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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

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Sure it does . It s typical legalist hermeneutics.
when people argue against the Sabbath commandment claiming it would be legalism to obey God's commandment, and when they argue against the command that says not to make images and bow down before them and offer to serve them... saying that to do as God says is "legalism" they miss the fact that we all know "do not take God's name in vain" should be obeyed also , just as it says, even though it is never quoted in the NT.

This detail keeps coming up

Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today (including the Sabbath Commandment in the TEN, though they edit it in many case to point to week day 1)


[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul
[*]many others as well..
 
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I am going to try to be polite here, please forgive me if I am not. You might want to research things before you share. A lot of responsibility falls on us when we share things that are not true.
First off The Masoretic Text is the Hebrew text used in all translations. However Some use the LXX or consider it in their translation. Here is the verse in question from the Masorectic. The word if in the Hebrew is clearly there but there is difficulties in translating it and it being understood..

It can be translated from the Hebrew to IF as seen below from the BDB and OHAL. And it has been translated to Not and a few other words as seen below in the KJV concordance at the end.

Ps 95:11 אֲשֶׁר־ Therefore נִשְׁבַּ֥עְתִּי Unto whom I sware בְ·אַפִּ֑·י in my wrath אִם־ IF יְ֝בֹא֗וּ·ן that they should not enter אֶל־ into מְנוּחָתִֽ·י׃ into my rest
אִם

BDB citation:
- Original: אם
- Transliteration: 'im
- Phonetic: eem
- Definition:
1. if
a. conditional clauses
1. of possible situations
2. of impossible situations
b. oath contexts
1. no, not
c. if...if, whether...or, whether...or...or
d. when, whenever
e. since
f. interrogative particle
g. but rather
- Origin: a primitive particle


From the Open Hebrew Analytical Lexicon:
אִם conj: if
אִם [H518] conj: if, that if
conjunction

However, there is only one way to translate the Greek correctly to which the New Testament is from. Both the Byzantine Text type and the Alexandrian read the same in respect to the word in question. First the TR from of the Byzantine text type.

Heb 4:5 καὶ And ἐν In τούτῳ This ' Place ' πάλιν Again Εἰ If εἰσελεύσονται They Shall Enter εἰς Into τὴν κατάπαυσίν μου My Rest.

Here is the WH from the Alexandrian:
Heb 4:5 και εν τουτω παλιν ει εισελευσονται εις την καταπαυσιν μου

Here is how the word in question is defined. First from Thayer then from Strongs.

- Original: εἰ
- Transliteration: Ei
- Phonetic: i
- Definition:
1. if, whether
- Origin: a primary particle of conditionality
- TDNT entry: None
- Part(s) of speech: Conjunction

- Strong's: A primary particle of conditionality;
if whether that etc.: - forasmuch as if that ([al-]) though whether. Often used in connection or composition with other particles especially as in G1489 G1490 G1499 G1508 G1509 G1512 G1513 G1536 and G1537. See also G1437.

So why translate the Hebrew from Psalm 95 that way? Because when the writer thought of Psalm 95 HE thought of the Greek LXX which translates the Hebrew the same way as does the TR. Here is that translation. I will put the The TR and the WH below it so you can see for yourself.

The LXX:
Ps 95:11 ὡς ὤμοσα ἐν τῇ ὀργῇ μου Εἰ εἰσελεύσονται εἰς τὴν κατάπαυσίν μου.

The TR: Heb 4:5 καὶ And ἐν In τούτῳ This ' Place ' πάλιν Again Εἰ If εἰσελεύσονται They Shall Enter εἰς Into τὴν κατάπαυσίν μου My Rest.

