconsequential. Quote Bible verses out of context all you want. You have not answered the question that haunts you... If anything is required of us, God's grace is not free. Your God is arbitrary, and limited in love, forgiveness and mercy. If the Bible is not 100% consistent and inerrant I have to think... oh no! Not that! Fundamentalism is NEVER good... not if it Islamic nor if it is Christian.

 

[Tawhano]

I don't care if you understand what I understand. What bugs me is that what you believe is not supportable with any argument you make.

How would you know? I haven’t even told you what I believe. This isn’t about what I believe it is about erroneous comments you made that you can’t back up.

Gravity had NOTHING to do with inertia.

Hello? That’s what I was telling you; didn’t you read the links I gave you?

Ghosts, angels, magic, miracles and demons have nothing to do with donkeys talking.

Strawman; I never even so much as hinted this. Where are you getting this rubbish?

You can not point out one Bible passage that shows Jesus answered any prayer.

Strawman; I never even so much as hinted this. Where are you getting this rubbish?

You theology is made of straw.

Dude; you haven’t a clue what my theology is. I haven’t even discussed what my theology is to you. You are simply ranting nonsense now.

 

[Tawhano]

John 14:14??? How about all the people that had prayed in Jesus' name to save the miners in Utah? How about all those that prayed for the victims of Katrina or the tsunami? I guess the 6 million Jews and 4 million Christians, Roma, elderly, sick and homosexuals that died in Nazi concentration camps didn't say the right words. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a Christian, certainly prayed in Jesus name for deliverance... and yet he died.
Did that verse say Jesus said "ask anything in my name" and "I will do it"?

Whoa!!! Is this what UUMC teaches to its members? Explain to me how it is you consider yourself to be a Christian.

 

[CShephard53]

John 14:14??? How about all the people that had prayed in Jesus' name to save the miners in Utah? How about all those that prayed for the victims of Katrina or the tsunami? I guess the 6 million Jews and 4 million Christians, Roma, elderly, sick and homosexuals that died in Nazi concentration camps didn't say the right words. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a Christian, certainly prayed in Jesus name for deliverance... and yet he died.
Did that verse say Jesus said "ask anything in my name" and "I will do it"?




I have read everything you wrote and responded. That you do not understand there is Truth outside the Roman Catholic Bible is not my fault nor concern.

Your arguments are repetitive and inconsequential. Quote Bible verses out of context all you want. You have not answered the question that haunts you... If anything is required of us, God's grace is not free. Your God is arbitrary, and limited in love, forgiveness and mercy. If the Bible is not 100% consistent and inerrant I have to think... oh no! Not that! Fundamentalism is NEVER good... not if it Islamic nor if it is Christian.

Bitterness, eh? Do you know the meaning of 'in my name'? In His will, authority, character. It is not outside God's character to punish sinners. If you're angry, don't take it out on us. It's not going to get you anywhere.

 

[KCDAD]

How would you know? I haven’t even told you what I believe. This isn’t about what I believe it is about erroneous comments you made that you can’t back up.

Hello? That’s what I was telling you; didn’t you read the links I gave you?

Strawman; I never even so much as hinted this. Where are you getting this rubbish?

Strawman; I never even so much as hinted this. Where are you getting this rubbish?

Dude; you haven’t a clue what my theology is. I haven’t even discussed what my theology is to you. You are simply ranting nonsense now.

Here is the thread points you refer to…
First is your discussion of blood: it is dirty because it carries diseases but Jesus blood (and the blood of sacrificed animals in general) cleanses us.
Next is Leprosy… “slightly” contagious… ok, I’ll concede that it is contagious… however it is curable. It did require the isolation of victims in leper colonies.
Next comes demons and mental illness… or demons and possessing people…
Since you can not produce one demon, and EVERY mental illness can be explained by organic differences in the brain, it is up to you to provide a reason to believe demons exist and can possess people. Can you provide any evidence of demon possession that isn’t an affect of an already disturbed mind? Why is it that demons don’t possess the minds of people who don’t believe in demons? (The same answer applies to why those who don’t believe in space aliens don’t get kidnapped by them)

Then we get to your claim that gravity would hold everything in place if the Earth stopped its rotation…
I don’t see a response to the “seatbelt” factor in car travel. If you aren’t wearing your seatbelt and your car stops you will continue to travel forward due to inertia. Gravity does not hold you in your seat. Also note that YOU first mentioned gravity as a red herring to alter the discussion’s direction.


