Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[jonojim1337]

You added the word Sabbath in this rest, when God's Word did not. The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke23:56 Christ rest we enter through faith and obedience, those with disobedience never entered His rest Heb4:6 which I showed by Scripture Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath why we are told not to follow in that same path of disobedience Heb4:11to enter into ours Rev22:14

The path of disobedience is denying Christ. Which is what the Jews were/are doing. They were keeping the shadow of the Law, not the commandments of God, which is faith in Christ.

Christ is mentioned in the first chapters of the Bible. There has never been a time when Christ was not preached. Paul is making this painstakingly clear. They perished because of lack of faith in Christ.

 

[Hentenza]

Trying to interpret Hebrews 4 from a NT perspective one will get totally lost and come to the wrong conclusion.

Trying to interpret Heb. 4 reading your pet doctrine into it will lead you to the wrong conclusion.

 

[jonojim1337]

And no I didn’t add anything. You wrote yourself:

Heb 4: 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

When did God enter His rest? On the seventh day. When do we enter the same rest? On the acceptable day of the Lord.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The path of disobedience is denying Christ. Which is what the Jews were/are doing. They were keeping the shadow of the Law, not the commandments of God, which is faith in Christ.

Christ is mentioned in the first chapters of the Bible. There has never been a time when Christ was not preached. Paul is making this painstakingly clear. They perished because of lack of faith in Christ.

Disobedience is breaking the commandments and sinning1John3:4 James2:11- anyone can say Lord Lord Mat7:21-23 Luke6:46-48 but our actions shows if our faith is genuine or not.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And no I didn’t add anything. You wrote yourself:

Heb 4: 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

When did God enter His rest? On the seventh day. When do we enter the same rest? On the acceptable day of the Lord.

It doesn;t say "God entered His rest" on the seventh day, it says “he” who has enter God’s rest also ceased from his works as God did on the seventh day. Lets not add whats not there

 

[jonojim1337]

Disobedience is breaking the commandments- anyone can say Lord Lord Mat7:21-23

Ah yes, did we not do many marvellous works in your name?

 

[jonojim1337]

It doesn;t say "God entered His rest" on the seventh day. It says God ceased from His works on the seventh day. Lets not add whats not there

That’s exactly the same Ceasing from work is taking a rest

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That’s exactly the same Ceasing from work is taking a rest

Its two different meanings in God's rest there is no disobedience, just peace Isa48:18 why those enter do so by faith and they obey God. Heb4:2,6

Those who enter also (means they are doing something in addition) they also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11

But believe as you wish. All I am doing is trying to help with the warning in this passage is trying to tell us, if one wishes not to hear it Heb3:7-19 Psa95:7-14 like those who came before us we are told not to follow Heb4:11, well that will get sorted out in God's time.

 

[jonojim1337]

Its two different meanings in God's rest there is no disobedience, just peace Isa48:18 why those enter do so by faith and they obey God. Heb4:2,6

Those who enter also (means they are doing something in addition) they also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:8-11

There is only one prerequisite on how we enter the rest. If you enter the rest, you also cease from the works

But believe as you wish. All I am doing is trying to help with the warning in this passage is trying to tell us, if one wishes not to hear it Heb3:7-19 Psa95:7-14 like those who came before us we are told not to follow Heb4:11, well that will get sorted out in God's time.

I’m telling you, the commandment is to have faith in Christ as Lord of lords and King of kings. This is how we enter God’s rest - the Seventh day on which he rested. If you keep the commandments of the Law and miss this part, you are, basically, committing idolatry and defiling the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I’m telling you,

Thanks, but I am going to stick with what He said.

 

[jonojim1337]

So here is a puzzle for you:

In what day did the thief on the cross enter paradise? Christ clearly said, “today”, and yet, it was the day before the Sabbath. Or was it? Did the women who came after enter the Sabbath by their works, or by their faith? Will their works count to them as righteousness, or their faith?

 

[Dan1988]

Well there you go then. You don't need Jesus or His Warnings or Peter's teaching, as you are already there, based on your own words. JW's also teach the same about themselves. Calvinists too. And Catholics, and Mormons and SDA. All claiming they live by the one true gospel and are members of the only true church as they compete against one another for contributing members.

For me, I still need Jesus and I still need His Instruction and His warnings, and the Teaching HE gave me through His Prophets and Apostles, because I am a corruptible human, surrounded by an evil world that "professes to know God" but are disobedient to Him.

"Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

It might be prudent to remind you that the "Very Elect" takes Heed of the "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, that they are not deceived. You promoted this to SB. "We can only obey after we are born again and receive the Holy Spirit, and it is the Holy Spirit who leads us and enables us to obey."

Peter, in my understanding, wasn't deceived when the Spirit of Christ had him write down the Words I posted, that you refused to even to acknowledge.

You seem to have your reward. Good for you. I'm still seeking it.

That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him. I would only need Him if I didn't already have Him. I don't need Peters teachings, because I already know what He taught.

I'm very much aware of the fact that the majority o professing Christians reject the awful truth of the gospel. And I already know they are in for a horrible shock on judgement day.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying "I still need Jesus and His instructions and warnings". I don't know of anyone who claimed we no longer need Him. Salvation is not a one time deal and then we run off to live your best lives now.

How on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that "If" means "it is"??? your theology is riddled with inconsistencies. The Lord said "if it were possible" meaning that it's not possible but you twist it to mean that it's not only possible but probable and that is twisting Gods Word upside down.

You reckon, your seeking, but God's Word tells us >>> Romans 3:10-12 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one".

As you can see, Gods Word states there are none who seek, but you reckon that's not right because you're actively seeking.

 

[Jerry N.]

There is only one prerequisite on how we enter the rest. If you enter the rest, you also cease from the works

You keep conflating works of the Law and physical and economic labor. You are also conflating resting in God’s salvation and resting from labor. This was pointed out before. You are also missing the idea in Exodus that the Israelites were freed from the yoke of slavery in Egypt. Resting from labor is a sign of that freedom. If you are a slave to your employer and forced to work on Saturday, or if you are a slave to debt (bonded laborer), you may have to work on Saturday, but you are not free.

 

[JulieB67]

What is that rest? The same one talked about at the beginning of the chapter which is the believer’s rest not the sabbath rest.

True

Remember that when the Bible was written there were no chapters or verse numbers so you have to read the reason for the conclusion in what is now chapter 4 by following the thread from chapter 3.

Exactly