Here is the WH from the Alexandrian:
Heb 4:5 και εν τουτω παλιν ει εισελευσονται εις την καταπαυσιν μου

As was said you are using a bad translation. We will address the rest of your post as time allows. I owed it to you and everyone else to at least get this out. Have a nice evening


KJV CONCORDANCE:
אם
'im
eem
Total KJV Occurrences: 999
• about, 1
1Kgs 20:6

• Also, 1
Job 36:29

• and, 4
Job 1:11; Job 2:5; Jer 5:9; Ezek 44:10

• but, 89
Gen 15:4; Gen 24:38; Gen 28:17; Gen 32:28; Gen 35:10; Gen 39:9; Gen 40:14; Gen 47:18; Exod 12:9; Lev 21:2; Lev 21:14; Num 26:33; Num 35:33; Deut 7:5; Deut 10:12; Deut 12:5; Deut 12:14; Deut 12:18; Deut 16:6; Josh 17:3; Josh 23:8; 1Sam 2:15; 1Sam 8:19; 1Sam 21:4; 1Sam 21:6; 2Sam 19:28; 2Sam 21:2; 1Kgs 8:19; 1Kgs 17:1; 1Kgs 17:12; 1Kgs 18:18; 1Kgs 22:8; 1Kgs 22:18; 2Kgs 5:15; 2Kgs 5:17; 2Kgs 5:20; 2Kgs 7:10; 2Kgs 10:23; 2Kgs 13:7; 2Kgs 14:6; 2Kgs 17:36; 2Kgs 17:39; 2Kgs 17:40; 2Kgs 19:18; 2Kgs 23:9; 2Kgs 23:23; 1Chr 2:34; 1Chr 15:2; 1Chr 23:22; 2Chr 18:17; Neh 2:2; Esth 2:15; Esth 5:12; Ps 1:2; Ps 1:4; Prov 18:2; Eccl 3:12; Isa 33:21; Isa 37:19; Isa 42:19; Isa 55:10; Isa 55:11; Isa 59:2; Isa 65:6; Isa 65:18; Jer 3:10; Jer 7:23; Jer 7:32; Jer 9:24; Jer 16:15; Jer 19:6; Jer 20:3; Jer 23:8; Jer 31:30; Jer 38:4; Jer 38:6; Jer 39:12; Jer 44:14; Lam 5:22; Ezek 12:23; Ezek 33:11; Ezek 36:22; Ezek 44:22; Ezek 44:25; Dan 10:21; Amos 3:7; Amos 8:11; Mic 6:8; Zech 4:6

• can, 4
2Sam 19:35(2); Prov 6:28; Jer 23:24

• cannot, 1
1Sam 17:55

• doth, 1
Prov 27:24

• Doubtless, 1
Num 14:30

• Either, 1
1Chr 21:12

• else, 2
Gen 42:16; 1Chr 21:12

• even, 1
Joel 1:2

• except, 13
Gen 32:26; Gen 42:15; Gen 44:23; Deut 32:30; Josh 7:12; 2Sam 3:13; 2Sam 5:6; 2Kgs 4:24; Esth 2:14; Ps 127:1(2); Prov 4:16; Amos 3:3