Originally Posted by KCDAD
If blood is such a pure and cleaning spiritual agent, why is it that for women it is a sign of uncleanliness?
Diseases are spread through blood.
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Originally Posted by KCDAD
Leprosy is NOT contageous.
Leprosy is a slightly contageous disease caused by a tiny rod-like germ called Mycobacterium Leprae (M.leprae) . It was first discovered by Dr. G.A. Hansen in 1873.(http://www.webspawner.com/users/PRASHAN/)
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Originally Posted by KCDAD
Demons do not cause mental illness. We learned that 200 yers ago when they stopped bleeding and leeching sick people.
Bleeding and leeching sick people is a valid medical practice still today. Again, I asked for proof and you give me your opinion. Where is the proof? Also how did we go from “Demons possessing people” to “Demons do not cause mental illness”? I don’t think I mentioned it, did you?

Source for this please? The sun moves across the sky in our perspective because the earth rotates on its axis. This rotation is not the source of gravity. See http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssc...les/u6l3c.html

Gravity would hold everything to the earth’s surface and they wouldn’t fly off, inertia isn’t what holds everything to the earth’s surface. The rotation of the earth has nothing to do with the earth’s gravitational pull. Earth’s gradational pull would hold everything to the surface in the event the earth’s rotation stopped. Did you not read the link I gave you? Try this one http://www.sciencemonster.com/gravity_inertia.html

 

[KCDAD]

Whoa!!! Is this what UUMC teaches to its members? Explain to me how it is you consider yourself to be a Christian.

Yes... we teach people that God is Truth and Jesus is the way, the TRUTH and the life... there is no truth in the verse that says Jesus will do whatever you ask him to do.

My calling myself a Christian is because of instead quoting irrelevant verses out of context, I actually try and live the way Jesus taught us to live. My being a Christian is about following Jesus, not the church.

 

[KCDAD]

Bitterness, eh? Do you know the meaning of 'in my name'? In His will, authority, character. It is not outside God's character to punish sinners. If you're angry, don't take it out on us. It's not going to get you anywhere.

So any time a prayer is ignored it is because the prayer was not in "his will, authority or character".
Isn't that convenient? Pray for whatever you want in my name and if I do it, then you know it was in my will, authority or character and if not... well, er, uh... it wasn't in my will, authority or character.

So much for ask ANYTHING. Faith the size of mustard seed and move this mountain. When two or more of you are gathered in my name and agree... it will be done. ANYTHING, except.
It will be done.... except when it isn't.

Of course it outside God's will to punish sinners. Why do you think that it rains on the just and the unjust? What do you think is the entire point of the book of Job? Why do the wicked prosper and righteous suffer... because of God's will? BLASPHEMY!

This survivor theology is nonsense. Everyone who suffers, suffers because it is God's will. Everyone who dies, it is because it is God's will. Everyone who is rich, healthy and powerful is because it God's will.

What's the point of living if everything is God's will? Oh, I can guess at your answer... OBEDIENCE. Yeah, I am sure that is why God created us... so we would worship and obey.

 

[Tawhano]

Here is the thread points you refer to…
First is your discussion of blood: it is dirty because it carries diseases but Jesus blood (and the blood of sacrificed animals in general) cleanses us.

Strawman; I said nothing about animal sacrifice or Jesus’ blood. I simply said diseases are spread through blood in answer to your question of why it was considered unclean when a woman was in her menstrual cycle. That was the question you were asking and I provided an answer. You have yet to provide anything but strawman arguments and personal opinions.

Next is Leprosy… “slightly” contagious… ok, I’ll concede that it is contagious… however it is curable. It did require the isolation of victims in leper colonies.

I’m not sure why you think leprosy being curable has anything to do with what I said. You said it wasn’t contagious I proved to you with a link to a source that said you were wrong. End of story. So why are you now trying to add more to this?

Since you can not produce one demon, and EVERY mental illness can be explained by organic differences in the brain, it is up to you to provide a reason to believe demons exist and can possess people.

Sorry doesn’t work that way. If I said demons existed then yes I would have to provide proof that they do. I didn’t say anything of the sort. This is a common tactic on these forums where when you have nothing you shift the onus to another. You claimed they do not exist and I asked for your proof and you admitted you had none. End of story.

Then we get to your claim that gravity would hold everything in place if the Earth stopped its rotation…

A claim backed up by science and of which I gave you several links. Note that you haven’t been able to back up one of your claims…not one.

I don’t see a response to the “seatbelt” factor in car travel.

I didn’t see you ask for a response to the “seatbelt” factor in car travel. Which post did you say anything about the “seatbelt” factor. I see where you are going with this now.

Law of Inertia: Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it. Laymen’s terms: If a ball is rolling forward it will continue to roll forward until something stops it.

