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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

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2 Cor 6:2


For He says:
“In an acceptable time I have heard you,
And in the day of salvation I have helped you.”
Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Today is the day of salvation, today if we hear His voice do not harden our heart in rebellion, sin and disobedience. Heb3:7-19 We have no idea what tomorrow brings.

This has nothing to do with the day being the Sabbath, its the day of Salvation which we should accept God as our Lord and Savior TODAY and turn from our sin and rebellion from Him TODAY= rebellion is not subjecting ourselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8 depending on what we feel is right and wrong instead of what God says.
 
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2 Cor 6:2


For He says:
“In an acceptable time I have heard you,
And in the day of salvation I have helped you.”
Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Today is the day of salvation, today if we hear His voice do not harden our heart in rebellion, sin and disobedience. Heb3:7-19 We have no idea what tomorrow brings.

This has nothing to do with the day being the Sabbath, its the day of Salvation which we should accept God as our Lord and Savior TODAY and turn from our sin and rebellion from Him TODAY= rebellion is not subjecting ourselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8 depending on what we feel is right and wrong instead of what God says.

Yes, we turn from our works, we enter his rest :doh:
 
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The whole argument of Hebrews 4 is STILL keeping the sabbath and not doing it is linked to disobedience where you will "perish".
Actually that is not the case. The chapter begins with “therefore” so you have to read chapter 3 to understand what the conclusion that prompted the therefore is.

“Take care, brothers and sisters, that there will not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. But encourage one another every day, as long as it is still called “today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we keep the beginning of our commitment firm until the end, while it is said, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.” For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? And so we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭3‬:‭12‬-‭19‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

This portion of chapter three refers to the dangers of unbelief and disobedience. Those that did not entered the promise land either by dying in the wilderness for unbelief or by being disobedient did not enter His rest.

“Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭1‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Talking to the Hebrew converts about the believer’s rest not about the sabbath rest.


“For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The good news was preached to the Hebrew converts but it did not benefit them because they are not united with those who listen with faith. The law is not of faith (Gal. 3:12). The gospel of good news does not include the law. This was an ongoing argument with the new converts from Judaism in that the law was no longer necessary but the Jews considered the law as part of their identity and culture (read Acts 21).

“For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My anger, They certainly shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

What is that rest? The same one talked about at the beginning of the chapter which is the believer’s rest not the sabbath rest. Any Jew could observe the sabbath and enter into the sabbath rest but the quote from Psalm 95 makes it clear the it is different rest.

“For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this passage, “They certainly shall not enter My rest.””
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Look at the contrast. The writer clearly refers to the sabbath rest in the first part of the verse and then states that they are not going to enter such rest. Why would that be if any Jews could observe the sabbath? The temple was not destroyed yet so they could just go to the temple on the seventh day. No one is going to enter the believers rest unless they have accepted the gospel of good news and has faith.

“Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

This verse goes back to those that did not enter into the promise land depicted at the end of chapter three. They rejected the good news because if their disobedience and lack of faith as the previous verse teaches. See the use of the word “therefore” again?

“He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

So a new day is set, today. There is urgency in accepting the gospel of good news and not continuing on the law. There is another issue here that the writer of Hebrews discusses in the next chapter that is also relevant here. The new converts remained uneducated about the gospel of good news (on milk instead of solid foods) hence still attempting to keep the law. Joshua (not Christ) walked the rest of Israel into the promise land but still did not give them rest even though he carried the law with him. There is now a different rest.

“Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭9‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The mention of the sabbath rest here is a shadow of the actual sabbath rest as evidenced by the previous verses. Joshua entered the promise land with the law at hand but did not provided them rest. Then those that do enter His rest, the believers rest, has rested from his works which here is the works of the law. Look at the sentence construction here. The fist part of the verse mentions a sabbath rest left but the second part of the post only mentions His rest which is consistent with the chapter so far talking about a believers rest.

“Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Notice here that it is THAT rest not the sabbath rest that we are to enter. The rest that we have to enter is the believers rest that we enter by faith. It even exhorts us to be careful not to follow the example of those listed at the bottom of chapter three that did not enter the promise land because of their lack of faith and disobedience.