• for, 4
2Sam 13:33; Job 42:8; Jer 22:17; Jer 48:27

• furthermore, 1
1Sam 26:10

• I, 1
Num 10:30

• if, 590
Gen 4:7(2); Gen 13:9(2); Gen 13:16; Gen 15:5; Gen 18:3; Gen 18:21; Gen 18:26; Gen 18:28; Gen 18:30; Gen 20:7; Gen 23:8; Gen 23:13; Gen 24:8; Gen 24:41; Gen 24:42; Gen 24:49(2); Gen 25:22; Gen 27:46; Gen 28:20; Gen 30:27; Gen 30:31; Gen 31:8(2); Gen 31:50(2); Gen 32:8; Gen 33:10; Gen 34:15; Gen 34:17; Gen 42:19; Gen 42:37; Gen 43:4; Gen 43:5; Gen 43:9; Gen 43:11; Gen 44:26; Gen 44:32; Gen 47:6; Gen 47:16; Gen 47:29; Gen 50:4; Exod 1:16(2); Exod 4:8; Exod 4:9; Exod 8:2; Exod 8:21; Exod 9:2; Exod 10:4; Exod 12:4; Exod 13:13; Exod 15:26; Exod 18:23; Exod 19:5; Exod 20:25; Exod 21:3(2); Exod 21:4; Exod 21:5; Exod 21:8; Exod 21:9; Exod 21:10; Exod 21:11; Exod 21:19; Exod 21:21; Exod 21:23; Exod 21:27; Exod 21:29; Exod 21:30; Exod 21:32; Exod 22:2; Exod 22:3(2); Exod 22:4; Exod 22:7; Exod 22:8; Exod 22:12; Exod 22:13; Exod 22:15(2); Exod 22:17; Exod 22:23; Exod 22:25; Exod 22:26; Exod 23:22; Exod 29:34; Exod 32:32(2); Exod 33:13; Exod 33:15; Exod 34:9; Exod 34:20; Exod 40:37; Lev 1:3; Lev 1:10; Lev 1:14; Lev 2:5; Lev 2:7; Lev 2:14; Lev 3:1(2); Lev 3:6; Lev 3:7; Lev 3:12; Lev 4:3; Lev 4:13; Lev 4:27; Lev 4:32; Lev 5:1; Lev 5:7; Lev 5:11; Lev 5:17; Lev 6:28; Lev 7:12; Lev 7:16; Lev 7:18; Lev 12:5; Lev 12:8; Lev 13:4; Lev 13:7; Lev 13:12; Lev 13:21; Lev 13:22; Lev 13:23; Lev 13:26; Lev 13:27; Lev 13:28; Lev 13:35; Lev 13:37; Lev 13:53; Lev 13:56; Lev 13:57; Lev 14:21; Lev 14:43; Lev 14:48; Lev 15:23; Lev 15:24; Lev 15:28; Lev 17:16; Lev 19:7; Lev 20:4; Lev 25:28; Lev 25:30; Lev 25:51; Lev 25:52; Lev 25:54; Lev 26:3; Lev 26:14; Lev 26:15(2); Lev 26:18; Lev 26:21; Lev 26:23; Lev 26:27; Lev 27:4; Lev 27:5; Lev 27:6; Lev 27:7(2); Lev 27:8; Lev 27:9; Lev 27:10; Lev 27:11; Lev 27:13; Lev 27:15; Lev 27:16; Lev 27:17; Lev 27:18; Lev 27:19; Lev 27:20(2); Lev 27:22; Lev 27:27(2); Lev 27:31; Lev 27:33; Num 5:8; Num 5:19(2); Num 5:27; Num 5:28; Num 10:4; Num 11:15(2); Num 12:6; Num 14:8; Num 15:24; Num 15:27; Num 16:29; Num 16:30; Num 19:12; Num 20:19; Num 21:2; Num 21:9; Num 22:18; Num 22:20; Num 22:34; Num 24:13; Num 27:9; Num 27:10; Num 27:11; Num 30:5; Num 30:6; Num 30:8; Num 30:10; Num 30:12; Num 30:14; Num 30:15; Num 32:5; Num 32:20(2); Num 32:23; Num 32:29; Num 32:30; Num 33:55; Num 35:16; Num 35:17; Num 35:20; Num 35:22; Num 35:26; Deut 5:25; Deut 8:19; Deut 11:13; Deut 11:22; Deut 11:28; Deut 15:5; Deut 19:8; Deut 20:11; Deut 20:12; Deut 21:14; Deut 22:2; Deut 22:20; Deut 22:25; Deut 24:12; Deut 25:2; Deut 25:7; Deut 28:1; Deut 28:15; Deut 28:58; Deut 30:4; Deut 30:17; Deut 32:41; Josh 2:14; Josh 2:19; Josh 2:20; Josh 17:15; Josh 22:19; Josh 22:22(2); Josh 22:23(2); Josh 22:24; Josh 23:12; Josh 24:15; Judg 4:8(2); Judg 6:17; Judg 6:31; Judg 6:36; Judg 6:37; Judg 7:10; Judg 9:15(2); Judg 9:16(2); Judg 9:19; Judg 9:20; Judg 11:9; Judg 11:10; Judg 11:30; Judg 13:16; Judg 14:12; Judg 14:13; Judg 16:7; Judg 16:11; Judg 16:13; Judg 