I assume you are referring to when you turn a corner in a car (or come to a stop) you are seemingly forced to the opposite of which the car is moving. What actually is happening is that your mass carries on forward until the seatbelt restrains you as per the Law of Inertia. So what would happen if the earth stopped rotating? How does that effect your movement? You will still proceed forward of course. Will you fly off the earth in a straight line? No, gravity prevents that. So what happens? You simply continue on in the direction you were heading the same as when you were in the car. The seatbelt kept you from continuing to move forward in the car and gravity will prevent you from continuing forward off the earth.

Also note that YOU first mentioned gravity as a red herring to alter the discussion’s direction.

How is gravity a red herring? It is what keeps us on the surface of the earth. Didn’t you read any of the links I provided?

My calling myself a Christian is because of instead quoting irrelevant verses out of context, I actually try and live the way Jesus taught us to live.

Interesting, so explain to me how you know which way Jesus teaches you to live if the bible is full of errors and contradictions? To me that very statement is contradictory.

…there is no truth in the verse that says Jesus will do whatever you ask him to do.

What prompt you to say this to me? Did I say I believed Jesus would do whatever I ask him to do? Can you quote the post where I said that? Why can’t you debate what I say instead of continually make stuff up and debate that?

My being a Christian is about following Jesus, not the church.

Isn’t it your church that teaches you how to follow Jesus? How do you know how to follow Jesus if the bible is full of errors and contradictions?

 

[KCDAD]

Tawhano;3967553]I said nothing about animal sacrifice or Jesus’ blood. I simply said diseases are spread through blood in answer to your question of why it was considered unclean when a woman was in her menstrual cycle. That was the question you were asking and I provided an answer. You have yet to provide anything but strawman arguments and personal opinions.

And yet... blood is what cleanses us...

I’m not sure why you think leprosy being curable has anything to do with what I said. You said it wasn’t contagious I proved to you with a link to a source that said you were wrong. End of story. So why are you now trying to add more to this?

I am talking about how the Bible and those who read it. The standard response was they are unclean (sinners) and need to be isolated from society.

Sorry doesn’t work that way. If I said demons existed then yes I would have to provide proof that they do. I didn’t say anything of the sort. This is a common tactic on these forums where when you have nothing you shift the onus to another. You claimed they do not exist and I asked for your proof and you admitted you had none. End of story.

You can not prove a negative... since no one can prove they exist, there is no reason to believe they do. End of story.

A claim backed up by science and of which I gave you several links.

Note that you haven’t been able to back up one of your claims…not one.

I didn’t see you ask for a response to the “seatbelt” factor in car travel. Which post did you say anything about the “seatbelt” factor. I see where you are going with this now.

Law of Inertia: Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it. Laymen’s terms: If a ball is rolling forward it will continue to roll forward until something stops it.

I assume you are referring to when you turn a corner in a car (or come to a stop) you are seemingly forced to the opposite of which the car is moving. What actually is happening is that your mass carries on forward until the seatbelt restrains you as per the Law of Inertia. So what would happen if the earth stopped rotating? How does that effect your movement? You will still proceed forward of course. Will you fly off the earth in a straight line? No, gravity prevents that. So what happens? You simply continue on in the direction you were heading the same as when you were in the car. The seatbelt kept you from continuing to move forward in the car and gravity will prevent you from continuing forward off the earth.

I never said anyone would fly off the Earth. I said they would continue, per inertia, to travel at 1000 miles per hour when the world stopped revolving. Now it is you that are putting words in my mouth.

How is gravity a red herring? It is what keeps us on the surface of the earth. Didn’t you read any of the links I provided?

Interesting, so explain to me how you know which way Jesus teaches you to live if the bible is full of errors and contradictions? To me that very statement is contradictory.

What prompt you to say this to me? Did I say I believed Jesus would do whatever I ask him to do? Can you quote the post where I said that? Why can’t you debate what I say instead of continually make stuff up and debate that?

Ok, I'll back off. Do you believe the Bible where it says whatever we ask, God will give us? Of course not. Not even if we ask is Jesus name.

Isn’t it your church that teaches you how to follow Jesus? How do you know how to follow Jesus if the bible is full of errors and contradictions?

No. The church doesn't teach me how to follow Jesus. That is through the Holy Spirit and reason.

 

[CShephard53]

So any time a prayer is ignored it is because the prayer was not in "his will, authority or character".
Isn't that convenient? Pray for whatever you want in my name and if I do it, then you know it was in my will, authority or character and if not... well, er, uh... it wasn't in my will, authority or character.

So much for ask ANYTHING. Faith the size of mustard seed and move this mountain. When two or more of you are gathered in my name and agree... it will be done. ANYTHING, except.
It will be done.... except when it isn't.

