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Why there is no clear mention of trinity in the old testament?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by Godistruth1, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. gadar perets

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    You are giving me the traditions of men. Such a division is not found in Scripture.
     
  2. David Neos

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    Sola Scriptura is a tradition of men
     
  3. Al Masihi

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    You’d have to prove to me that Sola Scriptura is infact something the early Church or even Judaism teaches.
     
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  4. gadar perets

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    So, in other words, we can allow perverted pedophiles and wicked men to form our doctrines out of their perverted minds?

    Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

    Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
    Of course, the perverted, wicked men you build your traditions and doctrines on have changed the law (Torah) and the testimony (the Ten Commandments). There is no light in them. Their darkness continues to pervade the Catholic Church. Even to this day they continue their perverted, wicked, pedophile ways.
     
  5. gadar perets

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    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    I'm glad you recognize that the "early Church" taught that "Sola Scriptura is intact". It was the later perverted church that rejected Sola Scriptura so they could foist their false doctrines upon naive people.
     
  6. A_Thinker

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    God is one ... like the US is one ... like GM is one ... like my wife and I are one.

    Genesis 2:24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

    Trinity is an attempt to understand the nature of God.

    Fortunately, our relationship with God is not dependent upon our complete understanding of His far more advanced nature.

    That knowledge only BEGINS to be unveiled in the Old Testament, and, is subsequently developed, as are other themes in the Bible.

    Genesis 1:26 And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness;

    Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
     
  7. A_Thinker

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    God is One what ?
     
  8. A_Thinker

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    Why would He ?

    Is the perfect/complete knowledge of God's manifestation necessary for relationship with Him ?
     
  9. A_Thinker

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    Jesus said ... "My Father and I are One."
     
  10. A_Thinker

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    Jesus said "My Father and I are One."

    How does that work ?
     
  11. A_Thinker

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    You are trying to use LOGIC to understand an unfathomable Being ...
     
  12. A_Thinker

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    John 1

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
     
  13. A_Thinker

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    The New Testament does say that EACH is GOD ...

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. 2 And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.
     
  14. A_Thinker

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    One Deity = One Godhead = All that is God
     
  15. A_Thinker

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    Do you believe anything which has not been written ???
     
  16. A_Thinker

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    Not biblically.

    John 1 say that the WORD was WITH GOD ... and WAS GOD.
     
  17. A_Thinker

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    Nonsense.

    I am equal (in being) to my father, ... and yet I am subject to him ...
     
  18. Al Masihi

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    I meant to say infact, and the verse you quoted doesn’t prove Sola Scriptura which literally means by scripture alone, where does the verse say that we are to look only to scripture as an authority on faith. I don’t even understand how Protestants or those that hold to Sola Scriptura can even use this verse when it contains nothing that indicates the doctrine of using scripture alone as an authority on faith. If the early church held to using scripture alone then you’d have to produce a single statement from any of the early Church Fathers or early Christians confirming the doctrine. Even traditional Judaism historically never accepted the concept of using scripture alone.
     
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  19. Al Masihi

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    What does pedophilia in the Catholic Church have to do with this discussion? As if other religious groups never get problems like pedophilia. The Catholic Church gave you the whole New Testament and the Catholic Church was and is the first and only Church Christ founded. The early Christians referred to themselves as Catholics aswell. So I’m sorry what did the Catholic Church change in the Torah and Ten Commandments?
     
  20. David Neos

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    I'm not Catholic, and what a pity you ran out of arguments so you need to insult.
     
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