16:17; Judg 21:21; Ruth 3:13(2); Ruth 4:4(2); 1Sam 1:11; 1Sam 2:16; 1Sam 2:25(2); 1Sam 3:9; 1Sam 3:17; 1Sam 6:3; 1Sam 6:9(2); 1Sam 7:3; 1Sam 11:3; 1Sam 12:14; 1Sam 12:15; 1Sam 12:25; 1Sam 14:9; 1Sam 14:10; 1Sam 17:9(2); 1Sam 19:11; 1Sam 20:6; 1Sam 20:7(2); 1Sam 20:8; 1Sam 20:9; 1Sam 20:21; 1Sam 20:22; 1Sam 20:29; 1Sam 21:4; 1Sam 21:9; 1Sam 23:23; 1Sam 25:22; 1Sam 26:19(2); 1Sam 27:5; 2Sam 3:35; 2Sam 10:11(2); 2Sam 11:20; 2Sam 12:8; 2Sam 14:32; 2Sam 15:8; 2Sam 15:25; 2Sam 15:26; 2Sam 15:33; 2Sam 15:34; 2Sam 17:6; 2Sam 17:13; 2Sam 18:3(2); 2Sam 18:25; 2Sam 19:13; 1Kgs 1:52(2); 1Kgs 2:4; 1Kgs 3:14; 1Kgs 6:12; 1Kgs 9:4; 1Kgs 9:6; 1Kgs 11:38; 1Kgs 12:7; 1Kgs 12:27; 1Kgs 13:8; 1Kgs 18:21(2); 1Kgs 20:10; 1Kgs 20:39; 1Kgs 21:2; 1Kgs 21:6; 1Kgs 22:28; 2Kgs 1:10; 2Kgs 1:12; 2Kgs 2:10(2); 2Kgs 6:31; 2Kgs 7:4(4); 2Kgs 9:15; 2Kgs 10:6; 2Kgs 18:23; 2Kgs 20:19; 2Kgs 21:8; 1Chr 12:17(2); 1Chr 13:2; 1Chr 19:12(2); 1Chr 22:13; 1Chr 28:7; 1Chr 28:9(2); 2Chr 6:22; 2Chr 6:24; 2Chr 7:13; 2Chr 7:17; 2Chr 7:19; 2Chr 10:7; 2Chr 15:2(2); 2Chr 18:27; 2Chr 20:9; 2Chr 25:8; 2Chr 30:9; Neh 2:5(2); Neh 2:7; Neh 4:3; Neh 13:21; Esth 1:19; Esth 3:9; Esth 4:14; Esth 5:4; Esth 5:8(2); Esth 6:13; Esth 7:3(2); Esth 8:5(2); Esth 9:13; Job 6:28; Job 8:4; Job 8:5; Job 8:6; Job 8:18; Job 9:3; Job 9:16; Job 9:19(2); Job 9:20; Job 9:23; Job 9:24; Job 9:27; Job 9:30; Job 10:14; Job 10:15; Job 11:10; Job 11:13; Job 11:14; Job 13:10; Job 14:7; Job 14:14; Job 17:13; Job 19:5; Job 21:4; Job 22:23; Job 24:25; Job 27:14; Job 31:5; Job 31:7; Job 31:9; Job 31:13; Job 31:16; Job 31:19; Job 31:20; Job 31:21; Job 31:24; Job 31:25; Job 31:26; Job 31:29; Job 31:31; Job 31:33; Job 31:38; Job 31:39; Job 33:5; Job 33:23; Job 33:32; Job 33:33; Job 34:14; Job 34:16; Job 34:32; Job 35:6; Job 35:7; Job 36:8; Job 36:11; Job 36:12; Job 37:20; Job 38:4; Job 38:18; Ps 7:3(2); Ps 7:4; Ps 7:12; Ps 41:6; Ps 44:20; Ps 50:12; Ps 59:15; Ps 66:18; Ps 73:15; Ps 81:8; Ps 89:30; Ps 89:31; Ps 90:10; Ps 95:7; Ps 130:3; Ps 132:12; Ps 137:5; Ps 137:6(2); Ps 139:8; Ps 139:24; Prov 1:10; Prov 1:11; Prov 2:1; Prov 2:3; Prov 2:4; Prov 3:30; Prov 6:1; Prov 9:12; Prov 19:19; Prov 22:27; Prov 23:2; Prov 23:15; Prov 24:11; Prov 25:21(2); Prov 30:32(2); Eccl 4:10; Eccl 4:11; Eccl 4:12; Eccl 5:8; Eccl 6:3; Eccl 10:4; Eccl 10:10; Eccl 11:3(2); Eccl 11:8; Song 1:8; Song 5:8; Song 7:12; Song 8:7; Song 8:9(2); Isa 1:19; Isa 1:20; Isa 7:9; Isa 8:20; Isa 21:12; Isa 36:8; Isa 58:9; Isa 58:13; Jer 2:28; Jer 4:1(2); Jer 5:1(2); Jer 7:5(2); Jer 12:16; Jer 12:17; Jer 13:17; Jer 14:18(2); Jer 15:19(2); Jer 17:24; Jer 17:27; Jer 22:4; Jer 22:5; Jer 23:22; Jer 26:4; Jer 26:15; Jer 27:18(2); Jer 31:36; Jer 31:37; Jer 33:20; Jer 33:25; Jer 38:17; Jer 38:18; Jer 38:21; Jer 40:4(2); Jer 42:5; Jer 42:10; Jer 42:13; Jer 42:15; Jer 49:9(2); Lam 1:12; Ezek 20:39; Ezek 21:13; Ezek 43:11; Joel 3:4; Amos 3:4; Amos 6:9; Obad 1:5(3); Mic 5:8; Nah 3:12; Hag 2:13; Zech 3:7(2); Zech 6:15; Zech 11:12(2); Zech 14:18; Mal 1:6(2); Mal 2:2(2); Mal 3:10