It comes down to this, you have to ignore this chapter in order to say keeping the sabbath doesn't matter.
Not really. You have to read the chapter in context. Remember that when the Bible was written there were no chapters or verse numbers so you have to read the reason for the conclusion in what is now chapter 4 by following the thread from chapter 3.
That is picking and choosing what you want to follow and accept. Using God's grace, or sacrifice on the cross to argue against Hebrews 4 is misunderstanding what God did and what he still expects from us. The scriptural truth has to incorporate all teachings and verses while not ignoring a single point or verse. This is why understanding context matters. The context of Hebrews 4 is obedience vs disobedience. When you introduce concepts like grace, resting in Jesus, and justification, the context of those concepts are different.
Yep. Context does indeed matter.
Resting in Jesus :
Matthew 11:28-29: "Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls."

The context: Is talking about a general practice of seeking rest in Him for everyday trials and tribulations because the Lord can handle it. That's not the same context of the sabbath where you are required to not work. One is dealing with literal work/labor (ie: a job), the other is dealing with the souls need for peace.
The problem with this interpretation is that the actual purpose of the sabbath commandment was not really to just don’t work that day but to reserve a day to worship. The cultural and historical context shows that life during and before biblical times was hard as a result of Adam’s sin (Gen 3:17). Most people would work seven days a week and not have time to worship God. Jesus rest now wants us to worship Him TODAY not just on Saturday. His yoke is easy because we are no longer under the toils of the law.
Grace:
Ephesians 2:8-9: For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

The concept is, that even if we were the most obedient people on the planet, we need God's grace to forgive us from the disobedience that we've done. And since not following the sabbath is "disobedience" according to Hebrews 4, we need God's grace to forgive us of that. But then Paul argues that we don't continue in disobedience so that Grace may increase:
No works are necessary for salvation. Good works flow naturally from saving faith. The law no longer is our guardian because faith has arrived and Jesus nailed the law to the cross.
Romans 6:1-2: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

So since we aren't supposed to continually live in sin (sin = disobedience 1 John 3:4), and since Jesus calls us to continue in obedience (John 14:15), we are still called to follow the Sabbath. Not doing so equals disobedience which equals death because that's not abiding in the vine (John 15:4) and are not apart of him (1 John 2:4).
“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Why is there no longer condemnation for those in Christ? Why was the law weak? Why did the law of the Spirit in Christ set us free free from the law of sin? You have to factor these into your understanding. Paul is not bipolar defending the law in one place and then teaching that we are no longer under the law in another place. Your interpretation causes quite a bit of scriptural tension.
 
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Trying to interpret Hebrews 4 from a NT perspective one will get totally lost and come to the wrong conclusion. Hebrews 4 has at least 4 OT references in a small passage (David, the wildernesses, Joshua, what God said) and if one doesn't know what these references are will come to their own conclusions instead of allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture and miss this passage.

Hebrews 4 speaks of two different rests, not one. The rest Christ gives that we enter in through faith and obedience and the Sabbath rest which is on the seventh day thus saith the Lord Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11

Those who enter Christ's rest ALSO rest from their works Heb 4:10 as God did on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11 because God's people are followers of Christ, not made to do something different.

If God was going to change one of His commandments it would be just as clear as how He gave it, written out plainly given. God already promised He would not change His commandments Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19
 
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Hebrews 4 speaks of two different rests, not one. The rest Christ gives that we enter in through faith and obedience and the Sabbath rest which is on the seventh day thus saith the Lord Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11

You have to read Hebrews 4:7-10 a few more times. Read it slowly.

There is a day of rest. Meaning one, not two.

If God was going to change one of His commandments it would be just as clear as how He gave it, written out plainly given. God already promised He would not change His commandments Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19
Nothing is changed. I’m telling you you’re using the wrong calendar.
 
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You have to read Hebrews 4:7-10 a few more times. Read it slowly.

There is a day of rest. Meaning one, not two.
Heb4:10 speaks of two rests not one Heb4:10 why the word "also" is used which means in addition. I can also show you the Greek definitions which are not the same rest throughout this entire passage.

Heb 4: 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

When did God cease from His works? Lets let Scripture interpret Scripture this very passage tells us

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

The seventh day is the Sabbath thus saith the Lord Exo20:10

So he who has entered His rest also keep the seventh day Sabbath.

In Christ rest's there is no rebellion to His commandments including the 4th commandment Isa48:18 God's version, not mans edited one.
 
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Actually that is not the case. The chapter begins with “therefore” so you have to read chapter 3 to understand what the conclusion that prompted the therefore is.