Of course it outside God's will to punish sinners. Why do you think that it rains on the just and the unjust? What do you think is the entire point of the book of Job? Why do the wicked prosper and righteous suffer... because of God's will? BLASPHEMY!

This survivor theology is nonsense. Everyone who suffers, suffers because it is God's will. Everyone who dies, it is because it is God's will. Everyone who is rich, healthy and powerful is because it God's will.

What's the point of living if everything is God's will? Oh, I can guess at your answer... OBEDIENCE. Yeah, I am sure that is why God created us... so we would worship and obey.

Why God created us? Love and relationships.

Suffering produces perseverance and strength of character.

Not everything that happens are things that God wants, but things that God uses for good. What kind of God would He be if He couldn't turn evil into good, and eventually win over it? God's will is revealed in the Bible. If you look at the thing and read about God's character in context, you'll see that God is who He says He is in the Bible. That was the premise of this thread, one which you haven't refuted- one that no one has refuted yet. Now that we've gotten back on topic, would you mind giving evidence or kindly stop continuing to derail this thread?

 

[Tawhano]

And yet... blood is what cleanses us...

Yep that is right. I see now why you think the bible is full of errors and contradictions; you don’t understand it. Explain to me how this is supposedly a contradiction.

I am talking about how the Bible and those who read it. The standard response was they are unclean (sinners) and need to be isolated from society.

Yeah so? They didn’t have the cure for leprosy back then.

You can not prove a negative... since no one can prove they exist, there is no reason to believe they do. End of story.

I do not have twenty dollars in my wallet. That is a negative. I just looked in my wallet and I have no twenties. I just proved a negative.

Again you indicate that because you believe such a way it is the only way to believe. Since no one can prove they don’t exist; there is no reason to believe they don’t. End of story.

I never said anyone would fly off the Earth. I said they would continue, per inertia, to travel at 1000 miles per hour when the world stopped revolving. Now it is you that are putting words in my mouth.

Nope, not putting words into your mouth at all. You said “If that process stopped, the entire contents of this planet would continue flying eastward at around 1000 miles per hour...” and flying means being airborne. If that isn’t what you meant then I simply misunderstood you because of the words you used. At any rate I explained the effects of inertia and it still applies to whether you go flying off the planet or just go flying eastward.

Do you believe the Bible where it says whatever we ask, God will give us? Of course not.

Cool, now you are going to ask me questions and answer them for me as well.

No. The church doesn't teach me how to follow Jesus. That is through the Holy Spirit and reason.

You have demonstrated your ability to reason. If something doesn’t fit in your box then it is discarded without careful examination. I have repeatedly asked you for sources and evidence to back up your claims and you have failed to produce one. I have serious doubt that you follow anything through reason since you demonstrate a lack thereof. If you don’t understand how the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us then I also doubt you follow through the Holy Spirit.

 

[KCDAD]

We are to drink the blood of Jesus. The Old Testament Hebrews literally washed themselves in the blood of their sacrifices... we are not talking about blood removing impurities form the cells.

And you can't catch leprosy with casual contact or by just being in the vicinity of someone. Never mind. Forget about leprosy.

Perhaps your twenties are invisible or hidden... you better check again. Maybe they just appeared after you closed your wallet... better check again. What proof is your word anyway? Perhaps you wouldn't recognise a twenty if you saw it. Your independent looking into your wallet is nothing close to proof. (oh by the way... there are no demons, angels or leprechauns in my wallet either... that does prove they don't exist?)

Gosh, genius, how does someone go through the windshield of their car in an accident when their seatbelt isn't there to stop them... CRAWL? TUNNEL? No, they fly through the windshield.

I have to ... you don't answer questions. If you disagree with my assessment, give me your correct response.

You ask for sources... for what reason? Either what I say is true or not. Can the sun stop in the sky? No. Can donkeys talk? Never.

I don't need a source for those statements. YOU or anyone else needs a source to explain how it is possible under ANY circumstance.

The Bible says so... SO? There, so do I.

 

[KCDAD]

Where does evil come from? God created whatever causes evil. RIGHT?

So suffering of any type is ultimately from God. That which strengthens, that which destroys... it is all the same. Only the survivors get the benefit of the strengthening, the victims get destroyed.

Do you really think God wanted love? God needed a relationship with us? What a pathetic supreme deity God must be to be so lonely and needy.

 

[Tawhano]

We are to drink the blood of Jesus. The Old Testament Hebrews literally washed themselves in the blood of their sacrifices... we are not talking about blood removing impurities form the cells.