• neither, 4
1Sam 30:15; Jer 38:16; Ezek 14:16; Ezek 14:20

• Nevertheless, 1
Num 24:22

• no, 4
1Sam 28:10; 1Kgs 18:10; Isa 62:8; Jer 44:26

• nor, 9
1Sam 30:15; 2Kgs 3:14; Neh 13:25; Job 27:4; Ps 132:3; Song 2:7; Song 3:5; Ezek 14:16; Ezek 14:20

• not, 26
Gen 14:23(2); 1Sam 3:14; 1Sam 14:45; 1Sam 19:6; 1Sam 25:34; 2Sam 14:11; 2Sam 19:7; 1Kgs 1:51; 1Kgs 2:8; 1Kgs 17:1; 1Kgs 17:12; 2Kgs 2:2; 2Kgs 2:4; 2Kgs 2:6; 2Kgs 4:30; Neh 13:25; Job 27:4; Ps 89:35; Ps 132:4; Isa 62:8; Jer 38:16; Ezek 16:48; Ezek 18:3; Ezek 20:3; Ezek 20:31

• Of, 1
1Sam 21:5

• only, 1
2Chr 2:6

• or, 57
Gen 24:21; Gen 27:21; Gen 30:1; Gen 37:8; Gen 37:32; Exod 16:4; Exod 17:7; Exod 19:13; Lev 3:1; Lev 27:26; Num 11:22; Num 11:23; Num 13:18; Num 13:19(2); Num 13:20(2); Deut 8:2; Deut 18:3; Josh 5:13; Josh 24:15; Judg 2:22; Judg 9:2; Judg 11:25; Judg 20:28; Ruth 3:10; 2Sam 15:21; 2Sam 19:42; 2Sam 20:20; 2Sam 24:13(2); 1Kgs 22:6; 1Kgs 22:15; 2Kgs 20:9; 1Chr 21:12; 2Chr 18:5; 2Chr 18:14; Job 6:5; Job 6:6; Job 7:12; Job 8:3; Job 10:4; Job 13:9; Job 22:3; Job 37:13(2); Job 39:9; Job 39:10; Job 39:13; Eccl 5:12; Eccl 11:3; Isa 49:24; Isa 50:2; Jer 14:22; Ezek 15:3; Ezek 22:14; Amos 6:2

