Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath?

[stone]

Genesis 2:3

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

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This is why i keep shabbat, is there something i should know here about why i should not keep it?

 

[woobadooba]

Careful, Woobadooba. We don't know his heart. I for one am convinced from his posts that Oblio has a deep love for Jesus. I'm just trying to show him that Sabbathkeeping is another aspect of loving the Lord by obeying His commands. Have you not seen how carefully I avoid any words that might even be interpreted as a condemnation?

I understand what you are saying, but I am not here to please people; I am here to deliver the truth.

If some are going to interpret that as condemnation then that is not my problem.

And the truth is, no ones heart is right with God 100%. However, there are those who know what they ought to do, but do it not. And there are those who would know what they ought to do if they would just listen, but their pride keeps them from hearing the truth. Which one is worse?

It doesn't matter. For, everyone will face God in the day of judgment, and their deeds will be brought into account.

It doesn't matter how much a person says he loves God, or how much we think he loves Jesus. If his works do not show forth his love for God through obedience to His commands, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

And you are right. I don't know Oblio's heart. But what I do know is that the Bible is very clear on this issue, and he, for whatever reason that may be, is not following it, but fighting against it.

"Not everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Matt. 7:21

 

[ScottBot]

I find the level of self-righteousness in this thread to be very entertaining in a carnal sort of way.

 

[woobadooba]

I find the level of self-righteousness in this thread to be very entertaining in a carnal sort of way.

It is quite sad that you would find self-righteousness to be entertaining.

Do you think Jesus is entertained by this?

And it isn't a matter of self righteousness when we tell you that God expects us to obey His commands.

It is Christ's righteousness, not ours, that tells us that we ought to be obedient.

Again, if you want to interpret this as condemnation, or entertainment, rather than seeing it for what it really is--a warning--then that is your problem.

We've done our part in warning you. Now it's up to you to either heed the warning or reject it.

 

[ScottBot]

It is quite sad that you would find self-righteousness to be entertaining.

Do you think Jesus is entertained by this?

And it isn't a matter of self righteousness when we tell you that God expects us to obey His commands.

It is Christ's righteousness, not ours, that tells us that we ought to be obedient.

Again, if you want to interpret this as condemnation, or entertainment, rather than seeing it for what it really is--a warning--then that is your problem.

We've done our part in warning you. Now it's up to you to either heed the warning or reject it.

Thanks, but I keep my own spiritual advisors. I have know way of testing the fruit of your teaching, other than a cursory analysis that your seem to enjoy pontificating. Good luck getting people to heed your warnings though.

 

[qh93536]

It has been amusing to me, here in the United States, regarding all the recent concern that Christian judges, churches, and organizations have regarding the removal of various historic monuments of the Ten Commandments in public places, like court houses, capital buildings, parks, etc., etc., while the majority of Christians in favor of the their not being removed are not keeping the 4th Commandment [7th day Sabbath]. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), could easily point out this inconsistency to the embarassment of those Christians calling for the Ten Commandments to not be removed on the grounds that their visibility in public places will discourage lawlessness, while the very same Christians are being "lawless" by breaking the 4th Commandment.

You know, I have a good friend who is an SDA. He is a Native American. Here is what I have observed from my many conversations with him. The SDAs are so focused on their Saturday Sabbath, they are missing many other important aspects of a relationship with God. IMHO it may be the only thing that they are doing right.

Is a saturday Sabbath important to God? No, not really.
Why? because if you understand the reason that the Sabbath was created, you will understand that it was so God would have a day dedicated to him from his creation. The bottom line is, he doesn't care which day it is. And if you really want to please and be a blessing to God, you will not just give him one day, but you will give him EVERY DAY, and if you do that, there is no need for a Sabbath!

 

[jochanaan]

Thanks, but I keep my own spiritual advisors. I have know way of testing the fruit of your teaching, other than a cursory analysis that your seem to enjoy pontificating. Good luck though.

Actually, there is one way. Begin to keep the Sabbath, and see if you do not receive blessings you could never have imagined in the form of increased closeness to God.

I am not saying you always have to go to church on Saturday; sometimes I don't. But I always take time for God and never burden myself with work-related activities.

 

[woobadooba]

Thanks, but I keep my own spiritual advisors. I have know way of testing the fruit of your teaching, other than a cursory analysis that your seem to enjoy pontificating. Good luck though.

It's not an issue of testing the fruit of what I teach as much as it is bringing it into Biblical scrutiny for verification, to see if it measures up to what God is really saying to His people, that is important here.

Do you think Isaiah or Jeremiah bore false messages when they approached God's people with a swift rebuke?

If you go by the method that you describe above to verify truth, then you would have to say that anyone who cries out against sin is wrong for doing so simply because it makes some people feel uncomfortable.

The gospel was never meant to make our lives comfortable, but to change them radically.

Please keep this in mind.

 

[ScottBot]

It's not an issue of testing the fruit of what I teach as much as it is bringing it into Biblical scrutiny.

Do you think Isaiah or Jeremiah bore false messages when they approached God's people with a swift rebuke?

If you go by the method that you describe above to verify truth, then you would have to say that anyone who cries out against sin is wrong for doing so simply because it makes some people feel uncomfortable.