I’m sure you think you know what you are talking about but I am afraid nothing you say is making any sense as to your false claims that the bible is contradicting itself with this issue. Also they didn’t literally wash themselves with the blood nor are we to literly dring the blood of Jesus. I would ask you for the source of your premise but I know better because you have none.

And you can't catch leprosy with casual contact or by just being in the vicinity of someone. Never mind. Forget about leprosy.

How is leprosy spread?
It is not clear how the leprosy germ is spread, but household and prolonged close contact is important. The germs probably enter the body through the nose and possibly through broken skin. The germs get in the air through nasal discharge of untreated lepromatous patients.(http://www.health.state.ny.us/diseases/communicable/leprosy/fact_sheet.htm)

It is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about so I agree with you that it is a good idea you quit talking about leprosy.

Perhaps your twenties are invisible or hidden... you better check again. Maybe they just appeared after you closed your wallet... better check again. What proof is your word anyway? Perhaps you wouldn't recognise a twenty if you saw it. Your independent looking into your wallet is nothing close to proof. (oh by the way... there are no demons, angels or leprechauns in my wallet either... that does prove they don't exist?)

You just don’t get it do you? You can’t prove they don’t exist and I can’t prove they do. The problem is that I never said one way or the other if they exist or not so it is not my problem to prove it one way or the other. You on the other hand insist they don’t exist despite not being able to prove it; so much for your ability to reason. It is unreasonable to tell somebody they are wrong about something you can’t prove and expect them to believe you. My rebuttal is simply that you can’t prove they don’t exist and therefore your arrogant statement that you are right and everyone who believes otherwise is wrong is in fact a fallacious argument.

What proof is your word anyway? Perhaps you wouldn't recognise a twenty if you saw it.

You display your rudeness like it is something to be proud of.

Gosh, genius, how does someone go through the windshield of their car in an accident when their seatbelt isn't there to stop them... CRAWL? TUNNEL? No, they fly through the windshield.

They are flung through the windshield because of inertia. Didn’t you read any of the links I gave you?

I have to ... you don't answer questions. If you disagree with my assessment, give me your correct response.

Don’t give me this crap; you are the one who doesn’t answer questions. I am giving you the correct response. You simply can not see the truth because you are blinded by your own pride.

You ask for sources... for what reason? Either what I say is true or not. Can the sun stop in the sky? No. Can donkeys talk? Never.

I asked for resources for what reason? You’re kidding right? I ask for resources because you can’t be trusted in your statements and in a debate it is customary to provide sources to back up your comments. You have not been able to provide one shred of evidence for anything you have said.

I don't need a source for those statements. YOU or anyone else needs a source to explain how it is possible under ANY circumstance.

Apparently you are unaccustomed to debating. When you make a statement as fact you need to back that up with some sort of source to show that it isn’t just your opinion you are offering.

The Bible says so... SO? There, so do I.

You have demonstrated that you have no idea what the bible says. You have demonstrated quite clearly that nothing you say can be interpreted as anything but misinformation.

 

[KCDAD]

Jesus command to drink my blood and eat my body

 

[KCDAD]

You are a very intelligent person who doesn't seem to understand the simple truth: This is not a debate in which someone keeps score on rhetorical skill. That ended in high school forensics club.

This is a search for the truth. I do not need to establish a baseline for the nonexistence of anything.... that existence possibility must first be established before there can be any discussion. Otherwise we need to be discussing flying rock-elephants and underwater bat-porcupines.

I don't expect you to take my word on anything, so don't expect me to trust you. Look at the reason behind the statements... I do or don't have a twenty dollar bill in my wallet, and there are no demons or angels... the former is totally relying on the integrity of the person that made the statement. The latter is a statement about reality, not dependent upon the person making the statement at all. It is entirely disprovable by any objective or interested party. Just produce one demon or angel and I am proven wrong. Since that has never been done, I will declare it can not be done... any objective or interested person may feel free to prove me wrong.

Yes, they are flung through the window ("flung" being a adjective that describes flight through a medium, usually air... a simile could be flown, sent into flight, flew...) by inertia, just as you on the ground (if the earth stopped rotating) would be flung through the air at approximately 1000 miles per hour by inertia until, depending upon your height, altitude, mass and propelled path, you would land back on Earth because of gravity.

That was a week of your semantic acrobatics to get to where you agree with my original statement that the sun could not have stopped in the sky for physical reason, according to God's own laws.

Now, should we do the same thing with any member of the equine family (including Mr. Ed) being able to converse with a human? Or would you like to concede that this is also against the laws of God's creative genius and MUST have been the writer's attempt at using a metaphor or a humorous anecdote to impart a spiritual truth.