• pleasure, 1
Ezek 33:11

• save, 14
Gen 39:6; Num 14:30; Num 26:65; Josh 14:4; Judg 7:14; 1Sam 30:17; 1Sam 30:22; 2Sam 12:3; 1Kgs 22:31; 2Kgs 4:2; 2Chr 18:30; 2Chr 21:17; 2Chr 23:6; Neh 2:12

• saving, 1
Eccl 5:11

• Seeing, 1
Job 14:5

• should, 1
Job 11:2

• since, 1
Jer 23:38

• sith, 1
Ezek 35:6

• surely, 36
Num 14:23; Num 14:35; Num 32:11; Deut 1:35; Josh 14:9; 2Sam 15:21; 1Kgs 20:23; 1Kgs 20:25; 2Kgs 9:26; Job 31:36; Ps 131:2; Ps 132:3; Ps 139:19; Prov 3:34; Prov 23:18; Eccl 10:11; Isa 14:24; Isa 22:14; Isa 29:16; Jer 22:6; Jer 49:20(2); Jer 50:45(2); Jer 51:14; Ezek 3:6; Ezek 5:11; Ezek 17:16; Ezek 17:19; Ezek 20:33; Ezek 33:27; Ezek 34:8; Ezek 36:5; Ezek 36:7; Ezek 38:19; Amos 8:7

• than, 2
2Kgs 9:35; Eccl 8:15

• that, 16
Gen 26:29; Gen 31:52(2); Gen 47:18; Exod 22:11; Deut 24:1; Ruth 3:12; 1Sam 24:6; 1Sam 24:21(2); 2Sam 20:20; 1Kgs 8:25; 1Chr 4:10; 2Chr 33:8; Job 27:5; Ps 95:11

• though, 39
Judg 13:16; Judg 15:7; 1Sam 14:39; Neh 1:9; Job 9:15; Job 14:8; Job 16:6; Job 20:6; Job 20:12; Job 27:16; Job 30:24; Ps 27:3(2); Ps 68:13; Ps 138:7; Prov 27:22; Eccl 8:17; Isa 1:18(2); Isa 10:22; Jer 2:22; Jer 5:2; Jer 14:7; Jer 15:1; Jer 22:24; Jer 37:10; Lam 3:32; Hos 4:15; Hos 9:12; Amos 5:22; Amos 9:2(2); Amos 9:3(2); Amos 9:4; Obad 1:4(2); Nah 1:12; Hab 2:3

• till, 1
Isa 30:17

• truth, 1
Isa 5:9

• turn, 1
2Sam 14:19

• unless, 2
Lev 22:6; Prov 4:16

• until, 6
Gen 24:19; Gen 24:33; Gen 28:15; Num 32:17; Ruth 2:21; Ruth 3:18

• up, 2
Song 2:7; Song 3:5

• verily, 2
Jer 15:11(2)

• when, 20
Gen 38:9; Num 36:4; Judg 4:20; Judg 6:3; 1Sam 15:17; Job 7:4; Job 17:16; Job 21:6; Ps 50:18; Ps 63:6; Ps 78:34; Ps 94:18; Prov 3:24; Prov 4:12; Prov 24:14; Isa 4:4; Isa 24:13; Isa 28:25; Isa 53:10; Amos 7:2

• Whereas, 1
Job 22:20

• whether, 30
Exod 19:13; Exod 22:8; Lev 3:1; Lev 27:26; Deut 18:3; Josh 24:15; Ruth 3:10; 2Sam 15:21; 1Kgs 20:18(2); 2Kgs 1:2; Ezra 2:59; Neh 7:61; Esth 4:14; Job 37:13; Prov 20:11(2); Eccl 5:12; Eccl 11:6; Eccl 12:14(2); Jer 30:6; Jer 42:6(2); Ezek 2:5(2); Ezek 2:7(2); Ezek 3:11(2)

• while, 1
1Sam 20:14

• yet, 1
Judg 15:7
My friend you don’t have to defend the error in the KJV. The fact is obvious. All other translations do not inject an “if” into the verse and translate the quotation of Psalm 95 correctly. I am not going to argue for or against the KJV. I just merely pointed the obvious. All of us have access to concordances, interlinears, and other linguistic aids so your not the only one. I stand by my post.
 