The gospel was never meant to make our lives comfortable, but to change them radically.

Please keep this in mind.

I agree that the Gospel is intended to create radical change. However, when you refer to "biblical scrutiny" it is always colored with the shades of our own perceptions. There CAN NOT BE any truely objective personal interpretation of Scripture. That is why St. Peter warned against it.

 

[stone]

Is a saturday Sabbath important to God? No, not really.
Why? because if you understand the reason that the Sabbath was created, you will understand that it was so God would have a day dedicated to him from his creation. The bottom line is, he doesn't care which day it is. And if you really want to please and be a blessing to God, you will not just give him one day, but you will give him EVERY DAY, and if you do that, there is no need for a Sabbath!

Genesis 2:3


3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[qh93536]

Actually, there is one way. Begin to keep the Sabbath, and see if you do not receive blessings you could never have imagined in the form of increased closeness to God.

I am not saying you always have to go to church on Saturday; sometimes I don't. But I always take time for God and never burden myself with work-related activities.

Observing the Sabbath on Saturday is not going to bring you any closer to God! The ONLY thing that will bring you closer to god is to rebuke your flesh and grow into a spiritual relationship with him. The problem that God has with most believers is not which day they observe, but their carnality, which they seem to want to hang on to.

 

[woobadooba]

I agree that the Gospel is intended to create radical change. However, when you refer to "biblical scrutiny" it is always colored with the shades of our own perceptions. There CAN NOT BE any truely objective personal interpretation of Scripture. That is why St. Peter warned against it.

Now you are just making matters even more worse for yourself.

That is not what Peter meant. What he meant was that people were taking the writings of Paul and twisting them for their own ill-willed purposes.

This does not imply that we can't know what Paul really meant, or any of the other Bible writers for that matter!

"He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction" 2Pt. 3:16

Notice how he says that it is ignorant and unstable people who are doing this, but not all people were guilty of it! Meaning, the message can be understood.

When will you stop trying to justify your error?

 

[stone]

Observing the Sabbath on Saturday is not going to bring you any closer to God! The ONLY thing that will bring you closer to god is to rebuke your flesh and grow into a spiritual relationship with him. The problem that God has with most believers is not which day they observe, but their carnality, which they seem to want to hang on to.

rebuke your flesh? what is that suppose to mean?

 

[woobadooba]

Observing the Sabbath on Saturday is not going to bring you any closer to God! The ONLY thing that will bring you closer to god is to rebuke your flesh and grow into a spiritual relationship with him. The problem that God has with most believers is not which day they observe, but their carnality, which they seem to want to hang on to.

Do you see what you are really saying here? Can't you see how inconsistent this thought is?

Why does carnality exist? It exists for us because man refused to obey God. Now then,
is the Sabbath a command or not?

Of course it is. So what else does it mean but that you are not surrendering to God when you refuse to obey it?

In other words, by disobeying God's command you are giving in to the carnal nature rather than heeding the voice of God who wants to save you from it.

 

[qh93536]

Genesis 2:3


3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Some people never get it. The people were working seven days and completely neglecting God. We were created to be Gods family and yet we were ignoring and neglecting him. So God chose the seventh day, simply because he wanted families to be together on the same day. The early church changed it to Sunday, which God does NOT have a problem with.

What that means is that the SDAs are not observing the Sabbath, which is now on Sunday by decree of the church leaders, who changed it by the authority of God.

 

[qh93536]

Do you see what you are really saying here? Can't you see how inconsistent this thought is?

Why does carnality exist? It exists for us because man refused to obey God. Now then,
is the Sabbath a command or not?

Of course it is. So what else does it mean but that you are not surrendering to God when you refuse to obey it?

In other words, by disobeying God's command you are giving in to the carnal nature rather than heeding the voice of God who wants to save you from it.

You do not understand what carnality is. Carnality is mans animalistic instincts.

 

[ScottBot]

Now you are just making matters even more worse for yourself.

That is not what Peter meant. What he meant was that people were taking the writings of Paul and twisting them for their own ill-willed purposes.

This does not imply that we can't know what Paul really meant, or any of the other Bible writers for that matter!

"He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction" 2Pt. 3:16

Notice how he says that it is ignorant and unstable people who are doing this, but not all people were guilty of it!

When will you stop trying to justify your error?

As soon as you stop trying to be my uninvited spritual guide. I won't hold my breath though.

 

[woobadooba]

As soon as you stop trying to be my uninvited spritual guide. I won't hold my breath though.

I've said what I had to say to you, and from your response, especially this one, it is quite clear that you are not teachable.

So your blood is on your own hands.

 

[woobadooba]

You do not understand what carnality is. Carnality is mans animalistic instincts.

You do not understand what I meant.

You don't have to respond to this question in a post, but it should make my point clearer if you are willing to listen:

Why are we carnal?

 

[ScottBot]

I've said what I had to say to you, and from your response, especially this one, it is quite clear that you are not teachable.

So your blood is on your own hands.

I am quite teachable. I just don't want you for a teacher. My blood is in Jesus' capable hands, thank you very much.