“Take care, brothers and sisters, that there will not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. But encourage one another every day, as long as it is still called “today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we keep the beginning of our commitment firm until the end, while it is said, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.” For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? And so we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭3‬:‭12‬-‭19‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

This portion of chapter three refers to the dangers of unbelief and disobedience. Those that did not entered the promise land either by dying in the wilderness for unbelief or by being disobedient did not enter His rest.

“Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭1‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Talking to the Hebrew converts about the believer’s rest not about the sabbath rest.


“For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The good news was preached to the Hebrew converts but it did not benefit them because they are not united with those who listen with faith. The law is not of faith (Gal. 3:12). The gospel of good news does not include the law. This was an ongoing argument with the new converts from Judaism in that the law was no longer necessary but the Jews considered the law as part of their identity and culture (read Acts 21).

“For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My anger, They certainly shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

What is that rest? The same one talked about at the beginning of the chapter which is the believer’s rest not the sabbath rest. Any Jew could observe the sabbath and enter into the sabbath rest but the quote from Psalm 95 makes it clear the it is different rest.

“For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this passage, “They certainly shall not enter My rest.””
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Look at the contrast. The writer clearly refers to the sabbath rest in the first part of the verse and then states that they are not going to enter such rest. Why would that be if any Jews could observe the sabbath? The temple was not destroyed yet so they could just go to the temple on the seventh day. No one is going to enter the believers rest unless they have accepted the gospel of good news and has faith.

“Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

This verse goes back to those that did not enter into the promise land depicted at the end of chapter three. They rejected the good news because if their disobedience and lack of faith as the previous verse teaches. See the use of the word “therefore” again?

“He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

So a new day is set, today. There is urgency in accepting the gospel of good news and not continuing on the law. There is another issue here that the writer of Hebrews discusses in the next chapter that is also relevant here. The new converts remained uneducated about the gospel of good news (on milk instead of solid foods) hence still attempting to keep the law. Joshua (not Christ) walked the rest of Israel into the promise land but still did not give them rest even though he carried the law with him. There is now a different rest.

“Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭9‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The mention of the sabbath rest here is a shadow of the actual sabbath rest as evidenced by the previous verses. Joshua entered the promise land with the law at hand but did not provided them rest. Then those that do enter His rest, the believers rest, has rested from his works which here is the works of the law. Look at the sentence construction here. The fist part of the verse mentions a sabbath rest left but the second part of the post only mentions His rest which is consistent with the chapter so far talking about a believers rest.

“Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Notice here that it is THAT rest not the sabbath rest that we are to enter. The rest that we have to enter is the believers rest that we enter by faith. It even exhorts us to be careful not to follow the example of those listed at the bottom of chapter three that did not enter the promise land because of their lack of faith and disobedience.



Not really. You have to read the chapter in context. Remember that when the Bible was written there were no chapters or verse numbers so you have to read the reason for the conclusion in what is now chapter 4 by following the thread from chapter 3.

Yep. Context does indeed matter.

The problem with this interpretation is that the actual purpose of the sabbath commandment was not really to just don’t work that day but to reserve a day to worship. The cultural and historical context shows that life during and before biblical times was hard as a result of Adam’s sin (Gen 3:17). Most people would work seven days a week and not have time to worship God. Jesus rest now wants us to worship Him TODAY not just on Saturday. His yoke is easy because we are no longer under the toils of the law.

No works are necessary for salvation. Good works flow naturally from saving faith. The law no longer is our guardian because faith has arrived and Jesus nailed the law to the cross.

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Why is there no longer condemnation for those in Christ? Why was the law weak? Why did the law of the Spirit in Christ set us free free from the law of sin? You have to factor these into your understanding. Paul is not bipolar defending the law in one place and then teaching that we are no longer under the law in another place. Your interpretation causes quite a bit of scriptural tension.

1 John 2:22

Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:19

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

The schism was about, who accepted Christ or not, that is, who entered into his rest or not. Not whether a particular weekday was observed or not.
 
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Heb4:10 speaks of two rests not one Heb4:10 why the word "also" is used which means in addition. I can also show you the Greek definitions which are not the same rest throughout this entire passage.

Heb 4: 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

When did God cease from His works? Lets let Scripture interpret Scripture this very passage tells us

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

The seventh day is the Sabbath thus saith the Lord Exo20:10

So he who has entered His rest also keep the seventh day Sabbath.