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when people argue against the Sabbath commandment claiming it would be legalism to obey God's commandment,
It’s legalism to require sabbath keeping for salvation particularly since this commandment has never been given to the gentiles or to the church.
and when they argue against the command that says not to make images and bow down before them and offer to serve them...
Which no one has argued against this commandment nor offered to serve images. That comment is proof positive of your legalism as you accuse others of serving self made images when they don’t agree with your pet doctrine. That’s quite the accusation and strawman.
saying that to do as God says is "legalism" they miss the fact that we all know "do not take God's name in vain" should be obeyed also , just as it says, even though it is never quoted in the NT.
lol More strawman.
This detail keeps coming up
Looking forward to them but keep the theological drama to yourself.
 
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My friend you don’t have to defend the error in the KJV. The fact is obvious. All other translations do not inject an “if” into the verse and translate the quotation of Psalm 95 correctly. I am not going to argue for or against the KJV. I just merely pointed the obvious. All of us have access to concordances, interlinears, and other linguistic aids so your not the only one. I stand by my post.
That is a subjective comment. Read the evidence and address it. Take care
 
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That is a subjective comment. Read the evidence and address it. Take care
Nah. Is direct and to the point. Can you find another mainstream translation that injects the “if” and quotes Psalm 95 incorrectly as the KJV does (Other than the NKJV of course). Oh wait, the NKJV fixed the KJV errors. Go figure.
 
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I believe that every word in the bible is Gods Word, from cover to cover. So I don't have a problem with any of it, but I reject your interpretation of all the scriptures you twisted to force them to say something thewy are not saying. This is to abuse Gods Word.

How did I abuse:

Acts 5: 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

If you are going to make such serious accusations you should at least provide some evidence. Something I said that contradicts what is actually written in scripture. I don't think God is going to just take your word for it, and either should I. Show me where I twisted these or any scriptures so I can be corrected, isn't that the reason for the Holy Scriptures in the first place, at least according to Paul?

2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I asked you why you reject what God has said, but you gave no answer.

But Dan, I absolutely answered your accusation towards me by posting for you who Paul was Speaking about when he said;

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have "before proved" both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

I showed where Paul "before proved" that "They" (whose damnation is just), not "WE" (Church of God) as you assert, but they are all under sin.

Rom. 2: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing "seek for" glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: (Church of God, who Seeks God)

8 "But unto them" that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, ( children of men, who doesn't Seek God)

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every soul of man" that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

But You didn't even address Paul's words at all, as I asked. Nor David's Words that Paul quoted that I asked you to review. You didn't even acknowledge them. And now you are accusing me of not answering your questions.

The Church of God are NOT the men that God, David, Paul and Jesus said refused to Seek Him. Someone has convinced "many" that there is no difference between David and Paul, and the Pharisees. But it wasn't Paul, or David or Jesus or the Holy Scriptures, in my view.

Abel was Righteous, Noah was Righteous, Abraham was righteous, Caleb was righteous, David was righteous. Here is what God teaches about Zacharias, not according some preacher I listened to, but according to the Actual Holy Scriptures. Shall I not believe them?

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both "righteous before God", walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

So according to Peter's Words that I also posted, and were completely ignored, Zacharias should have been given by God, the Holy Spirit, Yes?

Luke 1: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Zacharias actually knew of and believed in the Messiah before HE was even born. While the children of men didn't believe Him when HE was healing people right in front to them.

But there are men that are trying to convince me that Abel's, Noah's, Abraham's, Caleb's, Daniel's, Shadrack's, Simeon's, Cornelius's and even Zacharias's, "mouth is an open sepulechre". That Paul was judging all these faithful obedient men, of never seeking God.

