Why... ?

[KCDAD]

Too bad it has nothing to do with anything. Just because you post some article from Wikipedia, then show it has some valid sources, does not mean that article came from those sources, nor does it mean that the content of the article has anything to do with whether or not the Logos is Jesus/God.


Not a scholarly source? Wow, then you've got to throw out pretty much everything else we know about ancient history, because it's not a 'scholarly source' either. Oh, and you've got more unbacked claims there.

If you can't see where in John 1 it's talking about Jesus, I can't help you.

Joh 1:15 John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'"
Joh 1:16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
Joh 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

What you do is look at the sources... it is called scholarship. I understand you are not familiar with scholarship at any level other than the concordance in the back of your RSV, but this is the way real people do it.

Does it mention Jesus, does it mention John? No. The poem ends and then the author of John carries on with John the baptist. All it says is the Logos became flesh and dwelt among us. When? How many times?

Is it talking about US? Created in the image (LOGOS?) of God? "Let us make man in our image"
Gen 1:26
tselem tseh'-lem
from an unused root meaning to shade;
a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol:--image, vain shew.

 

[CShephard53]

What you do is look at the sources... it is called scholarship. I understand you are not familiar with scholarship at any level other than the concordance in the back of your RSV, but this is the way real people do it.

Does it mention Jesus, does it mention John? No. The poem ends and then the author of John carries on with John the baptist. All it says is the Logos became flesh and dwelt among us. When? How many times?

Is it talking about US? Created in the image (LOGOS?) of God? "Let us make man in our image"
Gen 1:26
tselem tseh'-lem
from an unused root meaning to shade;
a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol:--image, vain shew.

KC, for one I'm not using the RSV, I'm using the NASB with Strong's numbering system. For another, I'm not using a concordance, I'm using Greek and Hebrew dictionaries that correspond with various numbers from Strong's. It is not Strong's concordance at all. And claiming that I'm not familiar with scholarship does not help your case in the least, seeing as you completely avoided anything I said about the article. Instead, you made a personal comment yet again. And I might remind you that the mods have issued a hat specifically saying to keep it impersonal. Are you going to ignore them as well as what I wrote?

 

[KCDAD]

KC, for one I'm not using the RSV, I'm using the NASB with Strong's numbering system. For another, I'm not using a concordance, I'm using Greek and Hebrew dictionaries that correspond with various numbers from Strong's. It is not Strong's concordance at all. And claiming that I'm not familiar with scholarship does not help your case in the least, seeing as you completely avoided anything I said about the article. Instead, you made a personal comment yet again. And I might remind you that the mods have issued a hat specifically saying to keep it impersonal. Are you going to ignore them as well as what I wrote?

That is your entire library? An English translation of the Bible and a Greek and Hebrew dictionary? (Look at who wrote and published your dictionaries? Are they Christian publishers? I think you'll find they are are not objective... especially if they are using Strong's as a reference)

Personal? Were you offended by my RSV remark? Do you not like the RSV? Oh, it was the real people comment. You are right, That was particularly nasty, and I apologize.
Now, do you want to try and address the real point of the post and not take offense at anything you can?

Does it mention Jesus, does it mention John? No. The poem ends and then the author of John carries on with John the baptist. All it says is the Logos became flesh and dwelt among us. When? How many times?

Is it talking about US? Created in the image (LOGOS?) of God? "Let us make man in our image"
Gen 1:26
tselem tseh'-lem
from an unused root meaning to shade;
a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol:--image, vain shew.

 

[CShephard53]

That is your entire library? An English translation of the Bible and a Greek and Hebrew dictionary? (Look at who wrote and published your dictionaries? Are they Christian publishers? I think you'll find they are are not objective... especially if they are using Strong's as a reference)

Personal? Were you offended by my RSV remark? Do you not like the RSV? Oh, it was the real people comment. You are right, That was particularly nasty, and I apologize.
Now, do you want to try and address the real point of the post and not take offense at anything you can?

Does it mention Jesus, does it mention John? No. The poem ends and then the author of John carries on with John the baptist. All it says is the Logos became flesh and dwelt among us. When? How many times?

Is it talking about US? Created in the image (LOGOS?) of God? "Let us make man in our image"
Gen 1:26
tselem tseh'-lem
from an unused root meaning to shade;
a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol:--image, vain shew.

KC, I am done debating this with you on this thread. Your claims, especially the one about my sources, shows that you have no argument. Therefore, this thread is closing.

 

[Akathist]

Thread Closed at OP's request.