In Christ rest's there is no rebellion to His commandments including the 4th commandment Isa48:18 God's version, not mans edited one.

Right, it’s plainly stated that to enter God’s Sabbath you have to accept Christ. There has never been any other condition.
 
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Right, it’s plainly stated that to enter God’s Sabbath you have to accept Christ. There has never been any other condition.
You added the word Sabbath in this rest, when God's Word did not. The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke23:56 Christ rest we enter through faith and obedience, those with disobedience never entered His rest Heb4:6 which I showed by Scripture Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath why we are told not to follow in that same path of disobedience Heb4:11to enter into ours Rev22:14
 
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You added the word Sabbath in this rest, when God's Word did not. The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke23:56 Christ rest we enter through faith and obedience, those with disobedience never entered His rest Heb4:6 which I showed by Scripture Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath why we are told not to follow in that same path of disobedience Heb4:11to enter into ours Rev22:14

The path of disobedience is denying Christ. Which is what the Jews were/are doing. They were keeping the shadow of the Law, not the commandments of God, which is faith in Christ.

Christ is mentioned in the first chapters of the Bible. There has never been a time when Christ was not preached. Paul is making this painstakingly clear. They perished because of lack of faith in Christ.
 
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Trying to interpret Hebrews 4 from a NT perspective one will get totally lost and come to the wrong conclusion.
Trying to interpret Heb. 4 reading your pet doctrine into it will lead you to the wrong conclusion.
 
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And no I didn’t add anything. You wrote yourself:

Heb 4: 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

When did God enter His rest? On the seventh day. When do we enter the same rest? On the acceptable day of the Lord.
 
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The path of disobedience is denying Christ. Which is what the Jews were/are doing. They were keeping the shadow of the Law, not the commandments of God, which is faith in Christ.

Christ is mentioned in the first chapters of the Bible. There has never been a time when Christ was not preached. Paul is making this painstakingly clear. They perished because of lack of faith in Christ.
Disobedience is breaking the commandments and sinning1John3:4 James2:11- anyone can say Lord Lord Mat7:21-23 Luke6:46-48 but our actions shows if our faith is genuine or not.
 
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And no I didn’t add anything. You wrote yourself:

Heb 4: 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

When did God enter His rest? On the seventh day. When do we enter the same rest? On the acceptable day of the Lord.
It doesn;t say "God entered His rest" on the seventh day, it says “he” who has enter God’s rest also ceased from his works as God did on the seventh day. Lets not add whats not there
 
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It doesn;t say "God entered His rest" on the seventh day. It says God ceased from His works on the seventh day. Lets not add whats not there

That’s exactly the same ^_^ Ceasing from work is taking a rest :doh:
 
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That’s exactly the same ^_^ Ceasing from work is taking a rest :doh:
Its two different meanings in God's rest there is no disobedience, just peace Isa48:18 why those enter do so by faith and they obey God. Heb4:2,6

Those who enter also (means they are doing something in addition) they also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11

But believe as you wish. All I am doing is trying to help with the warning in this passage is trying to tell us, if one wishes not to hear it Heb3:7-19 Psa95:7-14 like those who came before us we are told not to follow Heb4:11, well that will get sorted out in God's time.
 
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Its two different meanings in God's rest there is no disobedience, just peace Isa48:18 why those enter do so by faith and they obey God. Heb4:2,6

Those who enter also (means they are doing something in addition) they also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11

There is only one prerequisite on how we enter the rest. If you enter the rest, you also cease from the works :doh:

But believe as you wish. All I am doing is trying to help with the warning in this passage is trying to tell us, if one wishes not to hear it Heb3:7-19 Psa95:7-14 like those who came before us we are told not to follow Heb4:11, well that will get sorted out in God's time.
I’m telling you, the commandment is to have faith in Christ as Lord of lords and King of kings. This is how we enter God’s rest - the Seventh day on which he rested. If you keep the commandments of the Law and miss this part, you are, basically, committing idolatry and defiling the Sabbath.
 
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So here is a puzzle for you:

In what day did the thief on the cross enter paradise? Christ clearly said, “today”, and yet, it was the day before the Sabbath. Or was it? Did the women who came after enter the Sabbath by their works, or by their faith? Will their works count to them as righteousness, or their faith?
 
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