Consider the words of David that Paul quoted;

Ps. 9:9 The LORD also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble. 10 And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken "them that seek thee".

But there are those who will not Seek the Lord.

Ps. 10: 4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will "not seek after God": God is not in all his thoughts.

Ps. 27: 4 One thing have I desired of the LORD, that "will I seek after"; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple.

Ps. 22: 26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD "that seek him": your heart shall live for ever.

Ps. 24: 3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place? 4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully. 5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation. 6 This is the generation of them "that seek him", "that seek thy face", O Jacob. Selah.

Ps. 27: 8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, "will I seek".

Ps. 34: 10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they "that seek the LORD" shall not want any good thing. 11 Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.

Ps. 63: 1 O God, thou art my God; early "will I seek thee": my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;

I could go on and on and on. The teaching that Paul and David, who Paul quoted, is teaching that there is NO ONE that Seeks God, might hold water if a man rejects the entire rest of the Bible.

What I'm saying is that according to what is actually written in scriptures, when all of them are considered, there are "Children of men" who refuse to Seek Him. But there are also those men who believe what Jesus instructed us to do, "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and "his righteousness"; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Paul and Peter and Zacharias, and David and Abraham and Noah and all the Faithful examples God gave us in the Scriptures that make up the Church of God, are not the target of Paul or David or God's teaching. Not because I said so, but because of all the Holy Inspired Words of God, that I posted for men's consideration, said so.

10 As it is written, Ps. 14: 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

5 There were they in great fear: for "God is in" the generation of the righteous.


You resorted to making false allegations about my faith, with zero evidence to support your false accusations.

It was the teaching of the Post that I challenged, as I am instructed to do. It was nothing personal, except that it was your post.

"We can only obey after we are born again and receive the Holy Spirit, and it is the Holy Spirit who leads us and enables us to obey".

God, His Son, the Jesus "of the Bible", James, Peter and Moses, all the Prophets and Paul all refute this religious philosophy when a man considers all of their teaching, in my view. I even posted Peter's own Words in the hope that men might consider them and become "renewed in the spirit of their mind" and consider Peter's teaching. Men are free to lash out at me, Jesus said it would be this way, and I really don't care. And God knows I don't like being corrected either in the moment, but have grown to be thankful for the correction, once I get control of my flesh. It's more important to me personally that men consider the Scriptures and maybe by discussing them we can grow in the knowledge of the Lord.

"Nobody has ever been able to keep the law anyway",

God Word seem to contradict this in my understanding. While every man has sinned, there are those who "repented", Turned to God", and brought forth "works worthy of repentance", as Paul teaches both Jew and Gentile. If men are interested in finding out who God said obeyed Him, I am happy to provide for them several people who God's Word Itself, Glorified to the point that everyone, who has ever had a Bible, knows that they were Faithful obedient servants to God. How many men who died in Sodom, do we know the names of? Not One, Yes? But we do know about Abraham whose SEED was blessed by God Himself, as God Said "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Why would a person want to demean these most Faithful men by preaching to others that they, or their faithful obedience to God never existed, and in the process, accuse God of Lying about them?

God gave us the commandments to show us that nobody could keep any of them"

I would really be interested in the source of this teaching, because I know that the Holy Scriptures, nor the God who inspired them, nor Moses and the Prophets HE sent, nor His Son Jesus, nor any of His Apostles ever said that God gave His People Laws, to show them they couldn't keep them, which means both HE lied to men when HE told them they could keep them, and yet God killed them by the thousands when they didn't keep them. I would advocate really "Taking heed" of a religious sect or business that promoted such a philosophy, given what is actually written in Scriptures.

We are all born into a world in which religious deceivers exist "that Profess to know God". Just as Eve was placed in the same world.

I advocate that men "come out of her" and follow the Christ "of the bible", and become a "Doer of His Sayings" and not a hearer only.

But it seems like a very controversial position to take, in this world God placed me in.
 
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